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Trade Union Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 27 April 2016, in the House of Commons.
Programme motion (No. 3) on proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments and subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Amendment (a) to Lords amendment 2 agreed to on division (312 to 260). Lords amendment 2, as amended, agreed to. Clause 13, Lords amendment 17 motion to disagree, agreed to on division (307 to 268). Amendments made to the words so restored to the Bill. Lords amendments 1, 3-6, 9-16 and 18-29 agreed to. Lords amendments 7-8 disagreed to with amendments (k) to (p) made in lieu.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

608 cc1470-1520 

Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Lords amendments

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Trade Union Bill 2015-16. Lords amendments.
Monday, 25 April 2016
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Nick Boles | 608 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move Government amendment (a) to Lords amendment 2.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 608 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

With this we will consider the following:

Government amendment (b) to Lords amendment 2.


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Nick Boles | 608 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

The measures in the Bill aim to modernise the relationship between trade unions and their members...

Stephen Doughty | 608 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will remember our many conversations about this in Committee. He says that he is not...

Nick Boles | 608 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

I have greatly enjoyed debating the many detailed clauses of the Bill with the hon. Gentleman ove...

Andrew Gwynne | 608 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will no doubt have seen the evidence from the Electoral Reform Society that the inci...

Nick Boles | 608 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will have to be a little patient, because I am going to come on to talk about ...

Andrew Gwynne | 608 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the position that the Minister is setting out, but I am struggling to understand his...

Nick Boles | 608 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect, I would point out to the hon. Gentleman that that is an internal elect...

Wes Streeting | 608 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister sounds almost guilty of double standards on this issue. He says that he has accepted...

Nick Boles | 608 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

If Opposition Members will just give me a minute, they will be able to hear my argument. Then the...

Nick Boles | 608 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am now going to satisfy Opposition Members by setting out my argument, after which I will b...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested to hear what the Minister says about that. The last Labour Government piloted e-v...

Nick Boles | 608 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman is correct and if there is no problem, the review will conclude so and will...

Nick Boles | 608 cc1473-4 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not going to give way again; I am going to carry on with my argument. The review will re...

Chris Stephens | 608 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Trade Union Bill reached the House of Lords, the Minister wrote a letter to ministeria...

Nick Boles | 608 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

Madam Deputy Speaker, I can assure you that my relations with the Socialist Workers Party or its ...

Nick Boles | 608 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to give way and will do so first to the hon. Gentleman.

David Anderson | 608 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said before that online voting was okay for the election of the Tory candidate for M...

Nick Boles | 608 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman heard my previous answer and he must recognise that these are s...

Nick Boles | 608 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman; he has had a go. I will give way to the hon. Members f...

Dawn Butler | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for allowing me to speak. He says that it might be pointless to hav...

Nick Boles | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is a fan of “The X Factor” and so are many of us, but she will recognise that, impo...

Nick Boles | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

Of course. I did say that I would give way to the hon. Lady.

Rachael Maskell | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister be specific and say how electronic voting is less secure than postal voting, wh...

Nick Boles | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not be specific, because we are going to set up an independent review involving people...

Flick Drummond | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

On the point being made by the Opposition about the Conservative party’s online voting, I found i...

Nick Boles | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

I did not have that issue, but that does show that there can be issues with online voting, as the...

Nick Boles | 608 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

Have I not given way to the hon. Gentleman already? I will give way one more time and then I will...

Chris Stephens | 608 c1476 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister seriously suggesting that whoever is the Conservative party candidate for London ...

Nick Boles | 608 c1476 (Link to this contribution)

I am quite happy to explain again that it is not a statutory election.

The review will allo...

Liz McInnes | 608 c1476 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has invited us to contribute to the review. I wonder whether he will accept electron...

Nick Boles | 608 c1476 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a good point—[Interruption.] My hon. Friend the Member for Salisbury (John Gl...

David Davis | 608 c1476 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend knows, I am in favour of electronic voting, but the route that he is taking is ...

Nick Boles | 608 cc1476-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for his contribution on this and other important matters. He has mad...

Chris Stephens | 608 c1477 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is being very generous. In the aforementioned leaked memo to which I referred earlie...

Nick Boles | 608 c1477 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will understand that I never comment on articles in the Sociali...

Jo Stevens | 608 c1477 (Link to this contribution)

Specifically on the point about devolved powers, is it not the case that in that letter the Minis...

Nick Boles | 608 c1477 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady, who made an admirable and, for me, rather challenging contribution to our delibera...

Nick Boles | 608 cc1477-8 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I wish to explain what we are now proposing, because it is...

Nick Boles | 608 c1478 (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish this bit, because I am trying to explain what is different about what we doing. I w...

Nick Boles | 608 c1478 (Link to this contribution)

Of course.

It is our intention that exercise of the reserve power will not even be consider...

David Anderson | 608 c1478 (Link to this contribution)

A person who enjoys facility time will spend a lot of that time trying to manage huge reorganisat...

Nick Boles | 608 c1478 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right. What is reasonable can vary according to the organisation and the si...

Alec Shelbrooke | 608 c1478 (Link to this contribution)

What my hon. Friend is trying to make explicit is that, across the trade union movement there are...

Nick Boles | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to confirm and applaud what my hon. Friend said. In truth, I would be as worried ...

Tommy Sheppard | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

In order to try to help the House understand why you feel that there is a need for this cap on fa...

Nick Boles | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

I am not at all sure, Madam Deputy Speaker, whether you feel that there is a need for a cap, but ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Let us clear that up. The hon. Member for Edinburgh East (Tommy Sheppard) will get used to...

Nick Boles | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I thought that for your sake I should clarify that.

The ho...

Nick Boles | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will finish. We know that when we introduced a similar provision in the civil service, we f...

Nick Boles | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

Well, okay. I have such a soft spot for the hon. Gentleman.

Stephen Doughty | 608 c1479 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is indulgent. I appreciate his generosity. Given some of the rhetoric from some of h...

Nick Boles | 608 c1480 (Link to this contribution)

I do not. After all, I am the Minister and I will be in charge of this until the Prime Minister d...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1480 (Link to this contribution)

I am a bit confused about what the cost will be of a Minister or civil servants sitting down and ...

Nick Boles | 608 c1480 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that it will be expensive. Although there are no data because the transparency cl...

Nick Boles | 608 c1480 (Link to this contribution)

I have been generous and I will be generous again, but I shall try to make some progress.

A...

Kevin Brennan | 608 cc1480-1 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make it clear right at the outset that we remain opposed to this Bill. Despite some of ...

Andrew Gwynne | 608 cc1481-2 (Link to this contribution)

Is there not a slight concern that this is just a delaying tactic by the Government, who do not i...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

I know the Minister, and I take him at his word when he says that that is not his intention and t...

Jeremy Lefroy | 608 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who, along with other colleagues, including my right hon. Friend the Member for Haltem...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously I cannot comment on how long the Minister will remain in his post—we will see what happ...

David Davis | 608 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman comes right to the point. He does not have to rely on the good will of this Mi...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether future Prime Minister Gove will appoint the Minister to the Cabinet—we shal...

Nick Boles | 608 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Could you advise me whether it is in order for the House ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 608 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether that is good or bad for the House.

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to leave the Minister alone for the rest of the debate, apart from on the issues we ar...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

What is having to review all this information going to cost the taxpayer? The Minister skated ove...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. Given that the Government’s stated purpose in doing this is to look after the interests o...

Alec Shelbrooke | 608 cc1484-5 (Link to this contribution)

I should like to speak to amendment (a) to Lords amendment 2. I hope my comments are met in the s...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that many trade unions have thresholds in their rule books to ensure ...

Alec Shelbrooke | 608 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that, but as the hon. Gentleman says, the threshold is not uniform, and in the public se...

Chris Stephens | 608 cc1485-6 (Link to this contribution)

I draw attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and my trade union a...

Alison Thewliss | 608 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

Given the increase in postal charges in recent years, does my hon. Friend agree that it also cost...

Chris Stephens | 608 cc1486-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I agree. I also take the view that postal balloting prolongs the length of a dispute because...

Lord Beamish | 608 cc1488-9 (Link to this contribution)

First, I declare an interest as a member of the GMB. My wife also works for a trade union.

...

Nick Boles | 608 c1489 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to take up time because lots of Members want to speak, but may I draw the hon. Gent...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1489 (Link to this contribution)

I know this Government love things foreign, but may I tell the Minister, with great respect, that...

Andrew Gwynne | 608 c1489 (Link to this contribution)

That has been said not just by the Electoral Commission, but by the Electoral Reform Society, whi...

Lord Beamish | 608 cc1489-1490 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point. The Minister backed himself into a corner by saying that ...

Rachael Maskell | 608 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to challenge the Government about the way in which they are handling the Lords amendments....

Rachael Maskell | 608 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

I will just quickly declare an interest first. I am a member of Unite and of the GMB, and was a U...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 608 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the evidential basis for the entire Bill has been non-existent thr...

Rachael Maskell | 608 cc1491-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making those points, and in particular, the point that levels of indus...

Lindsay Hoyle | 608 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

Order. If we are all brief, nearly everybody will get in.

Tommy Sheppard | 608 cc1492-3 (Link to this contribution)

At every stage of this Bill I have asked what great calamity there is in our land’s industrial re...

Melanie Onn | 608 cc1493-4 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief. I welcome the Government’s shift in position, particularly on check-off. I do n...

David Anderson | 608 c1494 (Link to this contribution)

This is supposed to be about modernising —that is the word the Minister used—ballots, but it is r...

Jim Cunningham | 608 c1494 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and I know, as does anybody who has been involved in these things, that for the pa...

David Anderson | 608 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right about that. If instead of talking to the TaxPayers Alliance to...

Greg Mulholland | 608 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

I realise that time is short, so I shall be brief. Welcome as it is that the Government have been...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 608 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not amazing that a party that tells us all that it is in favour of the free market has in t...

Greg Mulholland | 608 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

It certainly presents itself as an extremely draconian Bill whose drafting involved no collaborat...

Jo Stevens | 608 c1496 (Link to this contribution)

Let me begin by drawing the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial I...

Nick Boles | 608 c1505 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.

Natascha Engel | 608 c1505 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to consider the following:

Lords amendments 3 to 6.

L...

Nick Boles | 608 cc1505-7 (Link to this contribution)

The amendments improve the Bill and take account of a number of points of concern raised by Membe...

Kevin Brennan | 608 cc1506-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. There is a great physical similarity between me and my...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that this will not be difficult for many trade unions because on their ...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

Given that my hon. Friend has been physically mistaken for me, I am not surprised that our opinio...

David Anderson | 608 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

May I take my hon. Friend back to his comments about the work of the House of Lords? I echo the w...

Kevin Brennan | 608 cc1509-1510 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to Lord Cormack for his work on the Bill and his words in the House of Lords. He mi...

Tommy Sheppard | 608 c1510 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that the clear intention behind the move from opt out to opt in i...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1510 (Link to this contribution)

It is accepted that there is a special relationship between the Labour party and the trade union ...

Lord Beamish | 608 cc1510-2 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the work of the Lords, which my hon. Friend has just outlined. It is quite clear what t...

Rachael Maskell | 608 c1512 (Link to this contribution)

It is really important to calculate the real cost of check-off. The cost is absolutely nominal, a...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1512 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. This shows my age, but the process used to have to be done manually, which meant that th...

Natascha Engel | 608 c1512 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to Chris Stephens. I should have called him before the last speaker.

Chris Stephens | 608 cc1512-3 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North Durham (Mr ...

Wes Streeting | 608 cc1513-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this debate. I declare an interest as a member of U...

Chris Stephens | 608 c1514 (Link to this contribution)

Is another key role for trade unions that of welfare, and giving workers assistance and help that...

Wes Streeting | 608 c1514 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly agree. The hon. Gentleman speaks with great experience from his own background i...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1514 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is only thanks to trade unions campaigning and funding legal ac...

Wes Streeting | 608 c1514 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly agree, and if we are honest, too often trade unions have to speak up for people ...

Jo Stevens | 608 c1515 (Link to this contribution)

I speak as a former trade union lawyer who dealt with the legal cases that my hon. Friend referre...

Wes Streeting | 608 c1515 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. I have sat on the employer side of the table when working with trade...

Kevin Brennan | 608 c1515 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill also received forensic scrutiny in the House of Commons, but we could not win any votes....

Wes Streeting | 608 cc1515-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has pre-empted me. I was about to congratulate not just my Front-Bench colleagues ...

Helen Hayes | 608 cc1516-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to put on record the fact that I am a member of the GMB union. It is a great pleasur...

Jo Stevens | 608 c1517 (Link to this contribution)

The Unison campaign on the living wage provides a perfect example. We would not have had a living...

Helen Hayes | 608 cc1517-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right.

Only yesterday, I was encouraged to see so many local N...

Greg Mulholland | 608 c1518 (Link to this contribution)

I will not detain the House for long, as it has been a long day. I just want to remind the House ...

Lord Beamish | 608 c1518 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the hon. Gentleman’s point, but his party is not clean on this, given the money it accep...

Greg Mulholland | 608 cc1518-1520 (Link to this contribution)

I respect the hon. Gentleman, but that is a poor comment, given that I am talking about the party...

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