Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill. Report stage and Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Passed.
Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill
Debate on bills on Monday, 4 December 2006,
in the House of Commons,
led by Gerry Sutcliffe.
The answering
member was Dominic Grieve.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
454 c39-126 Session
2006-07Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 5-EN also published.
Thursday, 16 November 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 16 November 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Draft Corporate Manslaughter Bill. Government reply to the Home Affairs Select Committee and Work and Pensions Select Committee first joint report session 2005-06 (HC 540).
Wednesday, 8 March 2006
Command papers
House of Commons
Wednesday, 8 March 2006
Command papers
House of Commons
Draft Corporate Manslaughter Bill. Home Affairs Select Committee and Work and Pensions Select Committee first joint report in 3 volumes with proceedings, evidence (HC 540 i-vi not printed separately) and appendices.
Monday, 12 December 2005
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Monday, 12 December 2005
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Jeremy Wright | 454 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened to the hon. Gentleman’s comments on his proposed offence in new clause 6. Can he con...
Jim Sheridan | 454 c51-2 (Link to this contribution)
Much has been made of the advice that the hon. Member for Beaconsfield has given. It has been sugges...
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Ian Stewart | 454 c52 (Link to this contribution)
When we move to the conclusion of the Bill and it becomes, I hope, an Act of Parliament, we move to ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c51 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, I want to ensure that my hon. Friend knows that I am actively considering the opportu...
Ian Stewart | 454 c50-1 (Link to this contribution)
There may be a telepathic link between the Minister and me because he answers my questions before I ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c50 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend refers to issues that I hope we shall discuss later, including corporate probation an...
Ian Stewart | 454 c50 (Link to this contribution)
I support new clauses 6 and 7 but I do not support the amendments tabled by my hon. Friend the Membe...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c49 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening to the hon. Gentleman with care, and I understand where he is coming from. The fact r...
Ed Davey | 454 c48-9 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. and learned Gentleman is right. There is a gap because, as the hon. Member for Beacon...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c49 (Link to this contribution)
Someone who aids, abets, counsels or procures a manslaughter has committed manslaughter, which is an...
Ed Davey | 454 c49 (Link to this contribution)
Under the Bill, the offence of corporate manslaughter is punishable by an unlimited fine. It does no...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c50 (Link to this contribution)
We are reverting to a point that we debated at length in Committee. I was grateful for the legal adv...
Ed Davey | 454 c49-50 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly disagree with the hon. Gentleman. Let us remember what has brought us to the point that w...
Ed Davey | 454 c50 (Link to this contribution)
To some extent, the Minister is right. I want the threshold to be lower than that required for indiv...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c48 (Link to this contribution)
May I take the hon. Gentleman back? He says he supports amendments Nos. 7 and 8, but all they appear...
Viscount Hailsham | 454 c48 (Link to this contribution)
I put it to the hon. Gentleman that we would generally find that directors were guilty of acts of om...
Ed Davey | 454 c48 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will know that under the procedures of this House they are not linked as a packag...
Ed Davey | 454 c48 (Link to this contribution)
When we debated the matter in Committee, I learned a great deal about the relevant laws, particularl...
John Denham | 454 c47 (Link to this contribution)
Of course. My hon. Friend has spent a great deal of time talking to a wide range of interests about ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c47 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my right hon. Friend for the work that his Committee and the Work and Pensions Committee did...
John Denham | 454 c46-7 (Link to this contribution)
Most right hon. and hon. Members who are taking part in this debate recently participated in an inte...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c46 (Link to this contribution)
I am aware of that but, equally, may I point out that I have represented a director who was successf...
Ed Davey | 454 c46 (Link to this contribution)
I expected the hon. Gentleman to give that reply, but is he aware that very few cases in which someo...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c46 (Link to this contribution)
Section 37 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act allows such prosecutions. If the hon. Member fo...
Ed Davey | 454 c45-6 (Link to this contribution)
My problem with the hon. Gentleman’s argument is that he tries to present the issue as being black a...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c45 (Link to this contribution)
I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman about attacking the culture. Having spent a lot of my prof...
Frank Doran | 454 c44-5 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point, but the difficulty is that such prosecutions have not happe...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c70 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention. I was trying to remember the constituency of my hon. Friend the...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c70 (Link to this contribution)
I want to press the Minister on an important point. It would clearly be possible to prosecute a comp...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c70 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way while I try to remember the constituency of my other hon. Friend.
Peter Bottomley | 454 c66 (Link to this contribution)
In part, yes, but that would be covered anyway. There is no difficulty in bringing a prosecution for...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c68-9 (Link to this contribution)
There are two points to make. One can be made quite quickly, but it is worth dwelling on. The people...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend and I agree with what he is saying, but I am trying to explain the a...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I am agreeing.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that. It is good of my hon. Friend to agree with me.
It is important to emphasise...
Alistair Carmichael | 454 c69 (Link to this contribution)
This is a Second Reading speech.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c69 (Link to this contribution)
It goes to the heart of what we are trying to achieve. The hon. Gentleman did not have the benefit o...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I think that my hon. Friend is suggesting that if a case such as the Herald of Free Enterprise were ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c70 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. If we get the opportunity to discuss amendment No. 11, I shall give...
Frank Doran | 454 c63 (Link to this contribution)
I accept the hon. Gentleman’s point, but the fundamental point for me, having worked with the surviv...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c63 (Link to this contribution)
Reflecting on the marriage of section 37 with the Bill rather than the approach favoured by my right...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c62 (Link to this contribution)
To be clear, the idea put forward by the right hon. Member for Southampton, Itchen (Mr. Denham) is a...
Frank Doran | 454 c64 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman assures me that he is prepared to read it, I will send him a copy of the Culle...
Ian Stewart | 454 c64 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that Labour Members have been attempting to establish that there is a corp...
Frank Doran | 454 c63 (Link to this contribution)
That is an important point and I understand how the Health and Safety Executive operates. Its relati...
Jeremy Wright | 454 c64 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman started his remarks by saying that we would not be discussing the Bill if the exi...
Ian Stewart | 454 c66 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, if the thrust of all our contributions is about deterrence and i...
Frank Doran | 454 c64 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I agree with my hon. Friend, but I am not sure. However, I think that the point that he...
Peter Bottomley | 454 c64-6 (Link to this contribution)
At half-past 4, I was speaking for the Children’s Society, and I apologise for not being here when n...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c57 (Link to this contribution)
To make the position clear, my suggestion about the link-up was simply that it would allow the entir...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c57-8 (Link to this contribution)
That was a very helpful intervention, in that it brings me to my final and central point, which is p...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c60 (Link to this contribution)
I am mindful that we have a lot to get through, but my hon. Friend makes a key point about naming an...
John Denham | 454 c55 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has just made the point that I wish to make—that there is a set of individuals for wh...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c55-7 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is correct: it might not be a light punishment, although even in the golf clubs...
Ann McKechin | 454 c60-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his assurances. I know that he tries to be as productive as possible and ...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c61 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises some interesting points. Although the cases to which she refers certainly conc...
Ann McKechin | 454 c61-2 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an interesting point. Companies changed their practices rapidly when people wer...
Frank Doran | 454 c62 (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to contribute to this part of the debate, but I believe that our discussion has b...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c53 (Link to this contribution)
Is not one of the problems with the approach advocated by the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grie...
Ian Stewart | 454 c53 (Link to this contribution)
Far be it from me, as a humble trade unionist, to come between two learned gentlemen in this place, ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c52-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am a little disappointed, having spent time with the hon. Gentleman in Committee, that he should t...
Ian Stewart | 454 c53 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that the hon. Gentleman is now trying to mirror the Minister’s approach and take the words...
Ian Stewart | 454 c52 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Member for Beaconsfield is going to seek to minimise the problem and, through sophistry,...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c54 (Link to this contribution)
We have already heard that my hon. Friend and my hon. Friend the Minister regularly read each other’...
Ian Stewart | 454 c54 (Link to this contribution)
I have read your speech.
Tony Lloyd | 454 c53-4 (Link to this contribution)
The Chairman is probably quite used to being challenged over how amendments are selected, but I want...
Ian Stewart | 454 c54 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that that is the core of the issue? Does not current legislation allow a l...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c43 (Link to this contribution)
This debate also took place in Committee, but it is worth placing it on the record that, by definiti...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c43-4 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman will be aware, one of the reasons corporate manslaughter prosecutions have bee...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c44 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes the point that the law on disqualification already exists. Perhaps one of t...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c44 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for those comments, because I entirely endorse that approach. Some cas...
Ian Stewart | 454 c44 (Link to this contribution)
Given that the hon. Gentleman indicated his attraction to the approach in new clause 4, does he acce...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c44 (Link to this contribution)
For the reasons I gave before. Someone who had been involved in the way the hon. Gentleman describes...
Viscount Hailsham | 454 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I am not making a drafting point—I recognise that that can be dealt with elsewhere—but I should like...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c40-1 (Link to this contribution)
New clause 1 deals with one of the most fundamental points in any reform of corporate manslaughter—t...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c42-3 (Link to this contribution)
With the amendment from the hon. Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore), we return to the issue that exerci...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I deliberately dealt with that issue in that way for precisely the reasons raised by the right hon. ...
Speaker | 454 c39-40 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
New clause 2—Individual officers’ liabili...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c75-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to examine all the options. Indeed, it was suggested today that I look at public procurem...
James Brokenshire | 454 c75 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister helpfully said that he would look at the issue of registration at Companies House and t...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c76-7 (Link to this contribution)
I shall certainly not take up very much time. I simply wish to echo the point made by Labour Members...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c76 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend tempts me with a multiple choice question. The Bill and the cultural changes that, ho...
Rob Marris | 454 c76 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who has been very patient indeed. I welcome his comment that the Go...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c76 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to my hon. Friend, but then I wish to make progress.
James Brokenshire | 454 c78-9 (Link to this contribution)
This group of amendments deals with organisations that commit an offence under the Bill. New clause ...
Speaker | 454 c77-8 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
New clause 5—Proceedings against unincorp...
James Brokenshire | 454 c77 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
John Denham | 454 c72 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has referred to the guidance that was issued earlier this year. Will he clarify somet...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c72-3 (Link to this contribution)
I accept what my right hon. Friend is saying, and hope to touch on that point. The thinking is being...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c75 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it, the court would make the order, and it would identify a responsible individual w...
Ian Stewart | 454 c75 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for giving way; his patience is immense. May I press him just a little furthe...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c75 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that point. [Interruption.] No, certainly not. I reverted to my former career in the Whips ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c75 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to have to chide the Minister a little—I have not done it much this evening—but it is reg...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c74 (Link to this contribution)
I am trying to argue that there would be the opportunity to combine corporate manslaughter with exis...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c73 (Link to this contribution)
I am trying to give my hon. Friend a cheerful hearing, but he puzzles me a little. Earlier, he very ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c74-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am aware of my hon. Friend’s point, which he raised in Committee, too. He knows why we do not thin...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c72 (Link to this contribution)
Thinking always continues, and I hope that further progress will be made. I shall refer to that as I...
Ian Stewart | 454 c72 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will remember that on Second Reading and in Committee we pressed him to do further th...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c72 (Link to this contribution)
I assure my hon. Friend that discussions have taken place with the Scottish Executive. Indeed, I met...
Ann McKechin | 454 c72 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister say what discussions his Department has had with the Scottish Executive on sentenc...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c71-2 (Link to this contribution)
I will, I hope, assist my hon. Friend towards the end of my contribution by rounding off my view on ...
Ian Stewart | 454 c70 (Link to this contribution)
As my hon. Friend was in pre-emptory mode earlier, does he have anything further to say about the li...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c117 (Link to this contribution)
Not at this point, but as the hon. Gentleman knows, the Government are working to put victims at the...
Charles Walker | 454 c117 (Link to this contribution)
I have not followed the Bill through its various stages. Will the fines be used to compensate the lo...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c115-7 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
In concluding our debate on Second Reading...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c109 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened to what my right hon. Friend says and if he wants to call a vote, I shall accede to ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 454 c109 (Link to this contribution)
Given the strength of the arguments tonight, it would be a bit of a cop-out to say, ““But we don’t f...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c108 (Link to this contribution)
So far tonight, my hon. Friend the Minister has shown a degree of flexibility, good humour and a wil...
John Denham | 454 c106-8 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that Ministers will take account of feelings on this issue. Amendments have been proposed thi...
Ed Davey | 454 c105-6 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has just said that he is proud of the fact that the Government have introduced the Bill...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c105 (Link to this contribution)
It does make sense, and the hon. Gentleman makes the case for me when he talks about the environment...
David Heath | 454 c104-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am new to the Bill, but I have been listening carefully to the Minister’s argument. He seems const...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c124-5 (Link to this contribution)
I also congratulate my hon. Friend the Minister on the good humour with which he has conducted the d...
Ed Davey | 454 c121-2 (Link to this contribution)
This is a good Bill. It deserves a Third Reading, and has been improved since Second Reading. The wh...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c120-1 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend says, rather unkindly, ““Like Ministers, sometimes””, but not this Minister. I say th...
Ann McKechin | 454 c123-4 (Link to this contribution)
I too congratulate the Minister and his officials on the way in which they have conducted the debate...
Ian Stewart | 454 c122-3 (Link to this contribution)
On Second Reading, I said that the Bill was half-baked and we hoped to take it further. Let me now s...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c117-9 (Link to this contribution)
I echo the Minister’s sentiments in wishing the Bill a good passage. Although I said on Second Readi...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c119-20 (Link to this contribution)
Let me begin where the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve) left off. In Committee and for most...
Viscount Hailsham | 454 c79 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the serious way in which my hon. Friend is responding on this important matter. Le...
James Brokenshire | 454 c79 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. and learned Friend makes an interesting and important point. In the context of the off...
Viscount Hailsham | 454 c79 (Link to this contribution)
This is an important debate. I declare a possible interest, in that my wife is chairman of an invest...
James Brokenshire | 454 c79 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. The reason for structuring the clause in that w...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c81-2 (Link to this contribution)
Equally, the opposite problem, which was identified by the hon. Member for Hornchurch, is that we ma...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c81 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the importance that is attached to this issue, but my hon. Friend will be aware of the ...
James Brokenshire | 454 c79-81 (Link to this contribution)
Again, my right hon. and learned Friend draws attention to an important point. That may be true in s...
Alistair Carmichael | 454 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Can the hon. Gentleman explain his thinking in subsection (3), which makes the new clause indictable...
Ed Davey | 454 c82-3 (Link to this contribution)
Liberal Democrat Members support the thrust of the thinking behind new clause 3. The hon. Member for...
Viscount Hailsham | 454 c83-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief because I made my point in an intervention. I am largely persuaded by the comments ...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c84 (Link to this contribution)
I fundamentally disagree with the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Mr. ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c87 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is quoting at length from the Law Commission’s paper, which said that there was no co...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c87-9 (Link to this contribution)
I shall respond to my hon. Friend’s question in due course—[Interruption.] If hon. Members give me t...
James Brokenshire | 454 c89 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully to the Minister and to the debate on new clause 3. I listened carefully to...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c93 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 3, in page 2, line 20, at end insert—
Alistair Carmichael | 454 c84-5 (Link to this contribution)
I shall not detain the House long because I do not depart from what others have said. However, given...
Ann McKechin | 454 c85 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Scotland Act 1998 specifically provides for the term ““busine...
Alistair Carmichael | 454 c85 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Lady because when the Law Society of Scotland first provided me with amend...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c85-7 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate the spirit in which the new clause was moved, although I did not realise what the hon. ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c94-6 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments cover the issue of deaths in custody caused by gross negligence. In the Joint Commi...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c96 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my hon. Friend would acknowledge the independent nature of Her Majesty’s inspectorates o...
Speaker | 454 c93 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 12, in page 2, line 29, at ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c99 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to break the spirit of our discussions, but the hon. Gentleman said that there is evid...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c99 (Link to this contribution)
I asked the Library to do some research on this issue, and it came up with a list of 15 such cases s...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c99 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I do not have the precise figures, b...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c98 (Link to this contribution)
I know that the hon. Gentleman and my hon. Friend the Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore) are making a p...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c98-9 (Link to this contribution)
Let me make my position clear. I believe that the Prison Service does its best in often difficult ci...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c96-7 (Link to this contribution)
On the latter point, I simply say that that happened after a lot of argument and debate. It was not ...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c98 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore) will be aware, the official Opposition and others have s...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c100 (Link to this contribution)
I regret slightly the fact that the Minister and I are disagreeing when a disagreement does not real...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c100 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Rugby and Kenilworth (Jeremy Wright).
Jeremy Wright | 454 c100 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. Does he agree that the public would find it much more reassuring if...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c100-1 (Link to this contribution)
I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. I find the Government’s defensiveness on this issue curious.
...
Ed Davey | 454 c101 (Link to this contribution)
May I help the hon. Gentleman as he tries to understand why the Government are so reluctant to accep...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c101 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and it is also worth pointing out that public policy decisions have...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c101-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am taking the unusual step of making my contribution now because I may not have an opportunity lat...
John Denham | 454 c102-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Minister is right to describe what has been happening in the Prison Service. It i...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c103 (Link to this contribution)
I do not mean to be insulting in any way, but I would have hoped that my right hon. Friend would kno...
John Denham | 454 c103 (Link to this contribution)
All such environments are complex and difficult, which is why there is a high threshold for convicti...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c103 (Link to this contribution)
We believe that that opportunity exists in terms of the recommendations that can be made with regard...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c103-4 (Link to this contribution)
I find those distinctions untenable. A corporate body that builds and tests aircraft, often at the l...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c103 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes the point that people should expect the same protection, but we are talki...
Ed Davey | 454 c103 (Link to this contribution)
The question that the Minister has to answer is why should a public body be able to kill someone by ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c104 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is saying that the consequence of his argument is that the principle would apply ...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c104 (Link to this contribution)
If the position is as my hon. Friend describes, and the Government never intended the Bill to cover ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c104 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is entitled to his opinion but he is entirely wrong. In terms of the Bill, the Go...
Dominic Grieve | 454 c104 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister knows, we looked at the issue in respect of the armed forces in some detail in Commi...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c104 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend cannot have it both ways. He asked us to consider things, so we considered them and c...
Ian Stewart | 454 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the Minister agrees with me. However, I would counsel him to let me finish, or he mig...
Ian Stewart | 454 c74 (Link to this contribution)
In line with what the Minister says about the definition of rogue employers, does he agree with the ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c66-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to hon. Members on both sides of the House for their contributions. I said on Second R...
Tony Lloyd | 454 c54-5 (Link to this contribution)
That is an interesting concept, because I have not written it yet.
We want to ensure that the court...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c39 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 454 c125-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the contributions of all Members from all parts of the House. My hon. Friend the M...
Andrew Dismore | 454 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 1 is my amendment, but as the hon. Member for Hornchurch (James Brokenshire) has suppo...
Ann McKechin | 454 c58-60 (Link to this contribution)
Like my hon. Friends the Members for Manchester, Central (Tony Lloyd) and for Eccles (Ian Stewart), ...
Ian Stewart | 454 c120 (Link to this contribution)
Like Ministers, sometimes.
Ian Stewart | 454 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I am not aware of such evidence—though others may be—and that is the thrust of my argument in relati...
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