London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Bill. Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 4 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to.
London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Bill
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London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Bill. Brought from Commons . Explanatory Notes HL Bill 52-EN also published .(Bill previously known as London Olympics Bill)
Wednesday, 7 December 2005
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Wednesday, 7 December 2005
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c65GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 8, leave out ““, in particular””"
The noble Baroness said: My n...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness indicated that this was a difficult and contentious amendment. All I can say is t...
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Lord Glentoran | 678 c83-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree with the thrust of the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, with the mino...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c112-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:"Page 3, line 30, leave out ““section”” and insert ““Act””"
The noble Barone...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c108-11GC (Link to this contribution)
I want to make it clear that within the framework of the Bill, the Mayor retains that power. In othe...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c104-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I have Amendments Nos. 77, 78 and 80 in this group. This group is all about relationships, and I hav...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c103GC (Link to this contribution)
I am not at all easy about the relationship in various parts of the Bill between the Mayor and the S...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c101-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I was just dwelling on the joys of discussing rail franchises with the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, no...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c93-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether what the noble Lord, Lord Glentoran, is doing is finding a delicate way of getting ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c90GC (Link to this contribution)
It is unbelievable that a planning application for the major arena, the great central stadium which ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c90GC (Link to this contribution)
We are all agreed on the objectives. The noble Baroness indicated, and the noble Lord supports, that...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c89-90GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 11:"Page 34, line 20, leave out ““is involved”” and insert ““has an interest””"
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Baroness Hamwee | 678 c89GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, as I fear I was going to make not nearly so well informed points as...
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c91GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Borrie, has put his finger on the point here. Much of the deliberation of the O...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c90-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the noble Lord says. We do not want to arrive at that situation, which would be absurd. ...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c85GC (Link to this contribution)
This body will be auditable. It will report to Parliament. Most importantly, it will be accountable ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c84-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I enjoyed the degree of detail, particularly the signing of the railway chit. I am delighted that Me...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c87GC (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister pick up the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Glentoran, about the National Audit ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c112GC (Link to this contribution)
I wondered whether the Minister would respond to that. It is not my understanding of the situation a...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c111-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his explanation. This is a complex area and he has unquestionably ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c107-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I understand that and I was responding partly to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith,...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c103GC (Link to this contribution)
It is grouped with the amendment that we are discussing.
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c102GC (Link to this contribution)
This is a large group of amendments and only two have been spoken to. No wonder we are confused. The...
Lord Bradshaw | 678 c102GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for his reply. I understand that the tenders for services are not the respons...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c95-7GC (Link to this contribution)
Far be it for me to suggest that any political points have been made over a cap on council tax. I re...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c97-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether the Minister can distinguish those Londoners among those sitting in this room ...
Lord Bradshaw | 678 c99GC (Link to this contribution)
I speak to Amendment No. 51. In doing so I want to pass on the apologies of the noble Lord, Lord Ber...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c93GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 12:"Page 35, line 14, leave out ““may”” and insert ““shall””"
The noble Lord sa...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c92GC (Link to this contribution)
Are we saying that an urban regeneration company is its own planning authority and is not in fact su...
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c92GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the noble Baroness could elucidate how this operates in practice. It is all very well to say...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c92-3GC (Link to this contribution)
So am I. However, I am grateful to my noble friend for her helpful illustration. I am not speaking o...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c69-72GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has produced an amendment that goes to the heart of the important structures for ...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I am slightly surprised that the chairman of the ODA will be ““non-executive””. In today’s modern wo...
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c73GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may press the Minister on this. The logic of what he says is that the Secretary of State t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c81GC (Link to this contribution)
Of course the ODA is not a planning authority in the same way that local authorities are. I was seek...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c77-80GC (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to respond to the noble Lord, Lord Addington. As he said, we have often discussed t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c81-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I may need to write to the noble Lord about that degree of detail. In broad terms, I emphasise that ...
Lord Borrie | 678 c67GC (Link to this contribution)
That seems extremely reasonable and Members opposite may be making heavy weather right at the beginn...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c66GC (Link to this contribution)
I had to listen to what the noble Lord had to say before deciding whether I would intervene. The bre...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c90GC (Link to this contribution)
I join the noble Baroness in seeking an explanation of the provision. Everybody involved in local go...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c88-9GC (Link to this contribution)
We are getting nearer agreement, but there is still room for much re-writing. I have read nowhere ab...
Lord Borrie | 678 c91GC (Link to this contribution)
The mechanics of this sound awfully difficult. It will be clear from the beginning when in the ODA t...
Lord Borrie | 678 c84GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not go so far as the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, or the noble Lord, Lord Glentoran, in liking ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c82-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 7:"Page 32, line 27, leave out ““, with the approval of the Secretary of State,”...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c85-7GC (Link to this contribution)
Those checks and balances are there and I do not underestimate their significance, but I know who ta...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c87-8GC (Link to this contribution)
Obviously I am not making myself clear. I will not ask the Minister to come back on the point, but I...
Lord Geddes | 678 c118GC (Link to this contribution)
The Committee stands adjourned until Thursday, 2 February at 2 pm.
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c118GC (Link to this contribution)
When the Minister began, I thought that he overlooked the fact that Clause 4(3) does not require the...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c118GC (Link to this contribution)
This may be a highly convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Thursday at 2 pm.
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c113-4GC (Link to this contribution)
As the noble Baroness foreshadowed, I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 25 to 27. Despite her observati...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c114-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the discussion on these amendments. I understand that the noble Baroness, in her A...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c107GC (Link to this contribution)
My concern is not post the games, but to do with planning permissions prior to the games. Clause 5(4...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c106-7GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is right—these are difficult issues because we cannot foresee with accuracy the situa...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c106GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise because the Minister has raised the issue of the final disposal of the site. On the total fun...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c103-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise—I must have an out-of-date copy of the list, or something funny has happened. I am happy...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c95GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall first come back to the noble Lord, Lord Borrie. The Bill provides that:"““The Secretary of S...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c99-101GC (Link to this contribution)
I will detain my pleasure of discussing the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, until...
Lord Borrie | 678 c93GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the amendment is not acceptable. It would be an astonishing piece of legislation if, for...
Baroness Billingham | 678 c92GC (Link to this contribution)
We do exactly that. We sit back and absent ourselves. We have to do that because there is a Chinese ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c93GC (Link to this contribution)
I am even more puzzled than when I started. There is no difference between us as to the desirability...
Baroness Billingham | 678 c92GC (Link to this contribution)
An urban regeneration company is not, but a UDA is. There are differences.
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c72GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my noble friend Lady Hamwee will deal with the substance of the Minister’s remarks. H...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c67GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the lawyers are not paid by the word. They should be paid according to the number of wor...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c73-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Let us be careful about the issues of responsibility. I indicated that the chair of the ODA is the c...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c80-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I think that the Minister has answered the point I wished to raise. But, to go back to his words, he...
Lord Addington | 678 c75-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 31, line 15, at end insert ““, and"
( ) equality matters, includin...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c74GC (Link to this contribution)
If I rise with some hesitation, it is because I am all too well aware that the question raises a ran...
Baroness Thomas of Walliswood | 678 c65GC (Link to this contribution)
Before I put the Question that that the Title be postponed, I remind your Lordships of two points of...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c66-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the noble Lord says, and he is right to say that the words do not have any legal signifi...
Baroness Billingham | 678 c91-2GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may add a brief point. I chair an urban regeneration company. This is the precise framewor...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c88GC (Link to this contribution)
I may not have been as accurate in my commonsense as I sought to be. I understand the noble Baroness...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c87GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if I did not reply directly to Amendment No. 22, which concerns the question of consent b...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c117-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I will take advantage of the kindness of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, in responding on the amend...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c108GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to intervene again but I am becoming increasingly puzzled. Given all the work the Mayor h...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c108GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may add a point to the question here. If the specified case is one where the application i...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c105-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the way in which noble Lords have spoken to their amendments. The thought crossed ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c102-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 21:"Page 3, line 7, after ““State”” insert ““and the Mayor of London””"
The nob...
Viscount Simon | 678 c101GC (Link to this contribution)
The first Division on the Speakership has been called. We will now adjourn until the final Division....
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c95GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend has made a compelling case for capping the liability of Londoners. I shall add a fur...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c98GC (Link to this contribution)
I had hoped that my amendment, which seeks to replace ““may”” with ““shall””, would be accepted. But...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c98-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:"Page 2, line 43, at end insert ““but the Authority may not take over the fun...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c92GC (Link to this contribution)
So a UDA is almost in the position of a new towns commission, but not quite. That is exactly the pos...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c68-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I beg to disagree with the noble Baroness on Amendment No. 2, although I am well aware of her signif...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c72GC (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the noble Lord says. He or she will attend all meetings and will be expected to report. ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c67-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2:"Page 31, line 9, at end insert—"
““( ) The Secretary of State shall app...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c73GC (Link to this contribution)
We are talking about his attendance at the Olympic board, which is chaired by the Secretary of State...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c74-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I certainly was not intending to imply that too little thought had gone into this—or that little tho...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c74GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to prolong the debate. Can I look on the Olympic board as a board of trustees?
Lord Addington | 678 c82GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry for taking quite so much time on this, but the clarification is important. I thank the Mi...
Lord Addington | 678 c81GC (Link to this contribution)
I have a further question for the Minister. Is he giving us the assurance that—for instance—the high...
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