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Terrorism (Detention and Human Rights)

Adjournment debate on Thursday, 7 December 2006, in the House of Commons, led by John Denham. The answering member was Tony McNulty.
Westminster Hall adjournment debate on terrorism legislation and detention periods. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

454 c153-94WH 

Session

2006-07

Department

Home Office

Chamber / Committee

Westminster Hall

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Proceeding contributions

Andrew Dismore | 454 c160-1WH;454 c158-9WH (Link to this contribution) I make no apologies for starting where my right hon. Friend the Member for Southampton, Itchen left ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c161WH;454 c159WH (Link to this contribution) We were certainly given the impression that there would be some form of consolidating legislation, b...

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Andrew Dismore | 454 c161-2WH;454 c159-60WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s comment, because that was the view that we, too, were led to ...
Jeremy Browne | 454 c162WH;454 c160WH (Link to this contribution) In case there is any doubt, I am a member of the Home Affairs Committee. I concur with the overwhelm...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c162-5WH;454 c160-3WH (Link to this contribution) I certainly understand the hon. Gentleman’s position, which I suspect is shared by many. However, th...
John Denham | 454 c158-60WH;454 c156-8WH (Link to this contribution) The difference is a matter of degree or judgment. Despite the appalling atrocities committed during ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c160WH;454 c158WH (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the opportunity to follow my right hon. Friend the Member for Southampton, Itch...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c155WH;454 c153WH (Link to this contribution) Returning to my earlier intervention, that situation coloured the entire debate because it was obvio...
John Denham | 454 c154-5WH;454 c152-3WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The truth is that there was no opportunity to engage in a seriou...
Baroness Featherstone | 454 c155WH;454 c153WH (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it was almost impossible for the House to condone the evide...
John Denham | 454 c155WH;454 c153WH (Link to this contribution) Let us remind ourselves that the written material that had been submitted to the Government when the...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c157WH;454 c155WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way so frequently, because it helps in this set...
John Denham | 454 c155-7WH;454 c153-5WH (Link to this contribution) One thing that was unsatisfactory about the process was that when the Committee was able to look in ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c157WH;454 c155WH (Link to this contribution) May I make this suggestion, which I shall develop in my comments? The truth is that an investigating...
John Denham | 454 c157WH;454 c155WH (Link to this contribution) I do not want to put too many words into the mouths of my Committee members, who did not necessarily...
Patrick Mercer | 454 c158WH;454 c156WH (Link to this contribution) I am listening with great interest to the right hon. Gentleman’s comments and entirely take the poin...
John Denham | 454 c157-8WH;454 c155-6WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right: there is a danger of getting hung up on language. The Joint Committee d...
John Denham | 454 c154WH;454 c152WH (Link to this contribution) I welcome the hon. Gentleman’s comments. My immediate conclusion is that with new terrorism legisla...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c153WH;454 c151WH (Link to this contribution) I hugely welcome the reports from both the Home Affairs Committee, which the right hon. Gentleman ch...
John Denham | 454 c153WH;454 c151WH (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to open the debate and I am grateful that the relevant authorities agreed that both S...
David Winnick | 454 c154WH;454 c152WH (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend recall that Lord Carlile gave useful evidence to the Committee? We asked h...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c184-5WH;454 c182-3WH (Link to this contribution) That is always a risk, and I am sure that those who charge people are always mindful of the problems...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c185WH;454 c183WH (Link to this contribution) When we went to France and Spain, I had an open mind but was probably slightly in favour of importin...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c184WH;454 c182WH (Link to this contribution) I understand the point perfectly, but police investigating an alleged terrorist plot may well go to ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c184WH;454 c182WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that clarification, because it was one of the points that I ...
Patrick Mercer | 454 c188WH;454 c186WH (Link to this contribution) It has been under active consideration for ever. The Minister and I have been having these discussio...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c185-6WH;454 c183-4WH (Link to this contribution) I understood that from reading the report. The French system may provide greater flexibility, but it...
Tony McNulty | 454 c186-8WH;454 c184-6WH (Link to this contribution) The Government welcome both reports. They are studied and well informed and offer a lot of food for ...
John Denham | 454 c183-4WH;454 c181-2WH (Link to this contribution) Our Committee’s view was that if one could charge someone with acts preparatory to terrorism under t...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c183WH;454 c181WH (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the right hon. Gentleman first, because he rose marginally more quickly than the...
Baroness Featherstone | 454 c176-9WH;454 c174-7WH (Link to this contribution) I see the Minister shaking his head, but that probably was an accidental and not very brilliant exam...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c179-81WH;454 c177-9WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to take part in the debate and I welcome the opportunity to discuss the reports. I ...
John Denham | 454 c181WH;454 c179WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes some important points. Will he acknowledge that one of the difficulties is ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c181-2WH;454 c179-80WH (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely. In fairness, I do not know the circumstances in which the Chancellor said what he ...
John Denham | 454 c182WH;454 c180WH (Link to this contribution) I shall try to make this my last intervention. The hon. Gentleman needs to explore a possible contra...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c182-3WH;454 c180-1WH (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a good point. One of the problems in the debate on control orders was...
Baroness Featherstone | 454 c176WH;454 c174WH (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that helpful clarification. I turn now to the general subject ...
John Denham | 454 c175-6WH;454 c173-4WH (Link to this contribution) Having read the report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights that came out after ours, it is impo...
Baroness Featherstone | 454 c175WH;454 c173WH (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to speak in this debate on two such excellent reports. Terrorist attacks involve gross...
Patrick Mercer | 454 c171-2WH;454 c169-70WH (Link to this contribution) That intervention is well made, I am sure. I have no doubt that better trained legal minds than mine...
David Winnick | 454 c172-5WH;454 c170-2WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Newark (Patrick Mercer) certainly has more extensive and recent military experie...
Patrick Mercer | 454 c168-71WH;454 c166-9WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore), and I thank him for the report ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c171WH;454 c169WH (Link to this contribution) The key difference between the two reports is that the Joint Committee on Human Rights particularly ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c166WH;454 c164WH (Link to this contribution) I, too, look forward to some clarification from the Minister on this point. I think that one reason ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c166-8WH;454 c164-6WH (Link to this contribution) I also suspect that many of those who were involved in the debate did not have a chance to research ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c165-6WH;454 c163-4WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister will respond later. I suppose that my right hon. Friend was echoing the Home Secretary...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c165WH;454 c163WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Minister shakes his head. I do not know whether he wishes to make an intervention...
Charlotte Atkins | 454 c194WH;454 (Not in Bound Volume) (Link to this contribution) It is on the subject that the hon. Gentleman is talking about.
Stephen O'Brien | 454 c194WH;454 (Not in Bound Volume) (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has already made her point in trying to defend the current management.
Dominic Grieve | 454 c191WH;454 c189WH (Link to this contribution) I do not want to fall out with the Minister in the course of a pleasant and useful debate. We examin...
Tony McNulty | 454 c191-2WH;454 c189-90WH (Link to this contribution) Again, I shall not go down there. We could revisit that, but we are not going to listen and do thing...
John Denham | 454 c192WH;454 c190WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister and want to put it on the record that I understand from my experience ...
Tony McNulty | 454 c192WH;454 c190WH (Link to this contribution) I am sure that that is entirely right and proper of the Committee. Were that to be the case, we woul...
Tony McNulty | 454 c190-1WH;454 c188-9WH (Link to this contribution) As I have tried to make clear throughout our debate, Government policy is being determined as we spe...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c192WH;454 c190WH (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the Minister is saying that he will come straight back with a Bill, or that th...
Tony McNulty | 454 c192-4WH;454 c190-2WH (Link to this contribution) I am saying candidly and honestly that I do not know. We are more than three quarters of the way int...
Tony McNulty | 454 c189WH;454 c187WH (Link to this contribution) I did, and I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s comments. I cannot be sure, but the review might ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c189-90WH;454 c188WH (Link to this contribution) I may want to come back to the Minister on the threshold charge when he has finished his remarks on ...
Tony McNulty | 454 c188-9WH;454 c186-7WH (Link to this contribution) As I said, as soon as possible, I hope. I do not have the whole timetable to hand, nor in my head, b...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c189WH;454 c187WH (Link to this contribution) I would assume that the inference post-charge is exactly that which currently exists pre-charge. I w...
Tony McNulty | 454 c190WH;454 c188WH (Link to this contribution) I was shaking my head because, with no disrespect to my hon. Friend, it is not for me to tell this C...
David Winnick | 454 c190WH;454 c188WH (Link to this contribution) I do not know why the Minister is shaking his head in dismissal. The Attorney did make remarks, and ...
David Winnick | 454 c190WH;454 c188WH (Link to this contribution) If, when the Attorney-General made his remarks that he has not seen any evidence—
Tony McNulty | 454 c190WH;454 c188WH (Link to this contribution) I accept that, as it is precisely the point on which I was congratulating my hon. Friend’s Committee...

Subjects

Detainees
Human rights
Terrorism

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