Animal Welfare Bill

I support what both noble Baronesses and the noble Lord, Lord Soulsby, have said. There are one or two things that I would like to have cleared up. Can the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, make it clear whether her ban would include horses? For example, would horses from the Spanish Riding School be included in this ban? They are not necessarily circus animals, but they travel around and perform. It is not clear whether the noble Baroness, Lady Byford, seeks to exclude second-generation animals—those that have been bred in the circus—from subsection (3) of her amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord Soulsby, made very clear, we do not understand the physiological and mental aspects of such animals. My feeling is that they retain many of their wild genes, so to speak. The amendment of the noble Baroness does not make it clear whether all wild animals—whether they are bred in captivity or in the wild—will be excluded. It would help if those points could be clarified.