Education Bill. Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 14 to 19 agreed to. New clause under consideration when sitting adjourned. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c212GC (Link to this contribution)
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Earl of Listowel | 729 c211GC (Link to this contribution)
79: After Clause 18, insert the following new Clause—
““Nursery staff development
Where nurseries ad...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c218GC (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I understand that they certainly would.
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c235GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that sympathetic reply and for his assurance that he will send me the terms...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c232GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak briefly as I am well aware of the frustration of the government whip, who ma...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c238-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have my name to one of these amendments and should have it to the other one as well. I a...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c239GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the debate on Amendment 83ZA be adjourned.
Motion agreed.
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c194-5GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had a useful debate and I was pleased to hear the comment that the noble Baroness,...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c212GC (Link to this contribution)
Yes. We will be seeing an update of this going on the whole time and, to my mind, it could not be a ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c212-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Earl, we are committed to a diverse and high-quality early years sector. Th...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c212GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, I support the broad thrust of my noble friend's amendments because this is quite ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c214-5GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, again the Government have pre-empted me by sending me this morning a very helpful e-mail d...
Lord Storey | 729 c215GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not seen the guidance, letter or e-mail, but I am grateful that this measure has be...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c213GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his helpful and careful reply and I thank my noble friend for sharing her e...
Lord Lucas | 729 c214GC (Link to this contribution)
82: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—
““Teacher performance
(1) If the head teacher ...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c216GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, lest my noble friend think that she is on her own, I am with her.
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c216GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to comment briefly and probably will be told off by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, in ...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c216GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was going to make some comments on the content of the amendment in the name of the noble...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c204-6GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much want to speak against Clause 18 stand part, and I will talk to the other amend...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c206-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also speak in favour of the comments made by my noble friend Lady Jones. Perhaps I might...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c207-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, and the noble Lord, Lord Knight, have both spoken cogentl...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c208-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is clear that everyone is agreed on the important contribution that school support staf...
Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 729 c209-10GC (Link to this contribution)
If things happen as have just been described and responsibility for working out these arrangements p...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may respond to that point because we want to get on. We are proposing the perpetuation of ...
Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 729 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
With the change in role and the scope of responsibility being exercised by the local authority being...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate and to the Ministe...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c211-2GC (Link to this contribution)
In moving my Amendment 79, I wish to speak also to my Amendments 80 and 81. They are fairly self-exp...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c218GC (Link to this contribution)
83: Before Clause 20, insert the following new Clause—
““Curriculum
The Secretary of State shall ens...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c218-20GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I salute schools which provide a broad and balanced curriculum and teachers who teach it. ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c220-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak in support of this proposed new clause, which I have also put my name to. It is a ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c216-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for the lack of the e-mail going round the entire Committee. Perhaps I may ind...
Baroness Howells of St Davids | 729 c218GC (Link to this contribution)
I may have missed it, but can the Minister say whether the teacher who is being disciplined will be ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c218GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend. I agree entirely with the noble Baroness, Lady Howells. This does ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c179GC (Link to this contribution)
74: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause—
““Physical contact between pupils and school s...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c180-1GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it may help the Committee if I speak at this stage. According to the news, this guidance a...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c181GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, from what I read of this guidance, it has a section on restraint of pupils who might be mi...
Lord Lucas | 729 c179-80GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 74 very briefly because apparently the Government have today co...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c180GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to raise an issue on the back of this amendment and ask the Minister to reply to it...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c181-2GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name has also been put to the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Lucas. I am delig...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c181GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we will be sending round guidance on that. My noble friend’s amendment includes different ...
Lord Elton | 729 c181GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend mentioned guidance to staff. I want to put into her mind that it is necessary to tal...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 729 c182GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am afraid that a Division has just been called in the Chamber. Although we have not hear...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 729 c182GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the 10 minutes have expired. Before we continue, the Committee has had a request from Hans...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c182-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords I have no difficulty or disagreement with anything that anyone has said so far. I very much...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c183GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may help the noble Baroness, which would be unusual from my position to hers. Th...
Lord Moynihan | 729 c183-4GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my friend in sport, my noble friend Lady Massey, will not be surprised to see me rise to a...
Lord Storey | 729 c184GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I echo what the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, has said. My concern is that physical contact...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c184-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I support what has been said. It is a theme across children’s services that many practitioners feel ...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c185GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support what the noble Baroness, Lady Perry, said about the wonderful work that teachers do ...
Bishop of Chester | 729 c185GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to pick up the reference of the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, to professionalism. Over...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c188-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend says from a sedentary position that it does not sound like the Secretary of State, b...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c188GC (Link to this contribution)
That does not sound like him.
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c187-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 76 repeats the amendment that we debated regarding the General Teaching Council ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c187GC (Link to this contribution)
76: Clause 14, page 22, line 32, at end insert—
““( ) This section shall only come into force if its...
Lord Lucas | 729 c186-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Government. It is exactly the answer that I had hoped for and I look ...
Lord Elton | 729 c186GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the noble Baroness assure us that the long version will be withdrawn and that the shor...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c186GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall not respond to all the points made in this useful debate but I would draw out one ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c186GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I ought to say a brief word about that as president of the National Governors’ Ass...
Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 729 c185-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I wish to refer to a body of people who have not been mentioned in the debate thus far but are menti...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c192-4GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have never been accused of being Maoist and believing in permanent revolution before. In...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the Minister clarify one further point? There is concern that the Government imposed ...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c194GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the TDA has undertaken excellent work in raising equality in schools. Recruitment from BME...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c194GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, just before he does, I thank the Minister for his reply, particularly for what he said abo...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c191GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief and, I hope, to the point; I want to record my support for the remarks of ...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c190-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to Amendment 78, which is in my name, and to support Amendment 76, to which I have a...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I echo a number of the points that have been made and emphasise the question back to the M...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 729 c191-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I have quite a lot of sympathy with the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Knight. As others have sai...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c189-90GC (Link to this contribution)
COI is the Central Office of Information, a substantial agency that works across government in order...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c189GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may ask what the initials COI stand for.
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 729 c199GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a Division has been called. The Committee will adjourn for 10 minutes.
Sitting suspended ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c198-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a timely debate—only the week before last the department published its strategy fo...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c198GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hesitate to speak, but the amendments raise very important issues about the teaching pro...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c195GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 76A in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Walmsley. ...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c195GC (Link to this contribution)
76ZB: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—
““First principle in funding teacher educati...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c197-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I question all three amendments. I do so because this is a thread running throughout the B...
Lord Rix | 729 c197GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords I rise to speak to Amendment 77 in my name, which is also concerned with teacher training. ...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c196-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I think that on the first part of the premise the noble Lord is absolutely right. Sadly, in this cou...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c195GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when the noble Baroness met her friends from Finland, I wonder whether she had similar ans...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c203-4GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to our opposition to the Question that Clause 18 stand part of the Bill. W...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c202GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to Amendment 78B. Clause 18 abolishes the School Support Staff Negotiating Body. ...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c202GC (Link to this contribution)
78A: Clause 18, page 25, line 26, at beginning insert ““Subject to subsection (3),””
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c200GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the Minister’s patience with me. I am interested in his view of the bachelor of ed...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c199-200GC (Link to this contribution)
As I was saying, the Training our Next Generation of Outstanding Teachers document says: "““There is...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c201GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his helpful response. My starting point in response is to pick up the comme...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c200GC (Link to this contribution)
As the noble Lord knows, we are keen to encourage people into teaching via a variety of routes, whet...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c201GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall not speak for my noble friend any further. We are back in Whitehall farce territory. I apolo...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c201GC (Link to this contribution)
He is behind you.
Lord Rix | 729 c202GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his lengthy response to this amendment. I will take it back to the Special ...
Lord Rix | 729 c201GC (Link to this contribution)
77: Clause 17, page 25, line 23, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of State shall monitor the teach...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c235GC (Link to this contribution)
I should not have mentioned that. I agree about teacher professionalism. I am glad that expert group...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c235GC (Link to this contribution)
83ZA: Before Clause 20, insert the following new Clause—
““Technology in schools
(1) The Secretary o...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c233GC (Link to this contribution)
I hear what my noble friend said. She is a very formidable person and I have some trepidation in hav...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c233-5GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief in my response as I am very conscious that there are a number of noble Lor...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c233GC (Link to this contribution)
That is not the intention of the amendment. I have no problem with faith schools, provided that they...
Lord Elton | 729 c233GC (Link to this contribution)
Can I ask whoever has got that telephone next to their microphone to move it because those of us usi...
Baroness Howells of St Davids | 729 c232GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. I do this because most people have concentrated on the curriculum...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c240GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 3.45 pm.
Lord Elton | 729 c240GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may make an observation, and a plea. We have heard some fascinating speeches tod...
Lord Colwyn | 729 c237GC (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord is not about to wind up, I think that we probably do not have time to get through ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c237-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have made the case that technology is crucial in supporting the curriculum today and not...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c236GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am conscious of the time and of a message from the Front Bench that I should be as brief...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c236-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I meant the other bishop—the secular bishop.
Electricity is considered a very important part of del...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c223-4GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to make very brief comments as I intend to say more about the curriculum when...
Lord Moynihan | 729 c227GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is absolutely right. If you assess the success of Beijing, regrettably, we were heavi...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c227GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord obviously speaks with great passion and expertise on these matters. However, to some ...
Lord Moynihan | 729 c224-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having sat through the previous three sessions of this Committee waiting for this amendmen...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c224GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thoroughly support the idea of balance in schools and education, but there is a differen...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c231GC (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Lord about 14, but I am interested to hear that he would keep a national curr...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 729 c230-1GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, could I thank the noble Baroness for the kind words that she said about me and fashioning ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c230GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for intervening. We are hearing some tremendous speeches, but they are more Se...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c227-30GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I find myself in the position of agreeing with a little of what everyone so far has said, ...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 729 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not support everything that the present Government do. I think a lot of what they are doing is ...
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