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Academies Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Thursday, 22 July 2010, in the House of Commons.
Academies Bill (HL). Committee stage second day. Clauses 2, 7, 8 debated and agreed to. Clauses 11 to 15 agreed to. Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. Clause 2: Payment under Academy agreements Clause 7: Transfer of school surpluses Clause 8: Transfer of other property

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Reference

514 c595-685 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department for Education

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Academies Bill (HL). Brought from the Lords. Explanatory Notes Bill 57-EN also published.
Tuesday, 13 July 2010
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Proceeding contributions

Stephen Metcalfe | 514 c645-7 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for the opportunity to address the House—through this Committee—for the first time, Mr Eva...
John Hayes | 514 c656 (Link to this contribution) Hon. Friend.

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Pauline Latham | 514 c655 (Link to this contribution) Very memorable, yes. From time to time, he would entertain his school in assembly by taking up his g...
Mike Hancock | 514 c654-5 (Link to this contribution) I never doubted for a minute the Minister's sincerity or his commitment to it. What I do doubt is th...
Pauline Latham | 514 c655 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for South Basildon and East Thurrock (Stephen Metcalfe) on ...
John Hayes | 514 c656 (Link to this contribution) So that I do not have to say too much when I sum up, perhaps I ought to make it plain that the law i...
Pauline Latham | 514 c656 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for that assurance, as I am sure parents have concerns about security o...
John Hayes | 514 c655 (Link to this contribution) I will deal with that matter when I sum up—some time in the distant future, no doubt—but to be clear...
Pauline Latham | 514 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that assurance. I am sure that many parents will be interested to hear what...
Pat Glass | 514 c642-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend. The biggest body blow to centrally supported specialist low incidence ...
Pat Glass | 514 c643 (Link to this contribution) There are two issues there. First, in the past it has depended on the number of academies. With all ...
Mel Stride | 514 c643 (Link to this contribution) Are there not examples of local authorities—one thinks of Suffolk—where the arrival of academies has...
Pat Glass | 514 c643 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Lady's point, and there are many deficiencies in the wider SEN system. My conc...
Charlotte Leslie | 514 c643 (Link to this contribution) I am enjoying and being informed by the hon. Lady's contribution, which is based on her experience. ...
Pat Glass | 514 c644 (Link to this contribution) Yes, it could, and yes, it should. However, as the hon. Member for Bradford East (Mr Ward) said yest...
Damian Collins | 514 c644 (Link to this contribution) In incidents such as the one she describes concerning valued services, might not an academy school l...
Pat Glass | 514 c643-4 (Link to this contribution) No doubt there are variations in the quality of service across the country. However, in my experienc...
Mel Stride | 514 c643 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the hon. Lady answered the first part of my question. The second part was: is it not of concern...
David Ward | 514 c644 (Link to this contribution) I must say this is a fantastic debate. I was not sure of the right time to introduce this point, but...
Pat Glass | 514 c644 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with the hon. Gentleman. The experiences of those of us who have worked in the ed...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c644 (Link to this contribution) Order. Interventions, by their very nature, should be short.
Pat Glass | 514 c645 (Link to this contribution) I will wind up now. I welcome the amendment that has been made. It does help and it will give confid...
John Hayes | 514 c644-5 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can reassure the hon. Lady, as I am anxious to achieve an Hegelian synthesis between o...
Mike Hancock | 514 c647-9 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for South Basildon and East Thurrock (Stephen Metcalfe) on the way in...
Mike Hancock | 514 c649 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted, and it was remiss of me not to welcome the hon. Gentleman to his ministerial positio...
John Hayes | 514 c649 (Link to this contribution) As usual, the hon. Gentleman is speaking with insight and I want to be clear with him. The Bill and ...
Mike Hancock | 514 c650 (Link to this contribution) I 100% agree. Sadly, I have seen that so many times—somebody who has devoted their whole life to the...
Ian Mearns | 514 c649 (Link to this contribution) I have experience over the years as a local authority representative and also a school governor, and...
Andrew Bridgen | 514 c651 (Link to this contribution) I must agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Bristol North West (Charlotte Leslie), because on Fr...
Mike Hancock | 514 c651 (Link to this contribution) I would love it if we had an autistic school in the heart of Portsmouth. However, what happens if th...
Charlotte Leslie | 514 c651 (Link to this contribution) I realise that this does not directly relate to the amendment, but part of the Bill deals with addit...
Mike Hancock | 514 c651 (Link to this contribution) I have nothing but admiration for the hon. Gentleman for having both the ability and the courage to ...
Lord Evans of Rainow | 514 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) I can talk from the experience of being a parent of a child with special educational needs, and also...
Mike Hancock | 514 c650 (Link to this contribution) I am wholly in favour of trusting parents; it is the silver-tongued politicians I am worried about, ...
Mel Stride | 514 c650 (Link to this contribution) Does not that argument suggest that parents cannot be trusted—that they do not have good judgment wh...
Mike Hancock | 514 c652 (Link to this contribution) Once again, in all the years that I have been here I have seldom been in the House on an occasion wh...
Robert Buckland | 514 c652 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman made an important point about the problems with provision caused by an increase i...
Mike Hancock | 514 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) I can understand that. I share the frustration of those parents with the current system, but this pr...
John Hayes | 514 c654 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend is reaching the exciting peroration to his speech and I do not want to in...
Mike Hancock | 514 c653 (Link to this contribution) That is perhaps more of a question for you, Mr Evans, than for the hon. Gentleman. [Laughter.] I giv...
Rory Stewart | 514 c653 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. What is the relevance of this to amendment 71? I do not u...
Pat Glass | 514 c653 (Link to this contribution) How do I follow that? On the issue of parents, I said earlier that I am someone who has been humbled...
Mike Hancock | 514 c652-3 (Link to this contribution) That is the story of the past 60 years. Parents were spoken to but they were not listened to, so the...
Charlotte Leslie | 514 c652 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman get rid of my confusion on one issue? There seems to be inconsistency in the...
Mike Hancock | 514 c653 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is a formidable supporter for the Minister, and one that the House will have to learn ...
Charlotte Leslie | 514 c653 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way yet again. I find that the debate is again moving towards ...
Mike Hancock | 514 c654 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention, and for your patience, Mr Evans, in allowing two interventions ...
Pat Glass | 514 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) Oh, right—can I make one quick point? Where special schools have been set up, whether by parents or ...
John Hayes | 514 c631 (Link to this contribution) I complimented the hon. Gentleman—it was not flattery—but I do not want him to get too insistent as ...
Edward Timpson | 514 c631 (Link to this contribution) We seem to be having an outbreak of cordial co-operation in the Committee. Paragraph 8A is an improv...
Lord Coaker | 514 c631-2 (Link to this contribution) That is an extremely interesting and good point. As I say, the problem is that there are a number of...
Graham Stuart | 514 c632 (Link to this contribution) On a slightly different track, is the shadow Minister aware of evidence that, despite the vast incre...
Lord Coaker | 514 c632-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with that. Again, the freedom for a school to determine the appropriate mix betwee...
Lord Coaker | 514 c634 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will know that I praised the Government at the beginning of my speech for making some ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c631 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. Perhaps he could clarify in his winding up exactly what he meant. [In...
Elizabeth Truss | 514 c634 (Link to this contribution) Is not the hon. Gentleman essentially saying that the previous arrangements worked for the existing ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c635 (Link to this contribution) I agree with that, and it goes to the heart of the debate. To be fair, that is the point that the Ch...
John Hayes | 514 c635 (Link to this contribution) It is absolutely right that the central provision that the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent South (Rob...
Lord Coaker | 514 c634 (Link to this contribution) Before I give way, let me say what we did yesterday, very successfully. I gave way a lot, and nobody...
Robert Flello | 514 c634 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend, who is extremely generous in allowing interventions. My apolog...
Lord Coaker | 514 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman has taken that tone, because that was not the policy intention of...
Lord Barwell | 514 c636 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way; he was also generous yesterday. In answer to my ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c635 (Link to this contribution) I am not trying to make the point that there are not perfectly reasonable people in academies, or in...
Andrew Bridgen | 514 c635 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Minister seems to be making a strong argument for reintroducing special schools, which is...
Lord Coaker | 514 c634 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that the existing state of play is not good enough and that the amendment that was made ...
Robert Flello | 514 c640 (Link to this contribution) I am listening with great interest to my hon. Friend's extremely well-thought-out speech, which clea...
Pat Glass | 514 c640 (Link to this contribution) Sadly, that happens far too often. Unfortunately, when children are diagnosed with ASD or attention ...
Andrew Bridgen | 514 c640 (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Lady believe to be the underlying level of SEN in the pupil population?
Bill Esterson | 514 c637 (Link to this contribution) Whether we are talking about SEN provision, looked-after children, educational psychologists, behavi...
Lord Coaker | 514 c637 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend; no doubt the Minister will try to pick up that issue in his remarks. H...
Rory Stewart | 514 c637-9 (Link to this contribution) A man may not make a maiden speech twice. Due to a misunderstanding in Westminster Hall, I appear to...
Pat Glass | 514 c639-40 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is on a really important matter, and the fact that so many Members are present after 4...
Lord Coaker | 514 c636 (Link to this contribution) I tried to make that point at the beginning; otherwise, we would not make any progress. I said that ...
David Ward | 514 c636 (Link to this contribution) May I introduce one other aspect? The discussion is seemingly taking place on the basis that there i...
Lord Coaker | 514 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) That is right. The issue is not only the quantity of support services for children with special educ...
Pat Glass | 514 c642 (Link to this contribution) I accept that that is what the data suggest. I stand here with 25 years of experience and I am simpl...
Bill Esterson | 514 c642 (Link to this contribution) Not only do I agree with my hon. Friend that some academies are artificially changing the arrangemen...
Pat Glass | 514 c642 (Link to this contribution) I would argue that academies serve poorer neighbourhoods and it is more difficult to get into an aca...
Graham Stuart | 514 c642 (Link to this contribution) I mean no disrespect to the hon. Lady's expertise or passion in this area, but she suggests that the...
Pat Glass | 514 c641-2 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister had been here—was it yesterday or the day before?—he would have known that I gave a ...
Lord Barwell | 514 c642 (Link to this contribution) I am enjoying the hon. Lady's speech, but I wish to pick her up on one point related to exclusions. ...
Pat Glass | 514 c641 (Link to this contribution) I accept what the hon. Gentleman says, but his view is not mine. I am opposing the Bill not for the ...
John Hayes | 514 c641 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to interrupt the hon. Lady, who I can tell is both experienced in, and passionate about, ...
Pat Glass | 514 c640-1 (Link to this contribution) That is a difficult question. The more severe and complex end of SEN is growing quickly, for all sor...
Rory Stewart | 514 c641 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I have a sister with SEN. I intend no disrespect at all, but the question we are addre...
Lord Coaker | 514 c630 (Link to this contribution) That is right, and my hon. Friend's comments highlight that we are not trying to make a party politi...
Robert Flello | 514 c630 (Link to this contribution) What I say will to some extent reiterate the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Sefton Cent...
Lord Coaker | 514 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) That is true, and it is stated in the Bill that where a local authority fails to secure satisfactory...
John Hayes | 514 c629 (Link to this contribution) Following the Education Act 1993, we have had codes of practice for SEN whose provisions are importa...
Lord Coaker | 514 c629 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend who re-emphasises my point. This is part of the tension within the Bill;...
Bill Esterson | 514 c629 (Link to this contribution) I wanted to add to the points about low incidence special needs, as there are other reasons why it i...
Lord Coaker | 514 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree and it is important, given that the Government will not amend the Bill, for the Mi...
John Hayes | 514 c630-1 (Link to this contribution) Such is the silky charm of the hon. Gentleman and the persuasiveness of his argument that even in th...
Lord Coaker | 514 c628 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with the Minister, but I think we would all agree that statementing has not always...
Mike Hancock | 514 c628 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way yet again. I entirely agree about the fallacy tha...
Lord Coaker | 514 c627-8 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair comment, like the point made by the hon. Member for Bristol North West (Charlotte Les...
John Hayes | 514 c628 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that the hon. Gentleman is making. My own points are, first, that that should...
Lord Coaker | 514 c627 (Link to this contribution) We discussed special schools and the number of special school places yesterday, but let me say this....
John Hayes | 514 c627 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his warm welcome. As he says, we go back a long way, and as ...
Charlotte Leslie | 514 c627 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has partly anticipated my question. Does he agree that our looking at how to cate...
Stephen Twigg | 514 c617 (Link to this contribution) I am being tempted to take a lot of interventions, but I understand that Members of all parties may ...
Graham Stuart | 514 c617 (Link to this contribution) Is it the hon. Gentleman's understanding that Building Schools for the Future would have carried on ...
Stephen Twigg | 514 c617 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely my understanding, and the figures that the Department for Children, Schools and F...
Nick Gibb | 514 c618-9 (Link to this contribution) The amendment would require the Secretary of State to consult local parents and children, local auth...
Lord Coaker | 514 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) I will be very brief, because I know that other things are taking place this afternoon. I will press...
John Pugh | 514 c617 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is not naturally credulous, but did he not see what happened to Building Colleges...
Stephen Twigg | 514 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman ought to see that the answer to his question has been given in the debate. The Go...
Lord Coaker | 514 c626 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good point. I mentioned yesterday that this is not simply a question of young people ...
David TC Davies | 514 c624 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Caton. It was impossible for myself and a number of other people to make the...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c624 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made his point very well, and I hope that hon. Members recognise that they ne...
Lord Coaker | 514 c624-6 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 71, page 3, line 7, at end add—
Dan Rogerson | 514 c612 (Link to this contribution) I am talking about the funding formula. As we have been talking about different parts of the country...
Toby Perkins | 514 c612 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the hon. Gentleman's comments because we in Derbyshire are also campaigning for m...
Dan Rogerson | 514 c611-2 (Link to this contribution) Personally—yes, absolutely—I am sceptical about this sort of additional provision. However, the coal...
Dan Rogerson | 514 c611 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship again, Mr Caton, as we debate in a little more det...
Derek Twigg | 514 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) Derek, even, Mr Caton. I am happy to be associated with my hon. Friend the Member for Liverpool, Wes...
Toby Perkins | 514 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) Just last week, I was able to visit Springwell community school, a school that is being rebuilt in S...
Derek Twigg | 514 c609 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point, which I shall come to when I ask the Minister how his handl...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c609 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have been indulgent, but interventions should be a lot shorter than that.
Dan Rogerson | 514 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not feel that there were people who thought exactly the same when the previo...
Stephen Twigg | 514 c616 (Link to this contribution) I strongly echo the closing remarks of the hon. Member for Portsmouth South (Mr Hancock), and I welc...
Stephen Twigg | 514 c617 (Link to this contribution) The difference on this occasion is that the schools affected have worked for years on a programme fo...
Mike Hancock | 514 c615 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely correct. It is strange how things can change and memories can lapse in ...
John Pugh | 514 c615 (Link to this contribution) Earlier, I was listening carefully to the hon. Member for Halton (Derek Twigg), who suggested that a...
Mike Hancock | 514 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) If any Member laughed, I would be angry. I feel that in the past 13 years we have wasted opportunity...
Derek Twigg | 514 c615 (Link to this contribution) It was the Member sitting behind the hon. Gentleman who was laughing, but he has now left the Chambe...
Ian Mearns | 514 c612-4 (Link to this contribution) I want to support the amendment and I am concerned about the implications of the Bill on the review ...
Mike Hancock | 514 c614-5 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, Mr Caton; I was rather taken aback. It must be something to do with men with beards. I ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c614 (Link to this contribution) I call Mike Hancock. [Interruption.] Mike Hancock?
Gavin Shuker | 514 c603 (Link to this contribution) The budgets of three schools in my constituency—among others—have been cut: Stopsley, Putteridge and...
Lord Coaker | 514 c603 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to draw attention to the devastating impact of the cuts in the Building Scho...
Luciana Berger | 514 c603 (Link to this contribution) May I ask my hon. Friend, very briefly, whether he agrees with what was said the other day by the ho...
Lord Coaker | 514 c604 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the point. If free schools are to be built, the money must be found somewhere, and t...
Luciana Berger | 514 c603 (Link to this contribution) The fact that 26 of our schools in Liverpool missed the boat and had their BSF projects cancelled wa...
Lord Coaker | 514 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend made a number of valuable contributions yesterday, and she is absolutely right to rem...
Pat Glass | 514 c602 (Link to this contribution) Is not one of the saddest aspects of the debate on Building Schools for the Future the fact that it ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c602 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Ms Primarolo. [Laughter.] The Government are seeking to save money by cutting the Buildi...
Derek Twigg | 514 c608 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly give way to a member of the coalition.
Derek Twigg | 514 c608 (Link to this contribution) I am surprised at that intervention, although I suppose I should not be. In the past 13 years, £24 m...
Mike Hancock | 514 c608 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly curious about the hon. Gentleman's comment that our schools deserve lavish expenditure...
Lord Coaker | 514 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I have debated other Bills—indeed, we have served on Bill Committees together...
Lord Coaker | 514 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an extremely good point. I was going to say that what is happening in respect o...
George Mudie | 514 c605 (Link to this contribution) I understand my hon. Friend's surprise, but the Government have form on this. We have just completed...
Derek Twigg | 514 c608 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker) will recall that we both made our maiden speec...
David Ward | 514 c606-8 (Link to this contribution) May I say how much I, as a new boy, have enjoyed the Committee stage and how useful I have found it ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c596 (Link to this contribution) Frankly, the reality is that it is not possible. What we are getting from the Secretary of State is ...
Mike Hancock | 514 c596-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He was very generous yesterday too, and the Comm...
Lord Coaker | 514 c599-600 (Link to this contribution) Not now! This is one of the good things about being in Committee—we can get excited and nobody reall...
Lord Coaker | 514 c600 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way first to my hon. Friend the Member for Swansea West (Geraint Davies).
Lord Coaker | 514 c597-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I often agree on education matters, but on this particular matter I do not ag...
Gordon Birtwistle | 514 c599 (Link to this contribution) The Labour party was famous for selling off school playing fields. To return to Building Schools for...
Lord Coaker | 514 c599 (Link to this contribution) I have already answered the point about money for schools. I suggest that the hon. Gentleman goes ro...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c600 (Link to this contribution) Order. This is an interesting and important debate, but it would help the Speaker and the Hansard wr...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c602 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that my name is all that difficult to pronounce. It is Pri-mar-olo. ““Dawn”” or ““Mis...
Lord Coaker | 514 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) I was not trying to suggest that PFI was a panacea for all ills, and I know that it has sometimes le...
David Ward | 514 c602 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. I was simply trying to catch Miss P's eye.
Lord Coaker | 514 c601 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly a possibility. If we change the regulations, anything is possible. The Minister wi...
Mike Hancock | 514 c601 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. With your indulgence, Dawn—[Hon. Members: ““Ooh!...
Lord Coaker | 514 c601 (Link to this contribution) I apologise. I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Swansea West.
Geraint Davies | 514 c601 (Link to this contribution) Given the Government's strategy for the use of disused sites, does my hon. Friend agree that there w...
David Evennett | 514 c595 (Link to this contribution) We will never look at the shadow Minister in the same way again.
Lord Coaker | 514 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) I know. Perhaps it is the way I speak. Anyway, it is a delight to be back here. It does not seem lon...
Lord Coaker | 514 c595 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 70, page 2, line 26, at end insert—
Derek Twigg | 514 c596 (Link to this contribution) Has my hon. Friend seen the podcast on the Department for Education website by the Secretary of Stat...
Nick Gibb | 514 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) In those circumstances, the contract would transfer under this clause, but the employment rights wou...
Jeremy Corbyn | 514 c684 (Link to this contribution) My point is that if there is a contract for, say, computer maintenance, with clear employment implic...
Iain Wright | 514 c685 (Link to this contribution) In the large amount of time I have available, I would like to say that the Minister has explained a ...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c659-60 (Link to this contribution) That is also an interesting point, for which I thank the hon. Gentleman. The Bill is essentially a ...
Graham Stuart | 514 c660-1 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to participate in the debate. It was also a pleasure to hear the maiden speeches of...
David Ward | 514 c659 (Link to this contribution) May I follow up on the point that the hon. Member for Kingswood (Chris Skidmore) made? I have heard ...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c659 (Link to this contribution) I certainly do. My hon. Friend is absolutely right that academies' record in that regard is good so ...
Ian Mearns | 514 c659 (Link to this contribution) A cumbersome aspect of that is that the Secretary of State's office could be inundated with individu...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c659 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether it was a speech, but the point is interesting and we should look into it. Of c...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c658 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. SEN is an emerging story—we all know that. The hon. Member for N...
Chris Skidmore | 514 c659 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that academies take more than their fair share of SEN pupils? In fact, man...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c658-9 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and such accountability is necessary and good, and we will find it in academies. Of course, we ...
Guy Opperman | 514 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to say that I agree absolutely, but I have great sympathy with the hon. Lady's argument, ...
Pat Glass | 514 c665 (Link to this contribution) No doubt the Minister will confirm this for me, but I understand that the YPLA is the rump of what w...
Guy Opperman | 514 c665 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief as well. Many would have liked to speak in this debate, but time is short. I pay tri...
Lord Barwell | 514 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) I will keep my remarks brief as I am conscious of the time and that the Committee wishes to hear the...
Graham Stuart | 514 c662-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister's compliment, which was not flattery—if I had said that it was, he wo...
John Hayes | 514 c662 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend underestimates himself: I have a very high regard for his imagination.
Graham Stuart | 514 c662 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation. I assume that in reality, the ““Secretary of Sta...
John Hayes | 514 c661-2 (Link to this contribution) Rather than waiting till I sum up, may I deal with that point head-on now? My hon. Friend, as Chair ...
Graham Stuart | 514 c661 (Link to this contribution) There is always an opportunity cost and people always have to make judgment calls. We need to know w...
Ian Mearns | 514 c661 (Link to this contribution) Having worked in the system and taken a number of cases to education appeals panels, I have often se...
Robert Buckland | 514 c658 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the problems with the amendment is that any assessment ignores...
Andrew Bridgen | 514 c658 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that pupils with special educational needs are very vulnerable to disrupti...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c658 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point. Three-tier systems are not particularly common, but where they exist I am sure...
Pauline Latham | 514 c656 (Link to this contribution) Sorry. Perhaps in time. I know that under the Academies Bill, special schools will not become academ...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's point is exactly correct; local authorities can and must start addressing those iss...
Lord Evans of Rainow | 514 c657 (Link to this contribution) I agree very much with my hon. Friend. I want to share what happened recently in one of the schools ...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry about that. I am deaf in my left ear, and I always assume that that is some excuse. Very ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c656 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Evans. Is there any way of sending out a notice that would enable hon. Membe...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c676 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment 66, in clause 8, in page 6, line 22, leave out ...
Iain Wright | 514 c677 (Link to this contribution) As I mentioned earlier, clauses 7 and 8 are significant elements of the Bill; they change dramatical...
Graham Stuart | 514 c677 (Link to this contribution) Why would a school that had built up such surpluses to provide a community facility for joint use su...
Iain Wright | 514 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) I am not suggesting at all that that would be the norm, but we could provide a control mechanism in ...
Graham Stuart | 514 c679 (Link to this contribution) May I take the hon. Gentleman back to TUPE and the speech last night by the hon. Member for Blaydon ...
Iain Wright | 514 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) I am not suggesting that there would automatically be any sort of change or reduction in terms and c...
Graham Stuart | 514 c678 (Link to this contribution) It is surely unfair to say that the clause moves resources to the private sector. We are talking abo...
Iain Wright | 514 c678 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Chair of the Education Committee and I entirely understand his point. Perhaps I should m...
Dan Rogerson | 514 c678 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman intends to discuss amendment 66, which is grouped with amen...
Iain Wright | 514 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) I will come to that, but I assure the hon. Gentleman that the amendments are not contradictory—they ...
Iain Wright | 514 c682 (Link to this contribution) That sounds like a potential nightmare, and an awful lot of work needs to be done on it. The impact ...
Tim Loughton | 514 c682 (Link to this contribution) Such negotiations are not only between the DFE and DCLG; it is also a Treasury matter. We have had d...
Iain Wright | 514 c680 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his clarification and welcome the fact that guidance will be provided. Can ...
Tim Loughton | 514 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not know. It is right for the hon. Gentleman to ask—we will give him the information as soon as...
Tim Loughton | 514 c680 (Link to this contribution) I seek to provide the shadow Minister with some reassurances on the various concerns that he has rai...
Nick Gibb | 514 c684 (Link to this contribution) In earlier debates we talked about TUPE. If staff are subject to the TUPE regulations, all the relev...
Nick Gibb | 514 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) Clause 8 gives the Secretary of State the power to make a scheme to transfer the property of a maint...
Jeremy Corbyn | 514 c684 (Link to this contribution) In this consultation, is there a specific undertaking given by the Government that in any transfer t...
Iain Wright | 514 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has clarified many of my concerns, but some remain. This is another example and illustr...
Iain Wright | 514 c683 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 65, page 6, line 38, at end add—
John Hayes | 514 c666-8 (Link to this contribution) We have had a long and interesting debate on this subject, have we not, Mr Evans? It has been a good...
Barry Gardiner | 514 c668 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the whole Committee will welcome the Minister's assurance, but he also mentioned a re...
John Hayes | 514 c668-70 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should bear in mind what I said a moment ago. We would not expect special schools...
Lord Coaker | 514 c670-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree very much with the Minister that this has been an excellent, high-quality debate. There were...
Iain Wright | 514 c672 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 61, page 5, line 22, leave out from 'proprietor' to end of line 23 and inser...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 514 c672 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 62, page 5, line 25, leave out '...
Tim Loughton | 514 c674 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to participate in this debate. These four amendments have been grouped together bec...
Iain Wright | 514 c674 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify something? If a decision is made by the Secretary of State following a rev...
Tim Loughton | 514 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman bears with me, there is a further explanation that might satisfy him. Decisio...
Tim Loughton | 514 c675 (Link to this contribution) I thought I had made this clear, but obviously I have not. The Secretary of State's decision is fina...
Iain Wright | 514 c675 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for confirming that. My fundamental concern about this aspect of the Bill remai...
Iain Wright | 514 c675 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for clarifying the situation, but I still am not entirely certain about the rig...
Tim Loughton | 514 c676 (Link to this contribution) To respond to the point made by the hon. Member for Islington North (Jeremy Corbyn), there are many ...
Iain Wright | 514 c676 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his contribution. I am keen for him to intervene again, because I still thi...
Jeremy Corbyn | 514 c675 (Link to this contribution) Is there not a problem with the lack of accountability of the Secretary of State? The Secretary of S...
Iain Wright | 514 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree with my hon. Friend. The Secretary of State has made it clear that he is keen to e...
Iain Wright | 514 c676 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 76, page 5, line 34, leave out from 'time' to end of line 36 and insert"'aft...
Dan Rogerson | 514 c676 (Link to this contribution) I am intrigued by this role reversal: the hon. Gentleman is standing up for the proprietor of the ac...
Iain Wright | 514 c676 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a fair and reasonable point. I am anxious to proceed with business; I want ...
Elizabeth Truss | 514 c634 (Link to this contribution) Are not the SEN requirements on the new academies more stringent than those for the academies that w...
Graham Stuart | 514 c630 (Link to this contribution) I think that I share some of the shadow Minister's concerns. Low incidence is not about the acutenes...
Lord Coaker | 514 c630 (Link to this contribution) I totally agree, and the hon. Gentleman makes his point very well. However, I am unclear about the l...
Robert Flello | 514 c626 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that there are far too many young people across the country who still hav...
Pat Glass | 514 c609 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that I am not the only person in the House who worked in education during the time of the ...
Lord Coaker | 514 c631 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. We will all wait to see what is said in the wind-up, because we are a...
Lord Coaker | 514 c626 (Link to this contribution) I will in a moment. Proposed new subsection 8A is very well intentioned, but clause 2(6) also state...
Nick Gibb | 514 c604 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know that there are 75 amendments and five new clauses on the amendment pape...
Neil Carmichael | 514 c656 (Link to this contribution) First, I pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border (Rory Stewart) for his ...
Iain Wright | 514 c672-4 (Link to this contribution) I begin by paying tribute to the Minister of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, ...

Subjects

Disability
Admissions
Costs
Buildings
Finance
Education
Facilities
Local government
Ministerial powers
Property transfer
Property
Pupils
Primary education
Standards
Special educational needs
Secondary education
Academies
Building schools for the future programme
Young People's Learning Agency
Free schools

Legislation

Academies Bill (HL) 2010-12

Link

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