Offender Management Bill. Report stage. New Clauses 8, 9, 10 debated and agreed to. New Clause 2 debated and negatived. New Clause 11, discussed with Government New Clause 12 and New Clause 3, agreed to. Amendment to New Clause 11 negatived on division. New Clause 4, discussed with New Clause 7, debated and withdrawn. Third Reading debate. Agreed to on division (293 votes to 268). Bill passed.
Offender Management Bill
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 28 February 2007,
in the House of Commons,
led by Lord Reid of Cardowan.
The answering
member was David Davis.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
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Proceeding contributions
John Denham | 457 c977 (Link to this contribution)
It is certainly arguable that it would have been better if, over the past four or five years, that p...
David Howarth | 457 c977 (Link to this contribution)
May I take the right hon. Gentleman back to what he said about the ability of the Secretary of State...
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John Denham | 457 c977 (Link to this contribution)
I think that Ministers’ ability to influence what happens at local level should be stronger than it ...
John McDonnell | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Martin Salter | 457 c975 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend understates the case. If the press reports are true, not only do Ministers change, bu...
Chris Mullin | 457 c975 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that piece of information, of which I was not aware. I look forw...
John Denham | 457 c975-6 (Link to this contribution)
As other hon. Members have done, I wish to make it clear that even those of us who believe that ther...
Patrick Hall | 457 c976-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my right hon. Friend will be aware that section 10 of the Criminal Justice and Court ...
John Denham | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
If I may, I should like to make a little progress before I give way to my hon. Friend.
In my view, ...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c972 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
David Heath | 457 c972-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister nods, and I am grateful to him for doing so. Such respect was not immediately obvious w...
David Heath | 457 c972 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right and I shall return to that issue in a moment, if I may. The i...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c973 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is just plain wrong. He said that the existing system has its weaknesses and need...
David Heath | 457 c973 (Link to this contribution)
If that is the Minister’s intention, he is going a very funny way about it. He conceded earlier that...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c973 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Heath | 457 c973 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is going to correct me—I hope.
Chris Mullin | 457 c974-5 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Walthamstow (Mr. Gerrard). I have no...
David Drew | 457 c973 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry that I was not present earlier. My main worry is accountability. Like the hon. Gentleman,...
David Heath | 457 c973-4 (Link to this contribution)
I could not agree more with the hon. Gentleman. My worry is that this Government’s general movement ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Does my hon. Friend support a partnership between Rainer and Serco...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c968 (Link to this contribution)
Some of us have said throughout the debate that we would like more partnership and co-operative work...
John Denham | 457 c968 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps my hon. Friend is going to cover this point, but the letter from Rainer that I have in front...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c968-70 (Link to this contribution)
Rainer obviously has concerns about accountability and local partnerships, which it believes have be...
Ian Lucas | 457 c970 (Link to this contribution)
I have a concern about my hon. Friend’s amendment No. 2. It says that the Secretary of State can mak...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c970 (Link to this contribution)
I have had that point put to me before. I am unsure whether I accept that it is true, because I thin...
John McDonnell | 457 c970 (Link to this contribution)
The basis of my hon. Friend’s amendment is a reflection of the spirit of the system that has been de...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c970-1 (Link to this contribution)
That is certainly the intention. It is important that we keep that localism if we possibly can. If t...
David Heath | 457 c971 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Mr. Gerrard), who will have our support ...
Martin Salter | 457 c971-2 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that some of the voluntary sector providers prayed in aid in support of ...
Mike Penning | 457 c943 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is straying off the point.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c943 (Link to this contribution)
I take the point that the hon. Gentleman makes, but it is important that we look at the context.
Me...
Mike Penning | 457 c941-2 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the House and to the Minister for being late and for missing the Minister’s opening r...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c942-3 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the contributors to this debate, which is on an important subject that we spent some time di...
James Brokenshire | 457 c944 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has just indicated that he is minded to consider a requirement on offenders to report t...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c944-5 (Link to this contribution)
I do—if that were the only condition or the only requirement. The hon. Gentleman touches on a point ...
Mike Penning | 457 c943 (Link to this contribution)
If someone changes their name because they want to hide their identity, they are then the missing pe...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c944 (Link to this contribution)
That leads me on to the issue that the hon. Member for Hornchurch raised about what we are doing to ...
Ian Lucas | 457 c941 (Link to this contribution)
Subsection (2)(b) of new clause 8 refers to the bar on the use of a polygraph test on anyone under t...
David Heath | 457 c940-1 (Link to this contribution)
May I first pay tribute to my hon. Friends the Members for Cheadle (Mark Hunter) and for Ceredigion ...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c939 (Link to this contribution)
I am trying to argue the case for moving in the direction of the new clause rather than some of the ...
Lord Garnier | 457 c947 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 457 c947 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 4, in clause 2, page 3, lin...
Lord Garnier | 457 c947-9 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Mr. Gerrard) on his work to bring about the previous...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c949 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. and learned Gentleman explain why the Local Government Association, which has Conserva...
Lord Garnier | 457 c949 (Link to this contribution)
That is to elide a huge amount of concern within the LGA. It does not support the principles. For ex...
David Heath | 457 c949 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. and learned Gentleman interpret the Minister’s intervention as an intention to accept ...
Lord Garnier | 457 c949-50 (Link to this contribution)
I do not dare try to interpret what goes on in the Minister’s mind, but he will no doubt let us know...
Elfyn Llwyd | 457 c950 (Link to this contribution)
A captive audience.
Lord Garnier | 457 c950-1 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. The Home Secretary gave the probation service a premeditated kicking in front of the very au...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c945 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that that will be possible. The hon. Gentleman knows that there is a qualification about such...
David Heath | 457 c945 (Link to this contribution)
Will the codes of conduct be laid before the House and will they have the same authority as codes su...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c934-6 (Link to this contribution)
This important group of amendments flows from our proceedings in Committee. Protecting the public fr...
James Brokenshire | 457 c936-8 (Link to this contribution)
These proposals give us the opportunity to debate the important issue of child protection and to ens...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c938-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for tabling the new clauses. As he knows, I raised this issue in Committee and ...
Speaker | 457 c939 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Perhaps it would help if the hon. Gentleman mentioned polygraphs now and again.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c933 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 457 c933 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Government new clause 9—Effect of polygra...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c962-3 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make progress, as I am mindful of the time. I want to explain why we disagree with my hon. F...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c962 (Link to this contribution)
The simple answer is no. If that work is being carried out successfully by that probation board, it ...
David Lepper | 457 c962 (Link to this contribution)
I take my hon. Friend’s point. In my area, the Sussex probation area, the probation service works wi...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c962 (Link to this contribution)
I anticipate my hon. Friend asking me to give way. I will give way and then get back to the main bod...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c964 (Link to this contribution)
That is a response to the requests for us to listen to definitions of core probation functions. Ther...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c962 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill is necessary to change the existing culture. It is important that we tackle reoffending. We...
Chris Mullin | 457 c961 (Link to this contribution)
No sensible person is against the charitable sector being involved in the provision of those service...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c961 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, who chairs the Home Affairs Committee, for the work that he d...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
That point goes to the heart of what the Government are trying to achieve. My hon. Friend will be aw...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
That must be a concern. The issue was discussed at some length in Committee, and the Minister will n...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
I want to press my hon. Friend on this point, as it goes to the core of the issue. I do not share hi...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
Rainer is an excellent example of an organisation that does good work. It has been saying this week,...
Speaker | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I appreciate that the Minister is answering a question that has come from the Back Benches, b...
Lord Garnier | 457 c964-6 (Link to this contribution)
As before, I will endeavour to be brief because amendments other than mine may command greater publi...
Tom Levitt | 457 c966 (Link to this contribution)
Does not my hon. Friend accept that the quality of the contracts and tendering documents written wil...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c966 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to have the opportunity to speak in this debate. I had anticipated that I would speak ...
Patrick Hall | 457 c967 (Link to this contribution)
In relation to the scenario that my hon. Friend has just described, does he share my concern about t...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c966-7 (Link to this contribution)
I would have more confidence about the contracts if I felt that there was any chance that I might be...
Diana Johnson | 457 c957 (Link to this contribution)
Without wishing to be too prescriptive, would it be appropriate for the leader of the council or a c...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c957 (Link to this contribution)
I expect that the trust will need magistrates and councillors’ skills and expertise, so we are not s...
David Heath | 457 c957 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister did not say that at the time.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c957 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention, and I will touch on her point shortly, so I h...
Judy Mallaber | 457 c956-7 (Link to this contribution)
How far can my hon. Friend assure me that if an agreement is drawn up between all the representative...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c955-6 (Link to this contribution)
I once again thank hon. Members for their contributions; they have been consistent in their views, b...
Elfyn Llwyd | 457 c954-5 (Link to this contribution)
A consensus is developing on this part of the Bill. Running through the amendments is a thread to do...
David Heath | 457 c952-4 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, am mindful of the time and of the need to allow the hon. Member for Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (...
David Kidney | 457 c952 (Link to this contribution)
I was not fishing for a compliment, but it is nice of my hon. Friend to give it.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c952 (Link to this contribution)
Mindful of the time, I give my hon. Friend that assurance. In Committee, he said that we ought to ha...
David Kidney | 457 c951-2 (Link to this contribution)
One of the proclaimed important aims of the Bill is to establish the end-to-end management of senten...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c960-1 (Link to this contribution)
If my hon. Friend read the Committee proceedings, he will know that the issue was raised then. We in...
Gordon Prentice | 457 c960 (Link to this contribution)
I have a briefing from the Probation Boards Association, which refers to the regulatory impact asses...
John Denham | 457 c961 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend just said rather quickly, in passing, that he was mindful of concern about the pace o...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c959 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Lord Garnier | 457 c958 (Link to this contribution)
What the Minister said was interesting. From time to time, the Government need the spur of a Divisio...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c959-60 (Link to this contribution)
The new clauses and amendments give rise to some key issues. The aim of the Bill is to improve the d...
Speaker | 457 c959 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment (a) to the proposed new clause,...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c958 (Link to this contribution)
It is worth considering that point. In my constituency, West Yorkshire probation service covers an a...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c958 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the Opposition do not press their amendments in the light of what I have said about acce...
David Heath | 457 c958 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his positive approach to my amendment, and we look forward to amen...
David Heath | 457 c1029-30 (Link to this contribution)
I start by thanking the Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, the hon. Member for Bradfo...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1030 (Link to this contribution)
I well remember a story about how Winston Churchill sat in the gardens of No. 10, dictating to his s...
Stephen Pound | 457 c1030 (Link to this contribution)
Like me, my hon. Friend will have listened with great interest to the contribution of the hon. Membe...
David Drew | 457 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
John Grogan | 457 c1025 (Link to this contribution)
May I bring my right hon. Friend back to his comments about regional offender managers? He said that...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1025-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is not being entirely fair. First, I have said that we will have elected local counci...
David Davis | 457 c1026-7 (Link to this contribution)
I start by agreeing with the Home Secretary on one thing. Like him, I listened to much of the debate...
Chris Mullin | 457 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
The outgoing head.
David Davis | 457 c1028-9 (Link to this contribution)
No doubt he is outgoing, now. He said:"““It centralises everything on the Home Office and removes re...
John McDonnell | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
I want to get this matter clear, for the record. My right hon. Friend says that we need a discussion...
John Denham | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way first to my hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell), and t...
John McDonnell | 457 c978-9 (Link to this contribution)
The consultation the Government undertook was not just with public sector providers; it was with the...
John McDonnell | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend allow me to come back on that point?
John Denham | 457 c978 (Link to this contribution)
As I think my hon. Friend will acknowledge, I have been a fairly persistent critic in the House and ...
Tom Levitt | 457 c985-6 (Link to this contribution)
Over the past few weeks, my position has moved from that on Second Reading, when, as a loyal Labour ...
David Lepper | 457 c986 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Patrick Hall | 457 c980-3 (Link to this contribution)
I rise in support of amendments Nos. 1 and 2 and amendment (a) to new clause 11, which were tabled b...
Judy Mallaber | 457 c983-5 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that my hon. Friend the Minister has listened to concerns, specifically on local accoun...
Martin Salter | 457 c980 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is making a most helpful contribution. Does he agree that our hon. Friend the M...
John Denham | 457 c980 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome my hon. Friend’s comments. There is a huge difference between saying that 10 per cent. of ...
John Denham | 457 c979-80 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. The result of the process will be that many years down the line the greates...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c979 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is dealing with a point that is of concern to all colleagues—the issue of how much sh...
John Denham | 457 c979 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that we need a Bill, because although there are challenges—to say the least—in respect of ...
Lord Garnier | 457 c979 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to the comments of the right hon. Gentleman and of the hon. Member for Hay...
John Denham | 457 c979 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, have looked at the Scottish model. I entirely accept that I may be proved wrong, but my judg...
David Heath | 457 c990 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for a door to the Lobby to be shut and for...
Kerry McCarthy | 457 c993 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 457 c993-4 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
New clause 7— Provision of speech therapy...
Kerry McCarthy | 457 c994-5 (Link to this contribution)
My objective in moving the new clause is to enshrine in the Bill assurances that have already been g...
Ian Lucas | 457 c987 (Link to this contribution)
I am to be asked to vote on a particular amendment and my reading of it is as I have described. For ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c987 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the contributions made by hon. Members on both sides of the House, because I know ...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c987 (Link to this contribution)
So it is not the drafting.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c987-90 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Wrexham made the point that if he votes for the amendment on the amend...
Ian Lucas | 457 c986 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to oppose the amendments in the name of my hon. Friend the Member for Walthamstow (Mr. Gerrar...
Tom Levitt | 457 c986 (Link to this contribution)
I will not because I know that others want to speak before the Minister winds up.
The qualitative d...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c986-7 (Link to this contribution)
The wording is not intended to stop any probation trust contracting with a voluntary sector provider...
David Heath | 457 c997-9 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree with the hon. and learned Gentleman. One positive thing to emerge from our debates ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c999 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to Members who have tabled amendments. There have been a number of strands in this sho...
David Heath | 457 c997 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. I have heard him speak with great passion on that subject many times and I ...
Lord Garnier | 457 c997 (Link to this contribution)
In my desire to be speedy, I forgot to say something, and the observations of the hon. Member for Wi...
Kerry McCarthy | 457 c1003 (Link to this contribution)
In light of the assurances that the Minister has given, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.
...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1003 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 12, page 2, line 44, at end insert—
David Heath | 457 c999 (Link to this contribution)
Is the Minister saying that the new framework and the qualifications therein will apply to anyone co...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c999-1003 (Link to this contribution)
At the level of requirement of those skills. The point I am making is that there is no statutory res...
Mark Oaten | 457 c997 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the problem is not only the ability to get people into pri...
David Heath | 457 c996-7 (Link to this contribution)
To follow the point made by the hon. and learned Member for Harborough (Mr. Garnier) on the general ...
Lord Garnier | 457 c995-6 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Bristol, East (Kerry McCarthy), who was a member of the Bill Comm...
David Kidney | 457 c1007-8 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. and learned Member for Harborough (Mr. Garnier) on his success. He raised th...
David Heath | 457 c1009 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a remarkably sapient and valuable episode in our discussions, and I thank the Minister...
Mark Todd | 457 c1009-11 (Link to this contribution)
Briefly, I did not have the privilege of serving on Committee, so I shall rely on local comments tha...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a sapient debate. We have had the opportunity for an in-depth look at the problems fac...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1012 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 13, in page 6, line 39, at end insert—
Speaker | 457 c1012 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments:
No. 21, in page 7, line 2, at ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1012-3 (Link to this contribution)
In Committee, I agreed to consider an amendment to include representatives of local authorities in t...
James Brokenshire | 457 c1013 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the amendment. The role of local government in the context of probation services, and the ...
Ian Stewart | 457 c1006 (Link to this contribution)
I have seen the excellent work done in the education department at Forest Bank prison in my constitu...
Lord Garnier | 457 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree, and if time permitted I was going to draw those sorts of conclusions in relation t...
Lord Garnier | 457 c1004-6 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the Minister was referring to the debate in Committee on 23 January, when I moved a new...
John McDonnell | 457 c1014-5 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 3, in page 10, line 29, leave out clause 14.
In the limited time availa...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1014 (Link to this contribution)
I thank hon. Gentlemen for their contributions. Local authorities do play a key role, and the amendm...
David Heath | 457 c1013 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for introducing Government amendment No. 13, which is similar in form to my ame...
John McDonnell | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
These are key issues and they have caused concern among prison governors and controllers. I would we...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is asking me to come to a conclusion without the investigation having taken place. I ...
John McDonnell | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
If the Minister could offer an assurance that there will be no reduction in controllers’ capacity or...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that my hon. Friend makes, and I undertake to look at it. My understanding is...
John McDonnell | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
There seems to be some contradiction in what the Minister is saying. The National Offender Managemen...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution)
I draw the attention of my hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell) to the p...
Lord Garnier | 457 c1015 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has made his points clear. I have some reservations about the ability of non-Crow...
John McDonnell | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1016 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to do that—and to discuss why the Prison Governors Association will not allow private sec...
Speaker | 457 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendment No. 17.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 16, in page 32, line 9, after ‘2000)’, insert ‘in which’.
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1019-20 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely what I am saying. Indeed, I would go a little further. Although we have not yet wo...
Clive Betts | 457 c1019 (Link to this contribution)
As my right hon. Friend knows, I have raised that issue with him so I am heartened by his comments. ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1017-9 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
We have had a productive and useful debate...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 457 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
These are purely technical amendments which are necessary to correct drafting errors. The bodies con...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1019 (Link to this contribution)
Certainly, when I have finished this section of my speech.
Let me make it clear: if a public sector...
John Bercow | 457 c1019 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Patrick Hall | 457 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to say how much I welcome—and how much many others inside and outside the House will we...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
I agree entirely with the hon. Gentleman’s proposition. May I tell him a little anecdote in response...
John Bercow | 457 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it is difficult effectively to educate or train people who ...
Frank Cook | 457 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
The House knows that I am a Teesside MP and I am concerned about the impact of the measures on that ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the Under-Secretary has already responded to my hon. Friend on that matter. In so far a...
Gordon Prentice | 457 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
Which elements of the contract will be regarded as commercially confidential? As my friend knows, in...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1020-1 (Link to this contribution)
I trust that we will be able to provide more detail about how we would apply those principles in pra...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1022 (Link to this contribution)
If my hon. Friend will let me go a little further, I will certainly give way to her in a moment.
Af...
Judy Mallaber | 457 c1022 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1022-3 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise my hon. Friend’s concerns, and I hope that what I have said tonight illustrates not only...
Judy Mallaber | 457 c1022 (Link to this contribution)
Following directly from my right hon. Friend’s last point, does he accept the concerns of a number o...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1023 (Link to this contribution)
No, I think that it is my hon. Friend who is becoming confused. I am not suggesting that the regiona...
Neil Gerrard | 457 c1023 (Link to this contribution)
May I pursue the question of the local area agreements and the trusts? In the structure that is bein...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1023-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have to make some progress, if my hon. Friend will allow me. If time permits, I will come back to ...
John Grogan | 457 c1023 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary give way?
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
I listened carefully to what my hon. Friend said this afternoon. It is a logical follow-on from what...
Patrick Hall | 457 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend take on board the issue that I raised this afternoon about the need to set...
Clive Betts | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend make clear an important point that the Home Secretary made earlier, which all ou...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
What is proposed is not a privatisation. The essence of Parliament and of debate is for all those po...
Lord Cormack | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman really advocating party before conscience?
Stuart Bell | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that point.
Lord Cormack | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to repeat it. Was the hon. Gentleman, in his reply to the hon. Member for Newcastle-u...
Stephen Pound | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
It was 23 a minute ago.
Stuart Bell | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
Time passes quickly, even in the House. It passes even more quickly when one is enjoying oneself, an...
Tom Levitt | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will have noticed that the Back Benches of the official Opposition were empty through...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1031-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am not entirely sure whether the word ““opportunism”” is unparliamentary or otherwise, but opportu...
Paul Farrelly | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend recognise that a number of us who voted against Second Reading and for an amendm...
Speaker | 457 c1037 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I remind the House that there is other business to be done, so if hon. Members are not stayin...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman, who has sat in this place for longer than I have, wishes this Parliament to b...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
I would not wish, after 24 years of never having been called to account—
Stephen Pound | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
Nobody could doubt the utter sincerity of my hon. Friend. Is he implying by his comments that, heave...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, but I can reveal a secret. I was in the Tea Room yesterday when...
David Heath | 457 c1031 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman referred to the subject, may I state that I have represented my party on home ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way first to the hon. Member for Buckingham (John Bercow), whom I discourteously forgot...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1021-2 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly hope so. Although there is a regional commissioner, I hope that we can lock in the guara...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1032 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry—I did not hear the hon. Gentleman’s point. Would he like to repeat it?
David Heath | 457 c963 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain to me in simple terms why both new clause 11 and new clause 12 have been t...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 457 c1024 (Link to this contribution)
In fairness, I should give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Selby (Mr. Grogan), who tried to int...
Stuart Bell | 457 c1030-1 (Link to this contribution)
I have worked for 23 years and more with the probation service in Middlesbrough. It is an excellent ...
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