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Trade Union Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 14 September 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Sajid Javid. The answering members were Angela Eagle and Nick Boles.
Second reading. Reasoned amendment not selected. Agreed to on division (317 to 284). Programme motion on committal, proceedings in public bill committee, and on consideration and third reading, and other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution. Queen's recommendation signified. Agreed to on question. Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

599 cc759-875 

Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Trade Union Bill 2015-16
Wednesday, 15 July 2015
Bills
House of Commons
Trade Union Bill
Tuesday, 8 September 2015
Research briefings

Proceeding contributions

John Bercow | 599 c760 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that I have not selected the reasoned amendment.

3.35 pm

Sajid Javid | 599 c760 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I see two or more new faces on the ...


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Jeremy Corbyn | 599 c760 (Link to this contribution)

He is going to withdraw the Bill.

Sajid Javid | 599 cc760-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is wishful thinking by the new Leader of the Opposition.

Since the industrial revoluti...

Caroline Lucas | 599 c761 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is pretending that the Bill is about democracy rather than being a vindict...

Sajid Javid | 599 c761 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady will see that democracy and accountability are at the heart of the Bill—[Interrupti...

Dennis Skinner | 599 c761 (Link to this contribution)

If this Bill was to be supported by the workers generally, some trade unions would already have g...

Sajid Javid | 599 c761 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad the hon. Gentleman has been able to get that off his chest. He will know, first, that t...

Barry Sheerman | 599 c761 (Link to this contribution)

If this is such a fair and reasonable Bill, why does the right hon. Gentleman’s predecessor, Vinc...

Sajid Javid | 599 cc761-2 (Link to this contribution)

There is a new Business Secretary in this Government and he is the one presenting this Bill.

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Dawn Butler | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State talks about women on low pay. Many of these women and men do not have bank...

Sajid Javid | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

There is absolutely no relationship between check-off and bank accounts. Anyone who is able to ta...

Grahame Morris | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

That is outrageous. Have a bit of dignity.

On this issue of consistency, if the trade union...

Sajid Javid | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will know that the certification officer is the regulator for trade unions, an...

John Redwood | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that modern unions are at their best when they work with employ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. At the heart of this Bill is partnership—partnership be...

Wes Streeting | 599 c762 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is giving the House the impression that London commuters would somehow be ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I am coming on to thresholds, but the hon. Gentleman’s point proves that this is not some kind of...

Sajid Javid | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment. In addition, strikes in certain public services will need the suppor...

David Winnick | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Despite the Secretary of State’s fine words about the trade union movement at the beginning, does...

Sajid Javid | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

There was a time when Labour used to be the party of working people. We have seen evidence alread...

David Rutley | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Has my right hon. Friend seen the words of Rob Williams from the National Shop Stewards Network? ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

What that highlights is that, sadly, there are some trade union leaders who do not care about the...

Sajid Javid | 599 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment. I also wish to highlight the additional requirement for ballots of s...

Barry Gardiner | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

What is the appropriate word to describe it when a person who feels that they have been dealt wit...

Sajid Javid | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

I have already addressed the hon. Gentleman’s concern. This is not a ban on strike action. This i...

Ian Lavery | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

If the rules for thresholds set out in the Bill were applied to the election of MPs, can the righ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

First, as I hope the hon. Gentleman knows, in a general election the electorate do not face a bin...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman talks about having a mandate for this Bill. His party was wholly rejecte...

Sajid Javid | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

First, as the hon. Gentleman will know, employment law and industrial relations are reserved matt...

Richard Fuller | 599 c764 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend was absolutely right to have a consultation on the additional 40% hurdle. He...

Sajid Javid | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, as usual, makes an excellent point. That goes to the heart of the Bill and why we...

Sajid Javid | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment, but first I will make some progress, because many hon. Members wish ...

Yasmin Qureshi | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman not recognise that the reason the Opposition object to the Bill is ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the hon. Lady will therefore agree with the changes we are proposing today. She is r...

Chris Philp | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

The question of mandates was raised a few moments ago. Is the Secretary of State aware that when ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend shows just how much support there is among the general public for these reforms.

Andrew Bridgen | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that one of the problems with the unions using historical manda...

Sajid Javid | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly the point I am coming on to.

When old mandates are used, it is not fair on ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 599 c765 (Link to this contribution)

Is my right hon. Friend not showing with this legislation, once again, that the Conservative Gove...

Sajid Javid | 599 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for highlighting how the Bill protects the rights of working people across...

Sajid Javid | 599 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I must plough on, but I will give way later.

The Bill provides that voting papers sent to u...

Catherine West | 599 c766 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that this is just another instance of the Tory party no longer being on the si...

Sajid Javid | 599 c766 (Link to this contribution)

It is a case of a one nation Government standing up for all working people across the country.

Kevin Hollinrake | 599 c766 (Link to this contribution)

Why does the Minister think that since 2010 seven times as many strike days have been lost in the...

Sajid Javid | 599 c766 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend highlights an important point. It reflects the fact that, unfortunately, public se...

Sajid Javid | 599 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I must move on.

The code of practice on picketing, which is already followed without diffic...

Lord Walney | 599 c767 (Link to this contribution)

If the Secretary of State is so concerned about being even-handed in how he modernises strike law...

Sajid Javid | 599 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I assume the hon. Gentleman is referring to e-balloting, but I am concerned about fraud and that ...

Ian Lavery | 599 c767 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State discounts e-balloting because of potential fraud. How about considering an...

Sajid Javid | 599 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I have clearly set out my concerns and we propose to make no change to the way in which ballots a...

Michael Ellis | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

Labour is in hoc to and funded by the unions—[Interruption.] That is why Labour Members are makin...

Sajid Javid | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. That money belongs to hard-working people. They should know e...

Peter Kyle | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

My union, Community, has used the political fund to challenge Governments of all colours and even...

Sajid Javid | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I therefore hope that the hon. Gentleman will agree with the changes, because they support union ...

Richard Burden | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member for Wokingham (John Redwood) said earlier that when unions and employers wo...

Sajid Javid | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has moved on to an issue that I will cover later in my remarks.

Oliver Dowden | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that this is a simple matter of transparency? If people want to g...

Sajid Javid | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend puts it very eloquently. This is an issue of transparency. It is about ensuring th...

Ian Lavery | 599 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for giving away again. If this is about transparency, what about t...

Sajid Javid | 599 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman actually agrees with the rules that apply to businesses. When business...

Dawn Butler | 599 c769 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is being very generous with his time. On the point of businesses being ope...

Sajid Javid | 599 c769 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady will know that businesses or individuals have to declare it when they make a donati...

Alan Johnson | 599 c770 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State explain why the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions is pursuing ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c770 (Link to this contribution)

This is an issue about check-off, not auto-enrolment. Several Whitehall Departments have already ...

Angela Rayner | 599 c770 (Link to this contribution)

Before I came to this place, I was a public sector worker—a home help—and an elected trade union ...

Sajid Javid | 599 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly disagree with the hon. Lady. There is nothing wrong with an employee doing union...

Sajid Javid | 599 c770 (Link to this contribution)

Then this will make it even more transparent. If the hon. Lady looks at the changes, she should b...

James Heappey | 599 c770 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not an outrage that union officials can conduct union business on public time? Will the Sec...

Sajid Javid | 599 cc770-1 (Link to this contribution)

I should emphasise that point: we are saving £17 million a year because of the transparency we ha...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 599 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State agree with one of his own donors, JCB, which has people in facility f...

Sajid Javid | 599 c771 (Link to this contribution)

It is good enough for all sectors. There is nothing wrong with facility time—the Bill is clear ab...

Chris Stephens | 599 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Why have the Government not consulted the devolved Administrations and local authorities across t...

Sajid Javid | 599 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I am a bit baffled by the hon. Gentleman’s question because there are three consultations that re...

Rob Marris | 599 c771 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is being very generous in giving way. I understand what he is trying to ...

Sajid Javid | 599 cc771-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman should be assured that if that were the case, we would not have brought these ...

John Bercow | 599 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I call the shadow Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, but not before we hear ...

Jake Berry | 599 c772 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Before we proceed with this important debate, I wonder whether y...

John Bercow | 599 c772 (Link to this contribution)

There should be no requirement for clarification because the hon. Gentleman is an experienced den...

John Bercow | 599 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman must calm himself. I feel sure that this will be a separate point of or...

Clive Efford | 599 c772 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Since reference has been made to the funding of political partie...

John Bercow | 599 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that an undesirable trend has been started by the hon. Gentleman, no doubt with great inno...

Angela Eagle | 599 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Third time lucky, Mr Speaker.

I thank the Secretary of State for his gracious welcome, and ...

Geraint Davies | 599 c773 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will know that in recent years, the average trade unionist has been on strike for ...

Angela Eagle | 599 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I agree wholeheartedly with my hon. Friend’s analysis of the effect of the Bill, despite the pant...

Dawn Butler | 599 c773 (Link to this contribution)

May I declare that I am a proud trade unionist and was a full-time trade union official for more ...

Angela Eagle | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

It is impossible not to agree with my hon. Friend, and it saddens me beyond words that we are her...

Jonathan Reynolds | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome my hon. Friend to her new position. She says, rightly, that the number of days lost to ...

Angela Eagle | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I agree wholeheartedly with the comments of my hon. Friend.

John Redwood | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady have a message for people in London trying to get to work or students trying t...

Angela Eagle | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

My message is that the Mayor should start doing his job and help to respond to the dispute.

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady not find it amazing that 99% of the time the Conservatives go on about regulat...

Angela Eagle | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I shall come on to the smothering of trade union administration in what I will call “blue tape” l...

Rob Marris | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend that trade unions are central to democracy and that we already have s...

Angela Eagle | 599 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to aspects of that, but it is important that we do not discount the attacks on dem...

Clive Lewis | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I declare my interests: I am sponsored by trade unions—the cleanest money in British politics and...

Angela Eagle | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

Great minds obviously think alike, and I may well come back to that issue later in my speech.

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Emily Thornberry | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest: I am a proud member of Unite the union and I have been since the miners’ s...

Angela Eagle | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

It is wise to remember that trade unions defend not only their own members. Over the years, trade...

Rupa Huq | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned the CIPD, and it is not only the usual suspects who oppose this Bill—the...

Angela Eagle | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to live in a world in which the Tory party did not have this kind of blood lust agai...

David Rutley | 599 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Wallasey (Ms Eagle) on her promotion. She works hard in the no...

Angela Eagle | 599 cc775-6 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the right to demonstrate. I thought we were living in a free country.

The Bill...

Mike Kane | 599 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend on her elevation.

The Bill comes straight out of the ri...

Angela Eagle | 599 c776 (Link to this contribution)

More than that, I think the slightly shifty looks on the faces of many Government Members demonst...

Angela Eagle | 599 cc776-8 (Link to this contribution)

No. I have given way a lot of times and I am in the middle of the peroration.

Before I was ...

David Anderson | 599 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recall that throughout the 1980s the working people of this country were lect...

Angela Eagle | 599 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Rather like Don Quixote, they are tilting at windmills, and legislating for an absurd caricature ...

Lady Hermon | 599 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for allowing me—unlike the Secretary of State—to intervene. Everyo...

Angela Eagle | 599 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know; perhaps the hon. Lady wants to tell me.

Lady Hermon | 599 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Lady. I have enormous regard for her and I congratulate her most s...

Angela Eagle | 599 c779 (Link to this contribution)

Madam Deputy Speaker—[Interruption.]

Angela Eagle | 599 c779 (Link to this contribution)

We will have to have a chat about whether the Labour party should organise in Northern Ireland. I...

Angela Eagle | 599 c779 (Link to this contribution)

I suppose so—[Interruption.] The hon. Gentleman has melted my heart.

Chris Philp | 599 c779 (Link to this contribution)

That is something I thought I would be unable to do; I am grateful that my persistence has paid o...

Angela Eagle | 599 c779 (Link to this contribution)

Disillusion has set in very quickly, I am afraid, with the hon. Gentleman. All I can say is that ...

Angela Eagle | 599 cc779-780 (Link to this contribution)

No.

As I was saying, that issue needs to be dealt with on a cross-party basis to change our...

Angela Eagle | 599 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I am winding up now.

Given the serious questions about its effect on fundamental rights, th...

Alec Shelbrooke | 599 cc780-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Bill, but also to make a key recommendation to the Secretary of State for a...

Lord Beamish | 599 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in the hon. Gentleman’s history lesson, but it is completely wrong because the ea...

Alec Shelbrooke | 599 c782 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments. I will talk later about the opt-in and the opt-out, ...

Jack Dromey | 599 c782 (Link to this contribution)

At the heart of the Grunwick dispute was a bad employer, supported by the Conservative party, who...

Alec Shelbrooke | 599 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments, because I am coming on to that point. I was about to...

Geraint Davies | 599 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Alec Shelbrooke | 599 cc783-4 (Link to this contribution)

No, I want to crack on. I have given way a couple of times, and a lot of people want to speak.

Chris Stephens | 599 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise in total opposition to this Bill. Let me declare my Unison membership and my 20 years of t...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 599 c785 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend not think it even stranger that the 40% threshold is demanded by a Government...

Chris Stephens | 599 c785 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I agree. In Scotland, at the last election, the Conservative party received its lowest share...

Chris Stephens | 599 c785 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my Unison comrade and friend.

Angela Rayner | 599 c785 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Does he agree that some of the rhetoric we have heard ...

Chris Stephens | 599 c785 (Link to this contribution)

I agree completely, and I will give some examples confirming what the hon. Lady describes. Introd...

Justin Madders | 599 c786 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard rhetoric from Conservative Members about how the Bill will help hard-working people...

Chris Stephens | 599 c786 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I do. The Bill is designed to continue austerity—that is exactly what it is about. It is abo...

Dawn Butler | 599 c786 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, the Bakers Union is campaigning for fair rights for fast food workers, and is tryi...

Chris Stephens | 599 c786 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly what it is designed to do. This attack is to weaken the rights of trade union mem...

Lord Beamish | 599 c786 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that this area is much regulated at the moment? Not only do union m...

Chris Stephens | 599 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. I think the system is transparent. In my own trade union, we had the choice to fund ...

Chris Philp | 599 c787 (Link to this contribution)

First, all the examples that the hon. Gentleman has just given involve the employee opting in, ra...

Chris Stephens | 599 cc787-8 (Link to this contribution)

The point is that they have chosen to provide the service for free. If there was a genuine consul...

Geraint Davies | 599 c788 (Link to this contribution)

Do the hon. Gentleman’s points not illustrate that this Bill is causing division where there was ...

Chris Stephens | 599 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. The Bill is an ideological assault against the largest group in civic society that is st...

Bill Esterson | 599 c788 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman familiar with what the International Monetary Fund has said about the benef...

Chris Stephens | 599 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I agree, because what has happened to collective bargaining is tragic. In 1979, for example, 81% ...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 599 c788 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that this Bill by the British Government is a real threat to the positi...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 599 c789 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I think the hon. Gentleman might like to rephrase the last sentence of his intervention.

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 599 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I will rephrase it, Madam Deputy Speaker. It feels like murder. [Interruption.]

Chris Stephens | 599 c789 (Link to this contribution)

Murderopolis, indeed.

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The TUC, the STUC and the TUC in ...

Chris Stephens | 599 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I am just finishing.

The Bill is an attack on our civil liberties and our human rights. As ...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I speak in support of the Bill but not against the trade union movement or its members. In fact, ...

Lady Hermon | 599 c789 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be well aware, I am sure, that a very high percentage of people who are t...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c790 (Link to this contribution)

Nothing in this Bill infringes the right to strike. It asks trade union bosses to achieve a highe...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c790 (Link to this contribution)

Let me continue. Today the majority of those in trade unions are not the working poor—53% of memb...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c790 (Link to this contribution)

If I may continue, most working people in lower-skilled, lower-paid roles are not part of trade u...

Wes Streeting | 599 c790 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman seems to be a reasonable man who has misunderstood the Bill. He says that he w...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c790 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will have heard my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State say that he is dee...

Robert Jenrick | 599 cc790-1 (Link to this contribution)

Let me continue. Far from diminishing the voice of trade unions and, as I said in response to the...

Lord Mann | 599 c791 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my parliamentary neighbour for giving way. He will recall the mass demonstration in his c...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c791 (Link to this contribution)

The key issue is that trade union leaders should speak for their members and achieve a clear mand...

Robert Jenrick | 599 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Other Members want to speak, so let me come to the end of my remarks.

The only unions and l...

Robert Jenrick | 599 cc791-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, because Madam Deputy Speaker wishes me to finish my remarks.

My ancest...

Alan Johnson | 599 c792 (Link to this contribution)

I draw to the House’s attention my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and my m...

Andrew Bridgen | 599 c792 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman’s opening argument is exactly the same as that made by the shadow Secret...

Alan Johnson | 599 c792 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that we set a room aside with some crayons and colouring boards and perhaps a “Teletubb...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 599 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Has my right hon. Friend taken note of the Regulatory Policy Committee’s comment that the Governm...

Alan Johnson | 599 c793 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. In fact, the RPC has said that the Bill is not fit for purpos...

Richard Fuller | 599 c793 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I pass the “Teletubbies” hurdle for intellectual input. On the point about the numbers tha...

Alan Johnson | 599 c793 (Link to this contribution)

Of course industrial action has an impact, which is why, as I said, no trade unionist, trade unio...

Alan Johnson | 599 c793 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have given way to the hon. Gentleman once already, and he did not pass the “Teletubbies” te...

Grahame Morris | 599 c793 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the number of days lost in the UK to industrial action only half the EU average? Furthermo...

Alan Johnson | 599 cc793-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, a good gas fitter in his time, makes a good point.

The hon. Member for Elme...

Catherine West | 599 c794 (Link to this contribution)

Is my right hon. Friend aware that there is one exception to that? In London, under a leader who ...

Alan Johnson | 599 c794 (Link to this contribution)

It just so happens that that particular Member was trying to intervene on me. I gladly give way t...

Boris Johnson | 599 c794 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to inform the House that the previous Mayor met the leader of the RMT only once, repor...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 599 c794 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman should receive the same courtesy as every other Member of the House whi...

Boris Johnson | 599 c794 (Link to this contribution)

I tell the right hon. Gentleman that not only do many European countries have restrictions and in...

Alan Johnson | 599 c794 (Link to this contribution)

I think that could be described as a wildcat intervention. Let me tell the hon. Gentleman that th...

Melanie Onn | 599 c795 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the description of strikes as “wildcat” is wildly inaccurate...

Alan Johnson | 599 cc795-6 (Link to this contribution)

That is an extremely important point. Another important statistic is that one in five industrial ...

Boris Johnson | 599 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that plenty of institutions in this country rely on the conc...

Alan Johnson | 599 c796 (Link to this contribution)

I have been generous to fellow members of the Johnson clan, but the hon. Gentleman must understan...

Lord Beamish | 599 c797 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that some trade union rule books have the same provision—they nee...

Alan Johnson | 599 c797 (Link to this contribution)

That is correct, and it should be something that we look at as part of a review of our democratic...

Chris Philp | 599 c797 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Alan Johnson | 599 c797 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way.

One thing that cannot be suggested is that the decision on the Eur...

Chris Philp | 599 c797 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Alan Johnson | 599 cc797-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not giving way to the hon. Gentleman. We have heard enough from him—[Hon. Members: “Hear...

Lord Mann | 599 c798 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has substantive experience of these matters over many years. Does he think t...

Alan Johnson | 599 cc798-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises the central point. I do not know about other trade union officials here, bu...

David Davis | 599 c799 (Link to this contribution)

I will be a lot brisker than the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle (Alan J...

Chris Stephens | 599 c799 (Link to this contribution)

I merely quoted the right hon. Gentleman’s comments about Franco.

David Davis | 599 c799 (Link to this contribution)

The reason those comments resonate with me is that my grandfather, who brought me up, was as a yo...

Mhairi Black | 599 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

David Davis | 599 cc799-800 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to be very brisk.

The word “discomfort” is a very soft word to use. Not bein...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 599 c800 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker, it will be obvious to the House that although we have been...

Iain Wright | 599 cc800-1 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the attention of the House to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests.

Anne Main | 599 c801 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle (Alan Johnson) suggested that such e...

Iain Wright | 599 cc801-2 (Link to this contribution)

Britain has low levels of industrial disputes relative to our main economic rivals—half the EU av...

Andrew Bridgen | 599 cc802-3 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome many of the provisions in the Bill, which brings some much-needed modernisation and a l...

Christian Matheson | 599 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that PCS is not affiliated to the Labour party?

Andrew Bridgen | 599 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I think it probably will be now that Labour has a new leader—it seems to be very politically alig...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 599 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is a bit of a cheek for the right hon. Member for Kingston upon...

Andrew Bridgen | 599 c803 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a point that has been made often. I think we also saw the influence of the u...

David Davis | 599 c803 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, but my simple question is: why not deal with that through a ge...

Andrew Bridgen | 599 cc803-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has made that point and it is worthy of consideration. I am sure that he wil...

Andrew Bridgen | 599 c804 (Link to this contribution)

I have already given way, and I am afraid I will not do so again on this occasion—I would love to...

Ronnie Campbell | 599 cc804-5 (Link to this contribution)

We have listened to some good speeches from Members, from both those who disagree with the Bill a...

Anne Main | 599 c805 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ronnie Campbell | 599 c805 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not.

I sometimes wonder what the shareholders think of those companies. Have the...

Ronnie Campbell | 599 c806 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I will be next, but I will not be putting in the money these guys put in! Now we come on to...

Ronnie Campbell | 599 c806 (Link to this contribution)

No. That is the reality and the truth. That is the Tory party—hypocritical.

6.17 pm

William Wragg | 599 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)

I rise perhaps in the same spirit as my right hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice and Howden (...

Stephen Doughty | 599 c807 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman believe that the same argument should apply to the Bill’s provisions on h...

William Wragg | 599 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I consider health and safety to be a union duty rather than a union activity, so I agree with tha...

Ian Lavery | 599 cc807-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have great experience of much of what is in the Bill. I have been on picket lines on countless ...

Rishi Sunak | 599 c809 (Link to this contribution)

I echo comments that have been made by Members on both sides of the House. Without our trade unio...

Hannah Bardell | 599 c809 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the use of the terms “working families” and “working people” a...

Rishi Sunak | 599 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

I completely reject those comments. There is nothing in this Bill that is offensive: it is a mode...

Suella Braverman | 599 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the context of this Bill is that it is intended to deal with the p...

Rishi Sunak | 599 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. In today’s world, it is important that we maintain a competitive eco...

Kirsten Oswald | 599 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Rishi Sunak | 599 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I would like to make some progress.

I was proud to see that it was the orig...

Liz McInnes | 599 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Rishi Sunak | 599 cc810-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but I am keen to carry on.

Therefore it is right that key provisions in the exis...

Alex Cunningham | 599 c811 (Link to this contribution)

I have been a trade unionist since I was 18 and am currently a member of Unison. I have also spen...

Andy McDonald | 599 c811 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that every time the Tories come to Parliament to introduce these sorts ...

Alex Cunningham | 599 cc811-3 (Link to this contribution)

They certainly do, and they have said the same of this legislation today.

The Tories have m...

Oliver Dowden | 599 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Like my right hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice and Howden (Mr Davis), I shall begin by decl...

Mhairi Black | 599 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Saying that strikes are disruptive is not an argument against trade unions. They are meant to cau...

Oliver Dowden | 599 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Of course strikes are intended to be disruptive, but one of the fallacies that has been put forwa...

Kirsten Oswald | 599 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the chief executive of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and ...

Oliver Dowden | 599 cc812-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady might say that, but recent analysis shows that in the past four years, 3 million da...

Grahame Morris | 599 c814 (Link to this contribution)

Many of the hon. Gentleman’s colleagues have made that same point about strike ballots, using the...

Oliver Dowden | 599 cc814-5 (Link to this contribution)

Labour Members cannot have their cake and eat it. They cannot simultaneously say that this is an ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 599 c815 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Just to try to ensure that everybody gets in, with 46 speakers still to come, we are going...

Kirsten Oswald | 599 cc815-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for calling me to take part in this important debate. It has been i...

Lindsay Hoyle | 599 c816 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I call Richard Fuller.

6.54 pm

Richard Fuller | 599 cc816-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for East Renfrewshire (Kirsten Oswald). I am del...

Michael Meacher | 599 cc817-8 (Link to this contribution)

This is a Bill of naked discrimination against the trade unions, designed to cut the funding of t...

David Rutley | 599 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)

I was there in the 1980s, studying at the London School of Economics—the so-called hotbed of soci...

Andy McDonald | 599 cc819-820 (Link to this contribution)

I declare my interest as a member of Unite the union. The Bill exposes the Government’s self-appo...

Chris Philp | 599 c821 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow that thoughtful speech from the hon. Member for Middlesbrough (Andy Mc...

Catherine West | 599 c821 (Link to this contribution)

But does the hon. Gentleman accept that those strikes have tripled since the Tories took over in ...

Chris Philp | 599 cc821-2 (Link to this contribution)

I think that it is very unfortunate that the RMT has chosen to be so confrontational. As my hon. ...

Jo Stevens | 599 cc822-3 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, and to ...

Jo Stevens | 599 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way.

I urge the Government to listen not only to me and to my colleagues on...

Alan Mak | 599 cc823-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this important debate on reforming and modernising ...

Oliver Dowden | 599 c824 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that often it is not trade union members in general who cause these str...

Alan Mak | 599 cc824-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his positive intervention; I completely agree. It is members of trade ...

Ian Mearns | 599 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Gentleman give some recent examples of “last-minute” industrial action?

Alan Mak | 599 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Anyone who has used the London underground will know that the trade unions strike on a whim and c...

Kevin Barron | 599 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Over the course of history, the workplace has been the scene of many grave injustices: slavery, c...

Andy McDonald | 599 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend share my concern that successive Conservative Members have praised trad...

Kevin Barron | 599 cc825-6 (Link to this contribution)

It rings very hollow.

The Government would have us believe that they are impartial in passi...

Jeremy Lefroy | 599 cc826-7 (Link to this contribution)

Within a few months of starting as a foreman in a motor factory in the early 1980s, I managed to ...

Jim Cunningham | 599 c827 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has said that he has worked in industry as a foreman. Surely he agrees that it...

Jeremy Lefroy | 599 c827 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree that it is extremely important to have time to conduct those duties in a respo...

Hannah Bardell | 599 cc827-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to speak in this debate on a Bill that has, at ...

Hannah Bardell | 599 cc828-9 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not: I want to make some progress.

This Bill undermines a number of basic, funda...

Huw Merriman | 599 cc829-830 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Livingston (Hannah Bardell).

I was brought u...

Grahame Morris | 599 c830 (Link to this contribution)

I refer the House to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and declare that I ...

Ian Lavery | 599 c830 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend explain the benefits of e-balloting and workplace ballots?

Grahame Morris | 599 c830 (Link to this contribution)

There is a contradiction in the Government’s position. E-balloting is accepted for the first stag...

Stephen Doughty | 599 c830 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that e-balloting is also used for the Royal National Institute of Blind P...

Grahame Morris | 599 c830 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention. A plethora of organisations —[I...

Lindsay Hoyle | 599 c830 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am desperate to hear the hon. Gentleman, but I cannot hear him because there are too man...

Grahame Morris | 599 cc830-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. My hon. Friend’s point was excellent and well made. In modern t...

Margaret Greenwood | 599 cc831-2 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to declare myself as a proud trade unionist all my working life. I am grateful for t...

Owen Thompson | 599 cc832-3 (Link to this contribution)

For the record, I am not, and never have been, a member of a trade union. I want to bring to the ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 599 c833 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is indeed giving a different perspective from the other side of the table from the...

Owen Thompson | 599 c833 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. In fact, many of the issues raised could be dealt with th...

James Heappey | 599 c833 (Link to this contribution)

On the SNP’s trade union group website, there is a page entitled “Labour’s Levy”. Can we agree th...

Owen Thompson | 599 cc833-4 (Link to this contribution)

Whatever views there might be on the political levy, the Bill is most certainly not the way to de...

Jonathan Edwards | 599 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to oppose the Bill in the strongest terms on behalf of Plaid Cymru. As the son of a retire...

Chris Stephens | 599 c834 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that there are trade union traditions within many of the politica...

Jonathan Edwards | 599 cc834-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that well-made point. I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his excellent speech...

Jack Dromey | 599 cc835-6 (Link to this contribution)

My dad came to this country from County Cork as an Irish navvy. He came here to dig roads. He joi...

David Anderson | 599 c836 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a strong case. From his years of experience in the trade union movement,...

Jack Dromey | 599 c836 (Link to this contribution)

The great Jack Jones once said that working people have two ways to access power: their union car...

Christian Matheson | 599 c836 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. He used to be my boss, and a very good boss he was too. In...

Jack Dromey | 599 cc836-7 (Link to this contribution)

The idea of cabals of shop stewards who pursue nakedly party political or political agendas is a ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 599 c837 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 3 sets out the important public services for which 40% support will be required in ballots...

Jack Dromey | 599 c837 (Link to this contribution)

No, and I dealt with the nuclear industry for 15 years. There were rarely disputes, there were ve...

Richard Burgon | 599 c837 (Link to this contribution)

I refer Members to my registered interests. I am a proud trade unionist and secretary of the GMB ...

Chris Stephens | 599 c838 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that this is not just an attack against one political party and t...

Richard Burgon | 599 c838 (Link to this contribution)

That is right. One example is the anti-racist organisation HOPE not hate that I have enjoyed camp...

Ian Mearns | 599 c838 (Link to this contribution)

It is an attack not just on freedom of association but on freedom of speech. People have to give ...

Richard Burgon | 599 c838 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that it is gravely concerning, and I will come on to that point. Indeed, clause 9 states ...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 599 cc838-9 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest in this debate as a proud member of my trade union Unite.

The freedom...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 599 c839 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise but I must make progress. I am conscious that a lot of Members wish to speak.

I...

Natascha Engel | 599 c840 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker I am afraid that I must reduce the time limit to three minu...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 599 c840 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a proud member of the Unite union, and I draw attention to my relevant d...

Christina Rees | 599 c840 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that local government and public services are completely devolved to Wa...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 599 cc840-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to say that the Government have failed to take into account the views and...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 599 c841 (Link to this contribution)

I direct the House to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. I am a proud memb...

Wes Streeting | 599 c842 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who has campaigned with organisations such as HOPE not hate, is my hon. Friend as conc...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 599 c842 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. There are few organisations that challenge the political fallout of those hates and fear...

Christian Matheson | 599 cc842-3 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the attention of the House to my declaration of interests, which includes membership of th...

Stephen Doughty | 599 c843 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend might be guilty of wildcat tweeting—[Laughter.]

Christian Matheson | 599 c843 (Link to this contribution)

That would be a terrible crime, and I would not wish to be accused of such a grave offence.

Angela Crawley | 599 cc843-4 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to oppose the Bill. It is being a member of the Unite trade union and the daughter of form...

David Anderson | 599 cc844-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am proud and delighted to point Members to my declaration of interests. I joined the National U...

Geraint Davies | 599 cc845-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is sad that there are so few Tories here tonight when they are destroying the rights of trade ...

Natalie McGarry | 599 cc846-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to make it clear at the outset that I am proud of my previous membership of a trade ...

Liz McInnes | 599 cc847-8 (Link to this contribution)

I declare my membership of Unite and refer Members to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financ...

Harry Harpham | 599 c848 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my hon. Friend is aware that the TUC estimates that union workplace representatives con...

Liz McInnes | 599 c848 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend. I was hoping to be able to make that very point myself. He has given me a...

Jack Dromey | 599 c848 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is probably widely known that I am a former deputy ...

Natascha Engel | 599 c848 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order, which is on the record.

8.46 pm

Justin Madders | 599 cc848-850 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, a...

Clive Lewis | 599 c850 (Link to this contribution)

Like many hon. Friends here tonight, I am proud to declare an interest as a long-standing trade u...

Clive Lewis | 599 cc850-1 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it is sinister.

This is an attack not just on workers’ rights, but on our most basic a...

Keir Starmer | 599 c851 (Link to this contribution)

Like many others, I am a proud member of my trade union and in my career as a barrister I acted f...

Tommy Sheppard | 599 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)

I must confess that, earlier this afternoon, I was almost touched by some of the contributions fr...

Paula Sherriff | 599 c852 (Link to this contribution)

It has been a pleasure to listen to so many speeches today showing what trade unions really are. ...

Jack Dromey | 599 c852 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful case for the voice of working people to be heard, not just in...

Paula Sherriff | 599 c853 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention and agree with everything he has just said.

The...

Natascha Engel | 599 c853 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I call Rachael Maskell.

9.2 pm

Rachael Maskell | 599 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)

I refer the House to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. I am proud to decl...

Cat Smith | 599 cc854-5 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and decl...

Wes Streeting | 599 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)

I draw Members’ attention to my declaration in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. On b...

Lisa Cameron | 599 cc856-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is important for me to speak in this debate, having been a Unite the union representative for ...

John Bercow | 599 c857 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We are grateful to the hon. Lady. I call Melanie Onn.

9.14 pm

Melanie Onn | 599 cc857-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am speaking on behalf of Unison as a Unison member. Unison has over 1 million public sector wor...

Harry Harpham | 599 c858 (Link to this contribution)

I stand here as a proud trade unionist and member of Unite and the GMB. I draw Members’ attention...

Kate Osamor | 599 cc858-9 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, would like to declare that I am a proud trade unionist and a member of Unite.

To be...

Wes Streeting | 599 c859 (Link to this contribution)

On the increased threshold, I am sure my hon. Friend is as concerned as I am that it is not being...

Kate Osamor | 599 cc859-860 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with my hon. Friend.

The Bill’s higher ballot threshold for essential servi...

John Bercow | 599 c860 (Link to this contribution)

Now that, after a short flight, the exotic bird has returned to its nest, I call Mr Boris Johnson...

Boris Johnson | 599 c860 (Link to this contribution)

You are very kind, Mr Speaker. What the Bill in fact offers, contrary to what we have heard from ...

Boris Johnson | 599 c860 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I will not give way.

Some kind of disruptive industr...

Boris Johnson | 599 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Dennis Skinner | 599 c860 (Link to this contribution)

A member of the Bullingdon club, intimidating people.

Boris Johnson | 599 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the extra minute.

As a result of intimidatory behav...

John Bercow | 599 c861 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman has the floor.

Boris Johnson | 599 c861 (Link to this contribution)

Only 24% of London bus drivers decided to vote in the dispute in 2014, yet there were two one-day...

David Anderson | 599 c861 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is being his normal, generous self. In his two jobs...

Boris Johnson | 599 c861 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be familiar with the concept of the quorum. We are seeing a tiny minority...

Daniel Zeichner | 599 c861 (Link to this contribution)

I draw attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and my membership of...

John Bercow | 599 c861 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman has the right to be heard by both sides. He must and will be heard.

...
Daniel Zeichner | 599 cc861-2 (Link to this contribution)

Like many Members—although I am not sure about the previous speaker—I have had thousands of conve...

Peter Dowd | 599 cc862-3 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a member of Unison. [Hon. Members: “Oh!”] Yes, and I am proud of it. As ...

Alan Johnson | 599 c863 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps my hon. Friend will reflect on this. I tabled a question for the Secretary of State for H...

Peter Dowd | 599 c863 (Link to this contribution)

That is how petty this is. Should the Secretary of State not be spending his time and taxpayers’ ...

Stephen Doughty | 599 cc863-6 (Link to this contribution)

May I declare my current membership of the GMB and draw the attention of the House to my declarat...

Geraint Davies | 599 c866 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that as the Bill is a fundamental attack on democracy, human rights and...

Stephen Doughty | 599 cc866-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point and he echoes thousands of people who have expressed thei...

Nick Boles | 599 cc867-9 (Link to this contribution)

This debate has not exactly been notable for its cross-party harmony. Speeches from the Labour Be...

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