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Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 13 December 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Hain. The answering member was David Lidington.

Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on Report, Third Reading and any other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

454 c893-975

Session

2006-07

Proceeding contributions

David Simpson | 454 c961 (Link to this contribution) They always leave the best wine to the last.

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c960 (Link to this contribution) The real Unionists!

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Lady Hermon | 454 c960-1 (Link to this contribution) The alternative Unionists. I hope that they also respect fundamental human rights. It is a curiosity...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c959 (Link to this contribution) Cloud cuckoo land.

Lady Hermon | 454 c959 (Link to this contribution) Moving swiftly on to the second curious aspect of the Bill, there is another inherent contradiction ...

Paul Goggins | 454 c958 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has strong views on the matter, but she knows from her involvement in the legislation ...

Lady Hermon | 454 c959 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister, but is he saying that the office of the DPP did not have enough ...

Lady Hermon | 454 c958 (Link to this contribution) The Minister nods, but I can tell him for free that that is absolutely shameful. In the face of repe...

Lady Hermon | 454 c958 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister. May I paraphrase what he has just indicated to the House? Even t...

Paul Goggins | 454 c958 (Link to this contribution) indicated assent.

Lady Hermon | 454 c957 (Link to this contribution) I am enormously grateful for that intervention. I do not always agree with the Superintendents Assoc...

Lady Hermon | 454 c957-8 (Link to this contribution) Please, no—definitely not! I will never say East Belfast again! I am quite content that the hon. Gen...

Paul Goggins | 454 c958 (Link to this contribution) I shall do my best to try to shed some light on the matter. As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of...

Lady Hermon | 454 c956 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. He is absolutely right, in that I have complete co...

Mark Durkan | 454 c956 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Lady been able to find where in the Bill provision is made for the DPP to specify in th...

Lady Hermon | 454 c956-7 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that intervention and the hon. Gentleman is right. Unless my eyesight has deteriorated ...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c957 (Link to this contribution) Would not a real danger arise if the Government were to go down the route that the hon. Lady suggest...

Paul Goggins | 454 c973-4 (Link to this contribution) I will be very happy to write to the hon. Gentleman about his more detailed second question. On his ...

Mark Durkan | 454 c973 (Link to this contribution) The Minister must recognise that the ombudsman is currently able to investigate issues that touch on...

Paul Goggins | 454 c971-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend will acknowledge that a range of other oversight bodies can obtain tha...

Mark Durkan | 454 c971 (Link to this contribution) It is one thing for the Minister to say that the matters to be investigated by the commission should...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c961 (Link to this contribution) That was said of the Secretary of State.

Mark Durkan | 454 c962 (Link to this contribution) Later.

David Simpson | 454 c962-3 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the hon. Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan) suggests that we might get a bit of spin later. I will...

Laurence Robertson | 454 c963-5 (Link to this contribution) Yet again, we have had an interesting debate on yet another Northern Ireland Bill. It makes a change...

Mark Durkan | 454 c965 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of Sinn Fein saying that it cannot give support to the police if it does not have a d...

Paul Goggins | 454 c966-71 (Link to this contribution) This has been a very good debate which, for the most part, reflects more optimistic times in Norther...

David Simpson | 454 c961 (Link to this contribution) No, but I have been warned to make my speech short and brief, because the Minister will have a lot o...

Lady Hermon | 454 c961 (Link to this contribution) That was me.

Lord Hain | 454 c919-20 (Link to this contribution) I do not quite follow my hon. Friend’s point on the devolution arguments, so I would be grateful if ...

Mark Durkan | 454 c920-2 (Link to this contribution) I will return to that point later, but it is clear that the Secretary of State presumes that the pow...

Lord Hain | 454 c922 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is putting up an entirely false proposition. As Secretary of State, I cannot chal...

Mark Durkan | 454 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for that attempt to clarify. To be very clear to him, I am not making...

Paul Goggins | 454 c923 (Link to this contribution) With the Bill, it is important to be very specific about the powers that we are introducing, rather ...

Mark Durkan | 454 c923 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that attempt to clarify. I hope that he can point us, either now or in futu...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c923 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman not concentrating an awful lot of his time in the debate on, and getting excit...

Lady Hermon | 454 c916 (Link to this contribution) If the DPP for Northern Ireland had to put an application before a judge, would the hon. Gentleman a...

Mark Durkan | 454 c917-9 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is presented in the name of normalisation, but the reality is that some of its provisions a...

Lembit Opik | 454 c916-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall write to the hon. Lady with the detailed answer that her question deserves. I assure her tha...

Mark Durkan | 454 c925 (Link to this contribution) I give way.

Lembit Opik | 454 c925 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman take some solace and encouragement from the comments of the Secretary of Sta...

Mark Durkan | 454 c924-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows that our point is that all parties should explicitly give that support, whi...

Mark Durkan | 454 c925 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that point. He draws attention to the fact that the Secretary of Stat...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c924 (Link to this contribution) Surely, the vast majority of the people of Northern Ireland already have confidence in the police an...

Mark Durkan | 454 c924 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman knows that when that Bill was being considered in the House we had tabled a...

Lord Bannside | 454 c924 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman now telling the House that his policy is to reject the miscellaneous law and t...

Mark Durkan | 454 c923-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a point coming from his political angle. I will not be drawn into that deba...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c931 (Link to this contribution) I note what the hon. Gentleman says about the work of the Human Rights Commission. Since prisons are...

Lord Cormack | 454 c927-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman reaffirms his point. I hope that that message will go to Sinn Fein because it is ...

Lady Hermon | 454 c928 (Link to this contribution) It is exceedingly generous of the hon. Gentleman to allow me to intervene. Before he completes his c...

Lord Cormack | 454 c929 (Link to this contribution) We will have to wait to see whether they will affect my constituency or not. I did not say that I su...

David Anderson | 454 c929-31 (Link to this contribution) I approach the debate as someone who is interested—too interested, some would say—in Northern Irelan...

Mark Durkan | 454 c926 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I was ending my speech, rather than giving way to the hon. Gentleman. I am not sure t...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c926 (Link to this contribution) Given the earlier reservations that Members had about much of the legislation, does it surprise the ...

Mark Durkan | 454 c927 (Link to this contribution) indicated assent.

Lord Cormack | 454 c926-7 (Link to this contribution) I will be rather briefer, I hope, than the hon. Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan), although of course h...

Mark Durkan | 454 c925-6 (Link to this contribution) The Bill makes some provisions in respect of jurors that we do not take issue with. We see the need ...

Eddie McGrady | 454 c939 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Gentleman says about tribunals and judicial review, but should not the decision...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c939 (Link to this contribution) Such checks already exist. The DPP for Northern Ireland must make his decisions about whether a case...

Eddie McGrady | 454 c936-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, which gives me the opportunity to respond—although not a...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c938-9 (Link to this contribution) I wish to make it clear, as my right hon. Friend the Member for North Antrim (Rev. Ian Paisley) has ...

Lady Hermon | 454 c936 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. There are many Members in this Chamber whom...

Eddie McGrady | 454 c936 (Link to this contribution) I shall do so shortly, after I have pursued my point a little further. Also, let me say that the hon...

Lady Hermon | 454 c936 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Eddie McGrady | 454 c935-6 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to follow the right hon. Member for North Antrim (Rev. Ian Paisley). I welcomed what I too...

Lord Bannside | 454 c932-5 (Link to this contribution) When Governments bring in legislation, they often face the criticism that it is too little, too late...

David Anderson | 454 c931-2 (Link to this contribution) This debate is about what is and what is not normal. The hon. Gentleman knows better than I do that ...

Mark Durkan | 454 c942-3 (Link to this contribution) The point is that, although Departments have that responsibility, they cannot be relied on to discha...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c942 (Link to this contribution) This is the amazing point. Let me just take the last point that the hon. Gentleman made: the commiss...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c943 (Link to this contribution) I have another difficulty with the hon. Gentleman. I understood that all this equality-proofing stuf...

Lady Hermon | 454 c939 (Link to this contribution) May I draw the hon. Gentleman’s attention to the fact that clause 7 provides that no court can revie...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c940-1 (Link to this contribution) That might be a difficulty for the hon. Lady and the SDLP, but my party believes that there should b...

Alasdair McDonnell | 454 c941 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman implying that there should be the same investigatory powers for the Army as fo...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c941 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that where the police and Army are operating together on the ground, the Army personnel ...

Lady Hermon | 454 c941 (Link to this contribution) I am genuinely grateful to the hon. Gentleman for taking so many interventions. I may be absolutely ...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c941-2 (Link to this contribution) It would be most bizarre and we might well come in for some condemnation if we were seen to be pulli...

Mark Durkan | 454 c942 (Link to this contribution) As well as refuting the hon. Gentleman’s gross allegations against the police ombudsman’s office, I ...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c948 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. It is normal that in a society where there is the t...

Mark Durkan | 454 c948 (Link to this contribution) If we set aside our obvious differences about the way in which those powers for the Army were exerci...

Alasdair McDonnell | 454 c944 (Link to this contribution) I want to be brief and to focus on some of the emergency powers and what they mean. In the 1970s, th...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 454 c944 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions the police interrogation techniques in Castlereagh. Many cases were thro...

Mark Durkan | 454 c943 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will recall that the equality screening exercises that the Departments undertook ...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c943-4 (Link to this contribution) I know that the quality of civil servants in Northern Ireland has recently been questioned by a Publ...

Lord Bannside | 454 c947 (Link to this contribution) It was a case of scrambled eggs.

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c947-8 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. We must look at some of the issues that the hon. Member for Foyle brought to our attention, ...

Alasdair McDonnell | 454 c944-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not. This was just another spoke in the wheel of the flawed system of justice. The problem ...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c946-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. I have listened carefully to the other contributions, including those of the Secre...

David Lidington | 454 c952 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Lady looks at Hansard tomorrow, she will see that I said nothing that was intended to im...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c949-50 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the hon. Gentleman that the sky will not fall in whenever legislation passes that gives...

Mark Durkan | 454 c950 (Link to this contribution) May I point out to the hon. Gentleman that if someone is a member of a dissident republican group—Co...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c950-1 (Link to this contribution) The paper does not say that. It refers to IRA membership. It will therefore be interesting to see wh...

Lady Hermon | 454 c951-2 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to speak in the debate and to bring it ...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c948-9 (Link to this contribution) Once again, I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. My direct answer is absolutely not. I d...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c949 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that there is a certain irony that MI5 has taken over security gathering i...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c949 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for an excellent intervention. Chickens are coming home to roost. Perhaps the...

Mark Durkan | 454 c948 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He has just said that if the police and the Army are in a...

Lady Hermon | 454 c955 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with the right hon. Gentleman—it was outrageous, unfair and based on no evidence wh...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c955 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I have misunderstood and I am happy to be corrected, but my understanding is that clause 7 r...

Lady Hermon | 454 c955 (Link to this contribution) Of course.

Lord Bannside | 454 c955 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady will agree with me that the statement of the hon. Member for Belfast, S...

Lady Hermon | 454 c953-5 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. On too many occasions in the Chamber I have been heckled with sedentary interven...

Lord Bannside | 454 c955 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady give way?

David Simpson | 454 c953 (Link to this contribution) I am very glad that the hon. Lady has allowed me to intervene, although I did not indicate that I wi...

Lady Hermon | 454 c952-3 (Link to this contribution) As I named the hon. Gentleman, it was right that he should have the opportunity to correct the recor...

David Simpson | 454 c953 (Link to this contribution) We are still your colleagues.

Lord Bannside | 454 c910 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that, even within the remit of its current powers, the Northern Ir...

David Lidington | 454 c909-10 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry for the hon. Lady’s confusion, but if she looks at the Hansard report of the recent debat...

Lady Hermon | 454 c909 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, as he always does. I want to get something clear...

Mark Durkan | 454 c908 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has referred to the Secretary of State’s comments about a possible risk to, or co...

David Lidington | 454 c907-8 (Link to this contribution) I completely accept the hon. Gentleman’s point that terrorist and paramilitary groups will seek acce...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c907 (Link to this contribution) The Superintendents Association of Northern Ireland raised this issue during the consultation. Given...

David Lidington | 454 c907 (Link to this contribution) Wherever possible, the same rules should apply in every part of the United Kingdom. Obviously in Com...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 454 c910-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the Bill. I have been following my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State around t...

Lady Hermon | 454 c911 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. Will he reflect on his praise fo...

Lembit Opik | 454 c913-5 (Link to this contribution) That simply serves to prove that the business managers do not seem to care about Northern Ireland le...

Lord Cormack | 454 c913 (Link to this contribution) While I have sympathy with the point that the hon. Gentleman makes, the Government have now on three...

Lembit Opik | 454 c915-6 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, but that would mean that if for any reason the Prime Minister was on trial in court in Belfa...

Mark Durkan | 454 c915 (Link to this contribution) He’d probably qualify as a friend.

Lord Hain | 454 c912 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a very important and telling point that has been made by others, includin...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 454 c911-2 (Link to this contribution) No, but the worry always was that extending the powers of the NIHRC would have implications for the ...

Lembit Opik | 454 c913 (Link to this contribution) I first wish to put briefly on record my utter frustration that once again Northern Ireland legislat...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 454 c912-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for that intervention. The hon. Member for Aylesbury (Mr. L...

Mark Durkan | 454 c900-1 (Link to this contribution) To assure those of us with concerns, the Secretary of State has simply offered the lapsing of powers...

Lord Hain | 454 c900 (Link to this contribution) Again, I understand the point that my hon. Friend legitimately raises. During this summer’s marching...

Lord Hain | 454 c899 (Link to this contribution) I remind my hon. Friend that just eight of the 48 provisions in the previous legislation—the part 7 ...

Lord Hain | 454 c899 (Link to this contribution) I note my hon. Friend’s general point, which is well made. The fact is, however, that the PSNI is no...

Lord Hain | 454 c898 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who questioned me closely on this matter and wondered whether t...

Lord Cormack | 454 c898 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman must not go too far. The Committee was not unanimous in every particular, a...

Mark Durkan | 454 c899 (Link to this contribution) Those powers in respect of the military were previously contained in part 7 of the Terrorism Act 200...

Mark Durkan | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State consider what he was just saying? The fact is that the power will lie wi...

Lord Hain | 454 c901 (Link to this contribution) As I have described, 40 of the provisions will lapse under the Bill. That is a big change, in tandem...

David Howarth | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State referred to the circumstances in which the DPP would go to a judge, which, I ...

Lord Hain | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is accurate, but the DPP must put the matter before a judge. If the judge took th...

David Howarth | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) I am now slightly confused about the Secretary of State’s position on the ouster clause, as he has j...

Lord Hain | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that the provision is necessary because we cannot, in the foreseeable future, envisage a...

Mark Durkan | 454 c901 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State referred to approaches that the Executive might make to the Secretary of Stat...

Lord Hain | 454 c901-2 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether it is pregnant, but I understand my hon. Friend’s point. If he considers the B...

Lembit Opik | 454 c901 (Link to this contribution) Why do we not therefore have a provision to renew powers, as we do in lots of other Northern Ireland...

Lord Hain | 454 c901 (Link to this contribution) We have now got to the point at which we need legislation that marches in parallel with normalisatio...

Gregory Campbell | 454 c895 (Link to this contribution) In his move towards a presumption for jury trials, will the Secretary of State take account of the r...

Lord Hain | 454 c894-5 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not agree with the hon. Lady. It is not often that I have to disagree with her. The measure...

Lady Hermon | 454 c895-6 (Link to this contribution) Again, I am grateful to the Secretary of State. I know that his wife was involved in a car accident ...

Lord Hain | 454 c895 (Link to this contribution) We are dealing with extortion and those other serious crimes through the Organised Crime Task Force....

Lembit Opik | 454 c893 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I will not detain the House for long, but you will recall that I r...

Lord Hain | 454 c893-4 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Three weeks ago, Royal Assent was given to ...

David Heath | 454 c894 (Link to this contribution) I am not an expert in Northern Ireland affairs, but I noted the right hon. Gentleman’s reference to ...

Lord Hain | 454 c894 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to do so, although I was about to deal with the meat of the Bill. Clause 7 is an ouster c...

Lady Hermon | 454 c894 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State began by referring to the timetable for the devolution of policing and justic...

Lord Cormack | 454 c898 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could come to the right hon. Gentleman’s aid by saying that it was the unanimous, if reluc...

Lord Hain | 454 c898 (Link to this contribution) I did consider that, as my officials and ministerial colleagues know. My initial instinct was to see...

David Lidington | 454 c898 (Link to this contribution) Why have not the Government provided in the Bill the safeguard that exists in the Criminal Justice A...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 454 c896 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is aware of the important work of the historical inquiries team, which is loo...

Lord Hain | 454 c896-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes, on the assumption that any such cases are brought after the Bill’s procedures have been impleme...

Lembit Opik | 454 c897-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall of course return to it in Committee, but I must press the Minister. What assurance can he gi...

Lord Hain | 454 c898 (Link to this contribution) A whole range of provisions will apply in Northern Ireland that are not immediately translatable bac...

Lembit Opik | 454 c897 (Link to this contribution) I have two concerns about the ouster clause. First, merely allowing it to be in the Bill will lead a...

Lord Hain | 454 c906 (Link to this contribution) Following the questions raised about the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission, I can tell the Ho...

David Lidington | 454 c905-6 (Link to this contribution) I think that the whole House welcomes the improvements in the security situation in Northern Ireland...

David Lidington | 454 c906-7 (Link to this contribution) The Bill departs from the emergency powers legislation and the powers now embodied in part VII of th...

Lord Hain | 454 c905 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that my hon. Friend is pleased that we are doing something that he advocated a long time a...

Mark Durkan | 454 c905 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State said that the Human Rights Commission has welcomed the extra powers. Does he ...

Lord Hain | 454 c905 (Link to this contribution) I have no recollection of any formal representations on the matter. I am not saying that that they w...

Lady Hermon | 454 c905 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for giving way, but had he answered my question I would not have had ...

Lord Hain | 454 c904 (Link to this contribution) I am aware of the position of the hon. Gentleman’s party on that, because the right hon. Member for ...

Lord Hain | 454 c904-5 (Link to this contribution) As I said, it is my responsibility to introduce the Bill, but the commission has welcomed the additi...

Lady Hermon | 454 c904 (Link to this contribution) As the Secretary of State has praised in the warmest of terms the Northern Ireland Human Rights Comm...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 454 c904 (Link to this contribution) Is there not a problem with the Human Rights Commission in so far as there is still a concern within...

Lord Hain | 454 c903-4 (Link to this contribution) Yes, it would be a wholly different matter, as I said. I considered that carefully and discussed it ...

David Howarth | 454 c903 (Link to this contribution) Not for ever. The Secretary of State implied that the trial judge could reject the certificate if i...

Lord Hain | 454 c903 (Link to this contribution) Will we get rid of you after this?

David Howarth | 454 c903 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?

Lord Hain | 454 c903 (Link to this contribution) We have had pregnancies and three-point turns; I do not know what we will have next. I have a lot of...

Mark Durkan | 454 c903 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State’s point adds to our concerns rather than takes away from them. He suggested t...

Lord Hain | 454 c902-3 (Link to this contribution) There is balance. Otherwise, as I explained, there would be a risk to national security with the pos...

Mark Durkan | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) There is no balance.

David Simpson | 454 c962 (Link to this contribution) I thought that my hon. Friend was referring to the Security Minister, but perhaps he might yet put a...

Lady Hermon | 454 c953 (Link to this contribution) I invite the hon. Gentleman to intervene, and prove that he is a colleague of the Ulster Unionist pa...

Lembit Opik | 454 c907 (Link to this contribution) Is it not self-evident that the principle must apply as much to Northern Ireland as it does to the r...

Sammy Wilson | 454 c957 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is bringing me closer to her!

Lady Hermon | 454 c925 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman clarify his party’s position? He has indicated clearly to the House that his...

Mark Durkan | 454 c949 (Link to this contribution) Let me make it clear that the SDLP and Sinn Fein have very different views on intelligence policing....

Eddie McGrady | 454 c900 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State rehearsed a list of powers attributed to the Army—entry, arrest, stopping wit...

Speaker | 454 c893 (Link to this contribution) It is not a matter for me, as I told the hon. Gentleman, but for the usual channels. I cannot interf...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 454 c959 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady should not be surprised by the Secretary of State spinning anything. He spins himself ...

Lady Hermon | 454 c959 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I am sure that it is extremely naive of me to thin...

David Anderson | 454 c899 (Link to this contribution) This is a matter of concern to everyone in the House. In talking about normalisation, if we are aski...

Lord Hain | 454 c898-9 (Link to this contribution) I was thinking as I said it that I was being a bit provocative to the hon. Gentleman, and indeed I w...

Lord Hain | 454 c896 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her remarks about Elizabeth, who is getting better. Yes, I will be spendin...

Lord Hain | 454 c902 (Link to this contribution) Of course that is the case, but it strikes the right balance—

David Lidington | 454 c910 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman’s comments reinforce the case for having clear definitions of the responsib...

David Lidington | 454 c908-9 (Link to this contribution) Again, it would be perfectly proper for Members to explore such matters further in Committee and on ...

Lord Hain | 454 c897 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman’s concern, and it is appropriate for him to raise it. He will have a...

Laurence Robertson | 454 c965-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point. Support for the police must not be conditional. Anyone w...