Equality Bill (HL). Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 9-29 agreed to. Clause 30 under consideration. (Part 2 of 3).
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 673 c919 (Link to this contribution)
I do not wish to detain the Committee. I wish only that I could take as friendly a view of the Bill ...
Lord De Mauley | 673 c919-21 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 85:"Page 4, line 23, at end insert ““, and"
(e) promote awareness and unders...
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Lord Ampthill | 673 c918 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the Committee that, if Amendment No. 83 is agreed to, I cannot called Amendment No. 84, whi...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c918-9 (Link to this contribution)
I fear that it is the noble Lord, Lord Peyton of Yeovil, and I who will debate the issues. The first...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 673 c923 (Link to this contribution)
Having heard what the Minister has said, I am wiser and therefore seek leave to withdraw the amendme...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 673 c923-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 93:"Page 5, line 19, leave out ““the involuntary isolation of”” and insert ““seg...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c924 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness for explaining her concerns. In fact, this is a term that parlia...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c922 (Link to this contribution)
I say to the noble Lord, Lord de Mauley, that we agree that it is important for people to take their...
Lord De Mauley | 673 c922 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lester, for his comments, which are worthy of our careful consideration...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 673 c922-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 86:"Page 4, line 30, at end insert—"
““( ) In determining what action to t...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c923 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, for raising this issue again. I understand her co...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c921 (Link to this contribution)
It is well established in human rights case law, international and domestic, that a fair balance mus...
Lord Northbourne | 673 c921-2 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Lester, always puts us right on the law. Surely there is an argument that most ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c922 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Lord. Human rights are not absolute. Of course, there are responsibilities, b...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c930-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for her helpful reply. I am also grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c931-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 102:"Page 6, line 29, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert—"
““(a) th...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c929 (Link to this contribution)
These powers seem more interfering than in the old anti-discrimination legislation because the Gover...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c929-30 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lester, for raising the issue of the context of this debate in...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c927-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 101:"Page 6, line 15, leave out subsection (3)."
The noble Lord said: Amendment...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c928-9 (Link to this contribution)
In this series of amendments, the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, and other noble Lords seek to either re...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c926 (Link to this contribution)
I totally agree that the commission should have the power to comment independently on the performanc...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c926-7 (Link to this contribution)
We agree on the end; the only question is whether, technically, the end is being achieved. I shall r...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 673 c924-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister will know my views on Clause 11 and communities as they are lumped together i...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c925-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 100:"Page 6, line 14, at end insert—"
““(e) participate in reporting process...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c932 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with everything that has been said by the noble Baroness. The Minister said previously that ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c933 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, because his endorsement of what I said may have c...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c932-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that the noble Lords who have spoken enjoyed this clause so much. Elements of the cla...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c934-5 (Link to this contribution)
I have considerable sympathy with the intention behind the amendment. I also know not only from our ...
Lord De Mauley | 673 c933 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 7, line 15, leave out paragraph (d)."
The noble Lord said: In moving ...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c935 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 8, line 13, leave out subsection (4)."
The noble Lord said: I can be ...
Lord De Mauley | 673 c935 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her response and acknowledge the convenience for business of bringing toget...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c936 (Link to this contribution)
On that basis, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
[Amendments ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c935-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, particularly for not moving the amendments with which I would find ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 673 c936-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 114:"Page 9, line 18, at end insert ““, and"
““(c) may enter into arrangemen...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c937-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, and I recognise that the CAB has been helpful to her in putting...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 673 c938-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for what she has said. I am sure that it will be reassuring to those who are co...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c938 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Earl returns to a theme that, I know, he feels strongly about. In resisting the amendment,...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c938 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said it was right for the commission to discuss with other bodies a way to put things r...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c938 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is right to raise that issue, which, I think, we will talk about later in the Bill. I...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c940-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lester, for spelling out what the law has already said about t...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c940 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, is deeply knowledgeable about these matters, and I am sur...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c939-40 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that noble Lords will forgive me for having to say something about law. The amendment is not ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c939 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 117:"Page 11, line 7, leave out ““suspects”” and insert ““has reasonable grounds...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c942 (Link to this contribution)
Just before that happens, the noble Baroness said that she would not want there to be a higher level...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c942 (Link to this contribution)
It is my fault. The Law Lords made it clear, as the Minister has now explained, that the threshold r...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c942 (Link to this contribution)
First, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lester, for explaining the legal provision that it is not necess...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c946 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be reasonably brief because there is an interesting and ongoing debate about how best to dea...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c945-6 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I speak on behalf of my noble friend Lady Lockwood to support the points raised by the noble ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c946 (Link to this contribution)
I shall indeed. The EOC would also like the unnecessary barnacles taken off.
Clause 26 agreed to.
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Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c943-4 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point of these amendments, as moved by my noble friend Lady Gibson. I sympathise wi...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c942-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 120:"Page 11, line 40, at beginning insert ““require or””"
The noble Baroness s...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c944-5 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 26 gives the commission power to apply to the court to tackle persistent discrimination and t...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c944 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend for that helpful reply. The noble Baronesses who tabled the amendment but ar...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 673 c947 (Link to this contribution)
As another ex-member of the EOC—it is quite a club that we are becoming—I very much support the nobl...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c947 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment. If the commission is to act strategically, it is important that it have the...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c946-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 129:"Page 17, line 2, leave out from ““Commission”” to ““if”” in line 3 and inse...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c947 (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend on the amendments. I speak also as a former member of the EOC. My recollec...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c952 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, says that it is the duty of the commission to ensure comp...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c951 (Link to this contribution)
The provisions in Clause 30 go back 30 years to the Sex Discrimination and Race Relations Acts. Th...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c950-1 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister be good enough to give some consideration and thought to my noble friend’s amendme...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c948-50 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 130:"Page 17, line 5, leave out from ““enactments”” to end of line 7."
The nobl...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c948 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend for those explanations which have convinced me that I will be able to withdr...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c947-8 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome this opportunity to put on the record why we are not placing the commission under an expre...
Baroness Crawley | 673 c955 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can intervene at this moment. I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving the Motio...
Lord Lyell | 673 c955 (Link to this contribution)
We come to Amendment No. 132. I advise the Committee that if Amendment No. 132 were accepted, I woul...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c955 (Link to this contribution)
This has been quite a long debate on two amendments. First, I should like to thank the noble Lord, L...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c954-5 (Link to this contribution)
I could not agree more. Support is absolutely what it should do. I recognise also that in cases of d...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, I think that they are good resources. I am glad that the noble Earl agrees with that. Of cou...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
I have one more question. The noble Baroness has frequently used the word ““support””. I agree with ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
I did not mean to say that. I was saying that of the resources only a tiny proportion ever goes on t...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness agree that £70 million is not slender resources compared with the resource...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure the noble Lord is right, as always, on the point of law. On the budget, we have increased ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness agree with me that if the commission misuses its powers to give assistance i...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c953-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness. Would she be kind enough to address her mind to the specific example whi...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c952-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is an interesting debate, and it reveals different views about how the commission will operate. I...
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 673 c918 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 83:"Page 4, line 18, leave out paragraph (a)."
The noble Lord said: I can move ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c954 (Link to this contribution)
I shall think about the noble Lord’s point. It relates to cases where, in a sense, the discriminatio...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c938 (Link to this contribution)
At the moment, the Equal Opportunities Commission cannot share information with the Commission for R...
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