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Animal Welfare Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 23 May 2006, in the House of Lords.
Animal Welfare Bill. Lords Committee stage first day. Grand Committee off the floor of the House (Moses Room). Clauses 1 to 7 agreed to, clauses 6 and 7 agreed to as amended.

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Reference

682 c145-200GC 

Session

2005-06

Department

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Animal Welfare Bill . Brought from Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 88-EN also published.
Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Duke of Montrose | 682 c200GC (Link to this contribution) It is certainly helpful to have this provision added to Clause 7 on the administration of poisons. T...
Baroness Byford | 682 c198GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend comes back on this, perhaps I may make a few comments. The Minister said that...

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Lord Rooker | 682 c198GC (Link to this contribution) That is perfectly correct. I did not mention Crufts but that is what I intended when I referred to t...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c166GC (Link to this contribution) I thank Members of the Committee who have spoken and given very good examples; I also thank the Mini...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c157GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to do so, because I am advised, sotto voce, that it is any person who is deemed compete...
Lord Inglewood | 682 c184GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I will not bore your Lordships with the story of my dog, Prospero. About six weeks to tw...
Earl Peel | 682 c172GC (Link to this contribution) Clearly this is a very emotive issue. On principle I find it fairly unattractive when I see what I r...
Lord Rooker | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that it would be perfectly possible but it is our wish that the microchipping should be...
Lord Rooker | 682 c200GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 25 to 30:"Page 4, line 34, after ““appropriate”” insert ““national””""Page 4, ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c200GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23:"Page 4, line 16, leave out ““under this section”” and insert ““by the approp...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 20:"Page 4, line 2, after ““that”” insert ““...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c200GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 31:"Page 5, line 9, after ““or”” insert ““reasonable””" The noble Baroness said...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c197-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I shall be very interested to find out the outcome of ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c198GC (Link to this contribution) As I said, I will endeavour to find out. I am looking through my notes and I cannot find anything on...
Baroness Byford | 682 c198GC (Link to this contribution) But I think that even within Crufts there are field trials which, while not held out in a field, are...
Lord Rooker | 682 c191-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Duke for his points. Now that he has caught up with it, I hope all noble ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c192GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16:"After Clause 5, insert the following new clause—" ““CRUEL OPERATIONS (1)  ...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c193-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17:"Page 3, line 41, leave out subsections (3) to (6)." The noble Lord said: I ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c192-3GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is quite right. As long ago as July 2004 the draft Animal Welfare Bill contained ...
Baroness Byford | 682 c195GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to take up some of the matters that have been raised by noble Lords so far. I shall exp...
Lord Lucas | 682 c194GC (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as the owner of two terriers, both of which have docked tails. I am very inter...
Countess of Mar | 682 c163GC (Link to this contribution) On the second argument put forward by the noble Baroness in support of her amendment, she spoke of p...
Lord Lucas | 682 c163GC (Link to this contribution) I have a few amendments in this group. Amendments Nos. 7 and 8 would insert the word ““substantially...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c156GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment of the noble Baroness raises an interesting thought. For example, when under-16s for s...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c157GC (Link to this contribution) I will certainly consider that. I should imagine that the question of competence and the ability to ...
Countess of Mar | 682 c157GC (Link to this contribution) While the Minister is considering this subject, will she think about a bird that is injured? Does so...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c155GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 2 agreed to. [Amend...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c154GC (Link to this contribution) How would it be covered by ““abandonment”” if the Act is being repealed? Perhaps we can address this...
Lord Rooker | 682 c154-5GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. The matter is covered in later clauses of the Bill. At the point when someone has gathered up t...
Lord Lucas | 682 c155GC (Link to this contribution) I would appreciate a clear statement of the Government’s policy on mouse papers. I regard them as a ...
Earl Peel | 682 c153-4GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may seek clarification from the Minister. My noble friend the Duke of Montrose made refere...
Lord Rooker | 682 c153GC (Link to this contribution) On the last point, I think that the answer is yes, bearing in mind what I have just read out. In tho...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c152GC (Link to this contribution) We have opened up a very interesting topic. As the Minister says, it goes into realms that are very ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 682 c188-9GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Committee if I rushed in where angels had not quite got around to treading, and w...
Baroness Byford | 682 c187-8GC (Link to this contribution) My amendment is linked to the amendment we have been debating. I hope it may be of help to the Commi...
Baroness Byford | 682 c179GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for clarifying the position of foreign circuses visiting the United Ki...
Lord Kirkhill | 682 c178GC (Link to this contribution) A circus trainer—that was my statement. Every circus trainer has admitted in his autobiography that ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c180GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness withdraws the amendment, I have received a note, and the sooner that somet...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c180-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14:"After Clause 4, insert the following new clause—" ““ELECTRIC COLLARS (1)  ...
Baroness Byford | 682 c173GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may come back before the Minister rises to speak. I well appreciate that my description of...
Earl Peel | 682 c178GC (Link to this contribution) The remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhill, should be qualified. I cannot accept that the tra...
Lord Rooker | 682 c178GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, and this is a point of principle. Any arguments I have about a better environment, better welfa...
Lord Kirkhill | 682 c168GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment of the noble Baroness; indeed, I have put my name to it. As an aside, I am a...
Lord Lucas | 682 c172GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed. What is a circus? I do not know whether there is any definition of it. The noble Baroness, L...
Countess of Mar | 682 c171GC (Link to this contribution) I support what both noble Baronesses and the noble Lord, Lord Soulsby, have said. There are one or t...
Baroness Byford | 682 c169-71GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to speak to Amendment No. 13. Amendment No. 12 would provide a total ban on animals pe...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c147-8GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have spoken, in particular the noble Lord, Lord Soulsby, for his expert ...
Baroness Byford | 682 c147GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness comes back on that, perhaps I can ask the Minister whether the Government ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c147GC (Link to this contribution) I fully accept that. They are just not amendable once they are up for debate. The important stage is...
Lord Rooker | 682 c146-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for bringing forward the amendment. I think that I can satisfy t...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c145GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 19, at end insert—" ““(   )   Before making regulations under ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19:"Page 4, line 2, after ““certified”” insert ““, in accordance with regulation...
Lord Rooker | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21:"Page 4, line 8, at end insert ““, and" (   )   that it is of a type specif...
Lord Rooker | 682 c200GC (Link to this contribution) I think this is a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until tomorrow at 3.45 pm.
Baroness Byford | 682 c198-9GC (Link to this contribution) I was not suggesting for one moment that people should do so because clearly there are different rol...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) Since we are discussing the question of cross-border problems, I can see that quite an interesting p...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) Having listened to the debate and not wishing to frustrate the will of Parliament, I beg leave to wi...
Lord Rooker | 682 c189-90GC (Link to this contribution) I can be brief, because I basically heard my speech being made almost word for word about 15 minutes...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c190GC (Link to this contribution) I have one quick final point to make to the Minister. I hoped that the study that has been referred ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c193GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and for clearing up the matter. I beg leave to withdraw the amend...
Lord Laird | 682 c194-5GC (Link to this contribution) I have an amendment in this grouping. It is purely a probing amendment, because one of the most emot...
Viscount Ullswater | 682 c194GC (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to, I shall be unable to call Amendment...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c167-8GC (Link to this contribution) I shall try to carry on from where I left off. Circuses raise strong feelings. In the other place, t...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c163-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am interested to note that my noble friend Lord Lucas has raised some of these issues. Here we are...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c166-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 12:"After Clause 4, insert the following new clause—" ““CIRCUS ANIMALS (1)   N...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c158GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5:"Page 2, line 16, at end insert—" ““(   )   For the purposes of this Act, a ...
Baroness Byford | 682 c155-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 2, line 16, at end insert ““, except where the former has only temporary...
Baroness Byford | 682 c157-8GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Lord Lucas | 682 c155GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Bill cover abandoning urban Ministers in the countryside?
Duke of Montrose | 682 c155GC (Link to this contribution) That raises an interesting point about whether we want to put in the Bill the number of days you can...
Lord Rooker | 682 c154GC (Link to this contribution) I will take advice on that. The urban fox probably would not have been under the control of the pers...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c154GC (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister saying that it would amount to abandonment and therefore the matter would be covered...
Earl Peel | 682 c149GC (Link to this contribution) I add my voice to this debate only to reiterate that this is a very difficult problem. I am reminded...
Lord Rooker | 682 c149-52GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Committee. I realise that there is a fine point about the stage at which the an...
Lord Lucas | 682 c149GC (Link to this contribution) In speaking to Amendment No. 3 in this group, I will add to the examples of where it is difficult to...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 682 c182-4GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to oppose this amendment, and do so from long personal experience of training dogs, particula...
Lord Lucas | 682 c184-5GC (Link to this contribution) I have never used an electric shock collar, but I have been through a course of Kennel Club behaviou...
Earl Peel | 682 c185-6GC (Link to this contribution) As I have already stated, I have been involved in the training of spaniels and Labradors for many ye...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c189GC (Link to this contribution) I am not suggesting that citronella is an alternative. I am merely giving an example of some people ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c178-9GC (Link to this contribution) That is what my noble friend said to start with. He referred to autobiographies of circus trainers. ...
Baroness Byford | 682 c180GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness responds, it concerns me—I do not know whether it concerns her—that we are...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c180GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for pointing out the direction of the Government’s thinking. I am not entirely ...
Lord Kirkhill | 682 c177-8GC (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend be willing to give way for just a moment? I do not really accept his basic ten...
Lord Inglewood | 682 c172-3GC (Link to this contribution) I have been listening to this debate. I have no wish to go to a circus to see wild animals performin...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c172GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may clarify that point. I was replying to the reference by the noble Countess to the Spani...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c148-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2:"Page 2, line 6, at end insert ““, or" (   )   it is not a fox, rat, or any ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c200GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32:"Page 5, line 16, after ““or”” insert ““reasonable””" On Question, amendment...
Lord Rooker | 682 c198GC (Link to this contribution) I have never had the privilege of going to Crufts. I understand that working dogs take part but basi...
Baroness Byford | 682 c199GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for allowing me to intervene once more before he withdraws the amen...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c190GC (Link to this contribution) That was a useful debate. I am relieved that the noble Lord, Lord Soulsby, has pulled a rabbit out o...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c190-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15:"Page 3, line 17, leave out subsection (3)." The noble Duke said: The sectio...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c191GC (Link to this contribution) I beg your pardon. It had just not filtered through to me. That would be helpful. The ascription of...
Baroness Byford | 682 c192GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my noble friend that the document was with my papers, not his. I have been through th...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c192GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful that we have moved forward this much. Obviously there is a great deal that we will wis...
Lord Rooker | 682 c196-7GC (Link to this contribution) Long before my little job swap a fortnight ago, like other noble Lords I had a fairly full postbag o...
Earl Peel | 682 c195-6GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that my noble friend’s amendment is a probing amendment, but I make the perhaps obvious...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c196GC (Link to this contribution) I have had my biggest postbag on this subject. I shall not take up the Committee’s time except to sa...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c161-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister and others who have spoken in this debate. However, I am afraid that I am not a...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 6:"Page 2, line 20, after second ““act”” insert ““where such an act can reasonab...
Lord Rooker | 682 c164-6GC (Link to this contribution) The answer to the last question is no, and I shall explain the reasons in a moment. I shall deal fir...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c159-61GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 5 would mean that, once someone had abandoned an animal, they would continue to be leg...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c158-9GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 40 and 44, which are grouped with this amendment. As Members of the...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c156-7GC (Link to this contribution) I have been faced with ferrets as pets and even lugworms—where I drew the line—as pets on their way ...
Baroness Byford | 682 c157GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her response to my amendment. I am not trying to bowl a fast...
Lord Rooker | 682 c155GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord. I had a note saying ““mouse papers””—the snag is, I can’t read it. Mo...
Lord Lucas | 682 c152-3GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Duke sits down, I want to raise a few points with the Minister for clarity. First, ...
Lord Lucas | 682 c149GC (Link to this contribution) Are those goats wild or domestic? What about pheasants that have been released for slaughter? At wha...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c149GC (Link to this contribution) This is a very interesting area of debate. My Amendments Nos. 45 and 46, which we will consider late...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c186GC (Link to this contribution) Despite the comments made by noble Lords on electric collars, or what I prefer to call electronic tr...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c186-7GC (Link to this contribution) As I remember, I was speaking of the research proposal put out by Defra. Only one application had be...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 682 c186GC (Link to this contribution) A Division has been called in the House. The Committee will adjourn for 10 minutes, so I suggest tha...
Lord Rooker | 682 c180GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, but I imagine that a revised regulation will come from the Performing Animals (Regulation) Act....
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c179-80GC (Link to this contribution) First, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhill, very much for adding his name to the amendment and for...
Lord Rooker | 682 c173-4GC (Link to this contribution) Either the noble Earl, Lord Peel, or the noble Lord, Lord Inglewood, said that the Government would ...
Lord Kirkhill | 682 c178GC (Link to this contribution) Just before my noble friend replies, may I say, for clarity, that what I said was that in every publ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c174-7GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. I shall know when my day is done, if it is not done for me. Obviously, the issues were debated...
Lord Rooker | 682 c178GC (Link to this contribution) : I bow to my noble friend’s considerable experience. One can draw a conclusion from that.
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c168-9GC (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, and echo what the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhill, has just sai...
Lord Christopher | 682 c172GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for arriving in the middle of the debate and so I shall confine my few remarks to the am...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c171-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Countess for her question and for giving me the opportunity to spell out exactly w...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c146GC (Link to this contribution) In declaring an interest as a veterinary surgeon and a former president of the Royal College of Vete...
Baroness Byford | 682 c145-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for opening our discussions on the Bill today. We share her conc...
Lord Haskel | 682 c145GC (Link to this contribution) I have to advise noble Lords that if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, this C...

Subjects

Animal welfare
Abuse
Circuses
Dogs
Domestic animals
Game
Protection
Poisons
Wildlife
Electronic training aids
Dog collars

Legislation

Animal Welfare Bill 2005-06

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