Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1-36 agreed, with clauses 28, 34 and 35 agreed to as amended. New clauses (Amendments 29 and 34) debated and agreed to. New clauses (Amendments 1, 33 and 39) debated and withdrawn.
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c301 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply, which, in a nutshell, was that progress is being made slowly, w...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c301 (Link to this contribution)
If I may, I will write to the noble Baroness about that. I find that I get in terrible trouble when ...
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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c301 (Link to this contribution)
I would be very grateful if the Minister would do that. In the mean time, I thank him for his helpfu...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c302 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 33: Powers to modify enactments
Amendment 40
40: Clause 33, page 24, line 28, at end insert...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c302-3 (Link to this contribution)
The government amendments in this group make changes to Clauses 34 and 35 of Part 1. The changes are...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c302 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 34: Power to make supplementary etc. provision
Amendment 41
41: Clause 34, page 24, line 40...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c302 (Link to this contribution)
This small amendment would ensure that there is proper scrutiny of the actions of the Secretary of S...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c302 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 40 withdrawn....
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c302 (Link to this contribution)
The Government agree that the order-making power under Clause 33 should be subject to the affirmativ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c303-4 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 35: Subordinate legislation
Amendments 42 to 44
42: Clause 35, page 25, line 24, leave out ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c292 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 36 withdrawn.
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c292-3 (Link to this contribution)
Debate on whether Clause 26 should stand part of the Bill.
Going back to the matters we were discu...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c293 (Link to this contribution)
What I am really asking is this. Earlier today we had a long discussion about tax revenue customs re...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c293 (Link to this contribution)
I am not quite clear on the question. All I can say is that the chief inspector will cover the entir...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c293 (Link to this contribution)
I have no problem with the general customs functions. What I am interested in is what is being allud...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c293 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the answer is that it is a generic term for general customs functions and revenue custo...
Lord Avebury | 708 c293 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 28: Complaints and misconduct
Amendment 37
37: Clause 28, page 20, line 34, at end insert—
...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c293 (Link to this contribution)
It is probably best if I send the noble Lord an explanatory note to make sure that we are absolutely...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c295-6 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 28 extends the regulation-making powers of the Secretary of State in Section 41 of the Police...
Lord Avebury | 708 c293-4 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment would allow the IPCC to entertain complaints about acts of HMRC and UKBA officials and...
Lord Avebury | 708 c296-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister for the information. As I understand it, if the complaint relates...
Lord Hylton | 708 c296 (Link to this contribution)
It seems to me that the Minister has not covered the oversight of contractors who are escorting peop...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c297-8 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 39
39: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause—
““Complaints and misconduct: Nor...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c297 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 38
38: Clause 28, page 20, line 37, after ““functions)”” insert ““—
(a) after subsection ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c297 (Link to this contribution)
I would be very happy about that. If the noble Lord takes a look at whether the Prisons and Probatio...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c297 (Link to this contribution)
I gather from my Box that the IPCC jurisdiction does not cover detention in the escorting of prisone...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c300-1 (Link to this contribution)
I shall answer the question of the noble Lord, Lord Brooke, first because it is a short one. The ans...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c300 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for having introduced the subject of Northern Ireland somewhat earlier th...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c298-9 (Link to this contribution)
This morning, the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commissioners were here in the Palace of Westminster...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c290 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very good question, and I will try to resolve exactly what would be the status. On that ba...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c290 (Link to this contribution)
I am so sorry, but may I intervene? I do not know how we can accept an amendment on which the noble ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c289 (Link to this contribution)
May I puzzle a bit more on this? If these holding centres are already there, I am not quite sure whe...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c289-90 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I cannot give an exact answer to the noble Baroness. I know that the reasoning behi...
Lord Avebury | 708 c290 (Link to this contribution)
When the Minister responds to us, perhaps he could consider the case that I mentioned where illegal ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c288 (Link to this contribution)
This takes us back very smartly to considering the need for the previous amendment, which is to be l...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c288 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has answered one of my questions, which is how short term is short term. Some of the ot...
Lord Hylton | 708 c288 (Link to this contribution)
One can understand that there might be a need for a short-term holding facility for a few hours wher...
Lord Avebury | 708 c288-9 (Link to this contribution)
I supposed that there would be some explanation of a short-term holding facility in Part 8 of the Im...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 708 c290 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister moved the amendment and I had to put the Question to the Committee.
Clause 24 agreed.
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c292 (Link to this contribution)
So far as I am aware, the extra resources to enable him to carry out that function have been made av...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c292 (Link to this contribution)
In a quick answer on the first point raised by the noble Baroness, it is a direct lift so that is co...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c292 (Link to this contribution)
I asked the Minister specifically about resources—whether extra resources will be made available, pr...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c291 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 26: Inspections by the Chief Inspector of the UK Border Agency
Amendment 36
36: Clause 26, ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c291-2 (Link to this contribution)
We now turn to the inspectorate—the Chief Inspector of the UK Border Agency. I had been going to ask...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c291 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness proposed in Amendment 1 a new clause that would have created a UK border police f...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c291 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for his reply. The first part did not relate to the amendment. The amendment ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c290 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 25: Facilities and services
Amendment 35
35: Clause 25, page 17, line 41, after ““make”” in...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c290-1 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment is intended to probe what facilities and services will be made available to any person...
Lord Avebury | 708 c264-6 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, will say a few words on this amendment, part of which is ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c266 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord’s amendment, which replicates many of the concerns that I raised under the ...
Earl of Sandwich | 708 c266 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, for jumping the gun. This is precisely what I was aimin...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c266 (Link to this contribution)
This is a de minimis point, but just as the price of liberty is eternal vigilance so the same applie...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c263 (Link to this contribution)
It is not that we object to the extension of PACE to officers; it is that we are concerned that thes...
Lord Avebury | 708 c263 (Link to this contribution)
We are grateful to the Minister for his letter about these amendments, but we note that only the PAC...
Earl of Sandwich | 708 c264 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, has mentioned concerns. I should like to mention concerns about sec...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c264 (Link to this contribution)
I need to clarify that there is no extension: the officials affected by this amendment will be carry...
Lord Avebury | 708 c264 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 22: Investigations and detentions: England and Wales and Northern Ireland
Amendment 30
30: ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c287 (Link to this contribution)
I am taking government Amendments 34 and 125 together, as they are related. They are linked to the p...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c287 (Link to this contribution)
I am always very happy to have enlightenment on these matters. I am happy to withdraw the amendment,...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c287 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 34
34: After Clause 23, insert the following new Clause—
““Short-term holding facilities
...
Lord Avebury | 708 c268 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I cannot take great satisfaction in the noble Lord’s reply. Although he tells us th...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c268 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 32
32: Clause 22, page 15, line 42, at end insert—
““( ) An order under this section may ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c266-8 (Link to this contribution)
The effect of Amendment 30 would be to place a duty on the Secretary of State to make an order apply...
Lord Avebury | 708 c286 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, this amendment repeats the powers of detention that UKBA officials already have ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c286-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lords for those two points. They have raised a couple of issues that I was not qui...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c285-6 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 33
33: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause—
““Detention
(1) A designated imm...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c286 (Link to this contribution)
This follows on from our earlier discussion on PACE. Under the UK Borders Act 2007, PACE applies for...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c252 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 14: Use and disclosure of customs information
Amendment 23
23: Clause 14, page 9, line 11, ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c252-3 (Link to this contribution)
We touched briefly on these amendments when we went through the clause stand part debates, but I tur...
Lord Avebury | 708 c253 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments would tighten up the provisions in the Bill for the disclosure of customs informati...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c253-4 (Link to this contribution)
The data sharing issues raise considerable concerns, some of which have been outlined by the noble B...
Lord Hylton | 708 c251 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that there is a fear that some of those coming into the country from Latin America may be ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c250-1 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for coming back again but the noble Baroness has jogged my memory. I am sorry that the n...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c252 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for a reasonably detailed reply. I did not expect him to go through the whole t...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c251-2 (Link to this contribution)
A raft of points has been made. First, I was delighted that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, pointed...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c250 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister replies, I wonder whether I can turn to a matter that the noble Lord, Lord Rober...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c250 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness who has raised such interesting issues comes back, may I ask a couple of q...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c249-50 (Link to this contribution)
I now have an answer to the question posed by the noble Lord, Lord Brooke. Apparently, the Governmen...
Lord Hylton | 708 c248-9 (Link to this contribution)
What the noble Lord, Lord Roberts of Llandudno, just said reinforces the point that I was trying to ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 708 c249 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, back the amendment. The more one looks at it, the more one sees that there is a need to unde...
Lord Avebury | 708 c248 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has raised an extremely important matter and we support the amendments. The provi...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c248 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support the amendment. I imagine that the job of an immigration officer can be very stressfu...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c247-8 (Link to this contribution)
We have skated around the question of training on and off this afternoon, but these amendments direc...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c247 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 12: Designation: supplementary
Amendment 21
21: Clause 12, page 8, line 37, leave out ““the...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c247 (Link to this contribution)
I hear the Minister's reply; I accept what he says; I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendmen...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c247 (Link to this contribution)
We feel it is important to specify who the Director of Border Revenue can designate as a customs rev...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c246 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment probes a little more into what officers will do and asks why immigration officers or ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c259 (Link to this contribution)
Again, that is a reassuring reply and I thank the Minister for it. I beg leave to withdraw the amend...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c257 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 25
25: Clause 14, page 9, line 21, leave out paragraph (f)
Baroness Hanham | 708 c257 (Link to this contribution)
I shall leave the matter for the moment. I am deeply unconvinced, which is not a position I usually ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c258 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid again I must resist this amendment. The UK Border Agency or the border force must have f...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c257-8 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 25 and 26 would limit the people to whom disclosures may be made to designated customs of...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c259 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 15: Prohibition on disclosure of personal customs information
Amendment 27
27: Clause 15, p...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c259 (Link to this contribution)
Again I am afraid I must resist this amendment. The statutory duty of confidentiality in Clause 15 s...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c259 (Link to this contribution)
This would remove the exemption from the prohibition of disclosure of personal customs information w...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c257 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot resist the thought that it must be lovely to be a dog handler.
Baroness Hanham | 708 c257 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 11—““Designation of customs revenue officials””—states: "““The Director of Border Revenue may...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c257 (Link to this contribution)
I want to make absolutely certain that what I said was correct. We have customs and revenue officers...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c254-6 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 14 will provide the border force with the ability to pool its customs information internally ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c254 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to rise again, but I think that the Minister may need to get a reply to this point. Perha...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c254 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to ask a question which is wholly incidental to these amendments. Is it a term of art or is t...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c256 (Link to this contribution)
The only thing wrong with that is that there is not an individual revenue officer. There are customs...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c256 (Link to this contribution)
I thought we had clarified earlier who all these people were. We have a customs revenue officer, who...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c256 (Link to this contribution)
I should make it clear to the noble Baroness that I never give up completely. In the bulk of these p...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c256 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister gives up completely, there seems to be a lacuna in the list which I hope he can ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c230-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for going through that. It was a rather convoluted way of getting a pretty gene...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c235 (Link to this contribution)
I have sympathy with what the noble Baroness is saying. As I said earlier, the revenue customs matte...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c231 (Link to this contribution)
We start now on the more detailed scrutiny and consideration of the Bill. Some areas may already hav...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c231 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 1: General customs functions of the Secretary of State
3: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave ou...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c233 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for a short exercise in parsing, but the Minister may be able to help me by confirming t...
Lord Avebury | 708 c232-3 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness’s amendment allows us to explore what powers and functions immigration officers w...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c234 (Link to this contribution)
I wholly understand that. I have no problem with understanding the revenue functions. Money launderi...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c233 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord was referring somewhat to points raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, in terms ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c235 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has tried very hard to help us. However, he is handicapped by the fact that neither he ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c234 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that I can off the top of my head. Clearly, there is confusion. If I may, I would lik...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c235 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to the Minister for saying that he will do that. ““General customs matters””...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c235-6 (Link to this contribution)
They are different, but they are functions exercised by customs officers. The ““general customs matt...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c236 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has raised further interesting points. One issue, which goes back to our debate o...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c236 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 4, 9 and 18, which make up this group, are also probing amendments, designed to find out ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c236 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 4
4: Clause 1, page 2, line 19, after ““applies”” insert ““only””
Baroness Hanham | 708 c236 (Link to this contribution)
I would be grateful if the Minister would do that. We are likely to return to this matter at the nex...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c239 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 3: Designation of general customs officials
Amendment 6
6: Clause 3, page 3, line 17, leave...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c238 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. As I said, many of these amendments are probing. The purpose of...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c237-8 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 1 already expressly limits the general customs function that the Secretary of State may exerc...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c237 (Link to this contribution)
I ask this only to test whether I have understood the text of the Bill correctly. I am looking at th...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c239 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 6 and 8 probe—they may refer to what we have already discussed, but I hope that the Commi...
Lord Avebury | 708 c239 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister tell us in which other enactments powers conferred on any Secretary of State are ex...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c239-41 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may first answer the last question. It is quite usual for a designated official below a Se...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c243-4 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the amendment is wholly necessary. Perhaps I am alone in this Chamber in not having rea...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c243 (Link to this contribution)
We want to ensure that there is a clear, single and unified command structure, achieving the main ob...
Viscount Bridgeman | 708 c244 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 7: Customs revenue functions of the Director
Amendment 16
16: Clause 7, page 5, line 11, le...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c241 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord again for his response and helpful explanation, some of which is essential. O...
Lord Avebury | 708 c242-3 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that it had been generally known prior to Second Reading that Lyn Homer was to be appointe...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c241-2 (Link to this contribution)
We turn now to a very important post that has been brought into this part of government regulation: ...
Viscount Bridgeman | 708 c245 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation. The internal organisation of UKBA is one thing t...
Viscount Bridgeman | 708 c245 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 9: Delegation of Director's functions
Amendment 19
19: Clause 9, page 6, line 38, leave out...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c244-5 (Link to this contribution)
Although the arrangements that we are putting in place allow flexibility, the border force will have...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c246 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 11: Designation of customs revenue officials
Amendment 20
20: Clause 11, page 7, line 25, l...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c246 (Link to this contribution)
I am not aware that that response has happened, so I thank the noble Lord and take notice.
Clause 9...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c246 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may intervene briefly. I should have done this under Clause 8 and I am not in any way seek...
Viscount Bridgeman | 708 c246 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply, having given him the opportunity to make it, but the sentiments ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c245-6 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly will provide a note to explain that; it was explained to me only earlier today, as I was...
Viscount Bridgeman | 708 c245 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment would limit the powers of the Director of Border Revenue to delegate functions to tho...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c222 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful for that answer. Perhaps I may ask one supplementary question. How many airports ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c222 (Link to this contribution)
I was afraid that the noble Lord would ask that. I do not know the exact answer but I hope that I wi...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c222 (Link to this contribution)
The issues that I raised related to whether certain clauses should stand part, and we may not return...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c221 (Link to this contribution)
Can I pick the Minister’s brains a little more about this? I can see that in the future there will b...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c221-2 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know off the top of my head exactly, but I am sure that I am about to get input from the Bo...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c222-3 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I got to Clauses 11 to 13. Those clauses set out arrangements for enabling the Director...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c223-4 (Link to this contribution)
Does the existing legislation also include the Commissioners for Revenue and Customs Act 2005? I was...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c224 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps it would be useful if I were to ask my question now, rather than interrupt the Minister agai...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c228 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is kindly going through all the clauses not knowing where I might challenge them on a c...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c228-30 (Link to this contribution)
I do not have that information at my fingertips. Perhaps I may await advice from the Box and then co...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c225-8 (Link to this contribution)
If any of the rules in Clause 16 on exceptions is broken and the information is then given to anyone...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c224 (Link to this contribution)
I was simply asking, especially because of the importance of the issue of the defence of the realm, ...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c224-5 (Link to this contribution)
As far as I am aware, within the new structure we will try to avoid Buggins’s turn and go for the be...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c224 (Link to this contribution)
I am in no way seeking to piggy-back on the Front Bench of either opposition party, but I have anoth...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c224 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but would the noble Lord be so kind as to repeat the final question?
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 708 c230 (Link to this contribution)
After an hour and nearly 40 minutes, the amendment currently before the Committee is Amendment 2 as ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c230 (Link to this contribution)
We are most grateful to the Minister for giving that detailed explanation of all the clauses that ar...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 708 c209-10 (Link to this contribution)
I support the Liberal Democrat amendment which is far more positive than the amendment proposed by t...
Lord Dear | 708 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
In supporting the amendment, I refer to my service in the police for over 30 years until about 12 or...
Lord Hylton | 708 c210 (Link to this contribution)
I am not at all clear how either of these two amendments would make for a distinct boundary between ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c210 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend Lord Avebury gave a good explanation of our position, which has just been reinforced...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c205-6 (Link to this contribution)
This first part of the Bill is one of its most important aspects and my amendments make it clear tha...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c205 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 1
1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—
““Establishment of UK Border Polic...
Lord Avebury | 708 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
We share the ultimate objective proposed by the noble Baroness of a unified border force, but our at...
Lord Avebury | 708 c207 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 2 (to Amendment 1)
2: Leave out lines 4 to 10 and insert—
““(2) The UK Border Police Forc...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 708 c211 (Link to this contribution)
I very much support the establishment of a UK border police force and in particular I support the sp...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c211-2 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister responds, I had hoped that some of the Members of the Committee would widen out ...
Lord Avebury | 708 c212 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Baroness that we should be discussing whether Clauses 1 to 36 should stand pa...
Lord Avebury | 708 c221 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for the explanation that the noble Lord has given. Immigration officers who carry...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c221 (Link to this contribution)
I speak more in terms of the actual work involved in administration and elsewhere. Generally—I had b...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c220-1 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister says that this will not mean that you will have to go through two checks but I cannot q...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c219-20 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if I was going into too much detail on some of these clauses. Rather than drilling down o...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c219 (Link to this contribution)
Because of the way this is being done—this is not at the Government’s insistence; I think it is at o...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c215-9 (Link to this contribution)
I disagree with the noble Baroness. I was hoping to get across how closely the police work with the ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c215 (Link to this contribution)
I have been listening with fascination to the Minister’s thesis. Why are the police still being left...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c212-5 (Link to this contribution)
I should make clear at the outset that in speaking to this group I do not regard the decisions on th...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c221 (Link to this contribution)
The officers who come across from HMRC will have to have been cleared, in the sense that the Secreta...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c260-1 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 29
29: After Clause 21, insert the following new Clause—
““Application of the PACE orders...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c222 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has hit on a very important area, which is of great concern at times. I always say th...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c225 (Link to this contribution)
To pick up on Clause 18 and the offence of wrongful disclosure, presumably it would be wrong to disc...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 708 c302 (Link to this contribution)
We agree with those remarks. It is a point that both Opposition Benches make frequently about almost...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c296 (Link to this contribution)
It has always been intended that territorial extent should be limited to UK territory. Presumably th...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c262-3 (Link to this contribution)
I shall deal with government amendments 29 and 32 together as they are related. In bringing Revenue ...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c258 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. It is reassuring that contractors will be covered by t...
Baroness Hanham | 708 c241 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 6: The Director of Border Revenue
Amendment 11
11: Clause 6, page 5, line 3, leave out ““mu...
Viscount Bridgeman | 708 c244 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to Amendment 17. These amendments are designed to probe what customs and revenue ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c222 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask one question from a position of what I would call chronological ignorance? It is more than...
Lord West of Spithead | 708 c289 (Link to this contribution)
The short-term holding facilities are UKBA accommodation that we currently use for the short-term de...
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