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Health and Social Care Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 20 March 2012, in the House of Commons, led by Simon Burns. The answering member was Liz Kendall.
Health and Social Care Bill. Programme motion (no. 4) on consideration of Lords amendments and subsequent stages agreed to on division (316 to 246). Lords amendments considered and agreed to.

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Reference

542 c685-764 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Lords amendments and Commons amendments

Procedure

Timetabling of bills

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Health and Social Care Bill. As amended on re-committal, in Public Bill Committee. In two volumes.
Monday, 18 July 2011
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Speaker | 542 c690 (Link to this contribution) I must draw the House's attention to the fact that financial privilege is involved in Lords amendmen...
Simon Burns | 542 c690 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.

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Stephen Pound | 542 c758 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for her question. It is a great sadness and reflects ill on my perso...
Lilian Greenwood | 542 c758 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the deepest problems with this Bill is that the people's voice...
Fiona O'Donnell | 542 c758 (Link to this contribution) If it is difficult for those people to imagine how they can rely on the NHS, surely they should take...
Stephen Pound | 542 c758 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend tempts me down a partisan path. I hope she will forgive me if on this occasion I will...
Speaker | 542 c759 (Link to this contribution) Order. [Hon. Members: ““More!””] Whatever the views of Members, there is no time for more.
Speaker | 542 c763 (Link to this contribution) We come now to the petition. Before I call the hon. Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell)...
Speaker | 542 c764 (Link to this contribution) If Members wish to stay, they should stay. If they wish to leave, perhaps they can do so quickly and...
Grahame Morris | 542 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend and am grateful for her intervention. Those points were exercised in a r...
Chi Onwurah | 542 c755 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on the important points he is making, particularly his last point on p...
Grahame Morris | 542 c755 (Link to this contribution) I do agree. Indeed, Professor Steve Field, whom the Government appointed to head up the listening ex...
Fiona O'Donnell | 542 c754 (Link to this contribution) It is valuable to the debate that my hon. Friend is highlighting his concerns about confidentiality....
Helen Jones | 542 c756 (Link to this contribution) I hate to disagree with my hon. Friend but is not the difference between the right hon. Member for B...
Stephen Pound | 542 c756-7 (Link to this contribution) I yield to no one in my admiration for my hon. Friend and her knowledge of the slightly occult relig...
Stephen Pound | 542 c756 (Link to this contribution) May I trespass upon your good nature, Mr Speaker, to endeavour to speak on behalf of the House to pr...
Fiona O'Donnell | 542 c757 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that part of the problem is that such a complex piece of legislation is be...
Stephen Pound | 542 c758 (Link to this contribution) As ever, my hon. Friend makes an important point. In responding to it, I would like to ask the House...
Jim Shannon | 542 c757 (Link to this contribution) Do the hon. Gentleman's exhortations mean that the pen is not mightier than the sword?
Stephen Pound | 542 c757 (Link to this contribution) I am not entirely sure, Mr Speaker, whether you would allow the debate to go down that line, but wer...
Lord Lansley | 542 c752 (Link to this contribution) In commenting on the level of nursing staff, will the hon. Gentleman observe that since the election...
Liz Kendall | 542 c751 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for the Minister who moved these particularly...
John Healey | 542 c750-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend hits right at the heart of the flaws in the arrangements proposed tonight, which I wa...
Andrew George | 542 c751-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Wentworth and Dearne (John Healey), who has tak...
Speaker | 542 c751 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her point of order. It is in order for the Minister not to be here at this...
Andrew George | 542 c753 (Link to this contribution) I shall sidestep that question at present and return to it later, because I first want to listen to ...
Andrew George | 542 c753-4 (Link to this contribution) Earlier, I asked a question about the rationale behind the last-minute change from having independen...
Grahame Morris | 542 c754 (Link to this contribution) Although the HealthWatch issue is important, in the brief time available to me I want to talk about ...
Andrew George | 542 c752-3 (Link to this contribution) I am not in a position to doubt that figure. The question is whether the ratio is sufficient to ensu...
Fiona O'Donnell | 542 c753 (Link to this contribution) I feel as if I have been here before, in that I agree with some of what Government Members are sayin...
Simon Hughes | 542 c746-7 (Link to this contribution) Let me deal with both those points. I acknowledge that absolutely. On past occasions, the right hon....
Andy Burnham | 542 c746 (Link to this contribution) I listened to what the right hon. Gentleman said about misrepresentation and I wonder who he had in ...
Simon Hughes | 542 c745-6 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely understand both those points. I understand that commissioning groups cannot subcontract...
Paul Burstow | 542 c745 (Link to this contribution) Just to be absolutely clear, clinical commissioning groups cannot subcontract decision making about ...
Simon Hughes | 542 c744-5 (Link to this contribution) I understand that point and share some of those concerns. I hope that the Minister will explain befo...
John Healey | 542 c749-50 (Link to this contribution) I find it dismaying, because there are so many people who are committed to the health service, work ...
Nicholas Dakin | 542 c750 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a very decisive set of points. I would like briefly to draw his atten...
John Healey | 542 c749 (Link to this contribution) My answer to my hon. Friend's second question is no, and I do not know the answer to her first quest...
Fiona O'Donnell | 542 c749 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend not find it incredible that after a pause, two Bill Committees and all the...
Chi Onwurah | 542 c749 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my right hon. Friend on the many excellent points he is making. Is it his understandi...
Diane Abbott | 542 c742 (Link to this contribution) She will, you know. Does she agree that it is apparent over the years that it is one thing to see an...
Liz Kendall | 542 c742 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her, as always, powerful and eloquent description of the realities of the...
Liz Kendall | 542 c742 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not giving way to the Minister. Although I have said that a number of amendments in the g...
Liz Kendall | 542 c742 (Link to this contribution) I have told the Minister that I am not giving way to him. These amendments are overwhelmingly outwe...
Liz Kendall | 542 c744 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman says that there is more to do and that that can be done in regulations, but...
Andrew George | 542 c744 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will have heard me intervene on my hon. Friend the Minister of State on that is...
Simon Hughes | 542 c744 (Link to this contribution) I understand that. I was not pretending that everything could be dealt with in regulations. I said t...
Paul Burstow | 542 c735-7 (Link to this contribution) Despite the noises off, the fact is that there is considerable scope for that sort of public shaping...
Liz Kendall | 542 c737-9 (Link to this contribution) I start by sharing with hon. Members a letter to the Prime Minister on 13 March from Malcolm Alexand...
Paul Burstow | 542 c735 (Link to this contribution) I see that my right hon. Friend wants to intervene.
Simon Hughes | 542 c735 (Link to this contribution) One last time—I am grateful to the Minister. Will he put on the record what constituents all over En...
Simon Hughes | 542 c741 (Link to this contribution) These are important issues, but I hope the hon. Lady recognises that on the public health agenda, wh...
Liz Kendall | 542 c741 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman might think that that on its own will protect the system, but as he well kn...
Andrew George | 542 c739 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the hon. Lady's arguments about the structure and funding of local healt...
Liz Kendall | 542 c739-41 (Link to this contribution) I would encourage the hon. Gentleman to read the Opposition Front Bench amendment tabled in the Hous...
Diane Abbott | 542 c741 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree with me—
Liz Kendall | 542 c741 (Link to this contribution) The point is that the rest of the Bill absolutely trumps that. That is the concern of others—[Interr...
Steve Brine | 542 c741 (Link to this contribution) I was unfairly chuntering from a sedentary position a minute ago, and I thought I would like to plac...
Simon Hughes | 542 c733 (Link to this contribution) One thing that has got lost in all the noise about the Bill is the fact that there will be more oppo...
Paul Burstow | 542 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. Hard-wired throughout the Bill are requirements on patient...
Andrew George | 542 c734 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, particularly for his last remark. I know that he will come on to Lo...
Paul Burstow | 542 c734 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for the opportunity to do just that. First and foremost, I want to b...
Simon Hughes | 542 c727 (Link to this contribution) The NHS wants to remain in the public sector and deserves to be supported by us to do so. I refuse ...
Paul Burstow | 542 c731 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 11.
Speaker | 542 c731 (Link to this contribution) With this we will consider Lords amendments 12, 43 to 53, 61, 62, 168 to 241, 243 to 245, 247, 249 t...
Paul Burstow | 542 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) This group encompasses a number of Lords amendments relating to public health, public involvement, l...
Grahame Morris | 542 c734 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify that point and the issue raised earlier by the right hon. Member for Bermo...
Paul Burstow | 542 c734 (Link to this contribution) The point is that the body will discharge a number of statutory functions. The models that the hon. ...
Simon Hughes | 542 c726 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend and then to the shadow Secretary of State.
Simon Hughes | 542 c726 (Link to this contribution) In a second. There are one or two cases, such as the Royal Marsden, which have historically had a hi...
Simon Hughes | 542 c725 (Link to this contribution) I am absolutely clear that I was not sent to this place to force through the privatisation of the NH...
Andy Burnham | 542 c725 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Dan Poulter | 542 c724 (Link to this contribution) I hope I reassured my hon. Friend with my earlier answer. Yes, he is right that that has happened in...
Alex Cunningham | 542 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the amendment and to speak against anything that will allow 49% of the capacity of...
Paul Burstow | 542 c726 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for setting out these issues again so clearly and for putting ...
Simon Hughes | 542 c726-7 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. That is why the amendments tabled by the right hon. Member for Leigh (Andy Burnham) a...
Paul Burstow | 542 c710 (Link to this contribution) I am coming on to deal with a whole section of amendments that were made in the other House and whic...
Karl Turner | 542 c710 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister say whether Monitor will keep its role as an independent regulator of foundation t...
Speaker | 542 c710 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but I am having some difficulty hearing his response to...
Paul Burstow | 542 c710 (Link to this contribution) I am responding to my hon. Friend and, if the hon. Gentleman does not mind, I am going to carry on d...
Paul Burstow | 542 c711 (Link to this contribution) That shows a fundamental flaw in the hon. Gentleman's argument and in his understanding of what the ...
Paul Burstow | 542 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to make some progress and then I will be more than happy to give way. [Interruption.]...
Jim Shannon | 542 c712 (Link to this contribution) Many hon. Members will probably have received correspondence from the Nuffield Trust saying that"““m...
Grahame Morris | 542 c711 (Link to this contribution) I wish to seek a point of clarification on the Minister's reference to what Earl Howe said about the...
Speaker | 542 c705 (Link to this contribution) Order. This is not just a conversation between the Government Front Bench and its supporters and the...
John Pugh | 542 c704 (Link to this contribution) Let me begin by paying tribute to my colleagues in the House of Lords, who have improved the Bill si...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 542 c703-4 (Link to this contribution) I will speak very briefly. Let me begin by pointing out to the hon. Member for Leicester West (Liz K...
Speaker | 542 c703 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think the hon. Gentleman will find that he is referring to the wrong group of amendments. T...
Alex Cunningham | 542 c703 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment relating to Monitor and NHS foundation trusts. The Government seek to amend ...
Speaker | 542 c709 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Lords amendments 64 to 73 and 75 to 147. ...
Paul Burstow | 542 c709 (Link to this contribution) The amendments cover Monitor, the regulation of NHS services and the governance of foundation trusts...
John Pugh | 542 c705 (Link to this contribution) The Minister could undoubtedly answer my query and deal with my anxiety. A significant regulatory is...
Paul Burstow | 542 c709 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 63.
Paul Burstow | 542 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) No, because the overarching duty is that the service remains free at the point of use. Also, there a...
Karl Turner | 542 c715 (Link to this contribution) Is it right that the only provision preventing privatisation is the requirement in clause 161 that f...
Paul Burstow | 542 c716 (Link to this contribution) Absolute nonsense. That is part of the rhetoric and fantasy that we have heard throughout the Bill's...
Baroness Keeley | 542 c716 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether I am alone in this—I do not think so—but the notion of foundation trust govern...
Mark Simmonds | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that most of the foundation trusts that are interested in raising and remo...
Paul Burstow | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the point; those moneys have to be reinvested—[Interruption.]
Paul Burstow | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's point seems to have upset some hon. Members, but it was entirely—
Paul Burstow | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) Let me at least do my hon. Friend the courtesy of answering his point before taking another interven...
Baroness Keeley | 542 c714 (Link to this contribution) I have asked the Secretary of State about McKinsey and Co. in this Chamber and through a written que...
Paul Burstow | 542 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not; the reports to which the hon. Gentleman refers, which had a substantial exposé in Th...
Grahame Morris | 542 c713 (Link to this contribution) I would appreciate the Minister's clarification about reports that have been made available as a res...
Paul Burstow | 542 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) What I heard the hon. Gentleman set out was a rehearsal of the interrelationship that exists between...
Paul Burstow | 542 c714 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady says it is a strange set-up and refers to her endeavours to get an answer to the quest...
Simon Hughes | 542 c714 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is dealing with matters of great concern outside this place, and I am clear that all ...
Paul Burstow | 542 c714 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his questions. Let me start with the issue of Hinchingbroo...
Paul Burstow | 542 c715 (Link to this contribution) No. I shall make some progress, if the hon. Lady does not mind. In addition, Monitor could also, in...
Paul Burstow | 542 c714 (Link to this contribution) I have answered the hon. Gentleman's question. He should read Hansard later. I was asked, finally, ...
Liz Kendall | 542 c695 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely concur with my right hon. Friend. For the record in this House, I pay tribute to our co...
Robert Walter | 542 c692 (Link to this contribution) I met GPs and consultants in Tavistock in west Devon the other day. One of the great concerns that c...
Simon Burns | 542 c692-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my hon. Friend will be reassured by two points. First, the Bill contains far greater dut...
Liz Kendall | 542 c694 (Link to this contribution) There have been 1,000 Government amendments to this disastrous Health and Social Care Bill—374 in th...
John Healey | 542 c695 (Link to this contribution) Before my hon. Friend moves on, will she pay tribute to our Labour colleagues in the Lords, who have...
Speaker | 542 c690 (Link to this contribution) With this we will consider the following: Lords amendments 2 to 10 and 13 to 30. Lords amendment 3...
Simon Burns | 542 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) The aim of this Bill is to secure a national health service that achieves results that are among the...
Andrew George | 542 c691 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify something in view of what he has just said about the conflict that all mem...
Simon Burns | 542 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the hon. Gentleman's intervention, but I am afraid I do not share that view. I hope tha...
Liz Kendall | 542 c695 (Link to this contribution) I will finish this point. However, under the Bill, clinical commissioning groups—the newest bodies ...
Grahame Morris | 542 c700 (Link to this contribution) I will in a moment, but I want to pose a few questions first. The Secretary of State clearly cannot ...
Simon Burns | 542 c700 (Link to this contribution) There is almost—no, there is—an air of déjà vu to this part of the hon. Gentleman's speech, as there...
Grahame Morris | 542 c700-1 (Link to this contribution) Well, as Aneurin Bevan said, ““You give your version of the truth, and I will give mine.”” In my ass...
Grahame Morris | 542 c701 (Link to this contribution) I have concluded my remarks, so perhaps the Minister can address those points in his summing up.
Dan Poulter | 542 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall make some brief remarks, but I first want to welcome the renewed focus on integrated care, a...
Dan Poulter | 542 c702 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but I will give way to my right hon. Friend the Minister...
Dan Poulter | 542 c703 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for that clarification. The Government are clearly committed to the val...
Simon Burns | 542 c702 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady may not fully appreciate this, but the regulations refer to a minimum of two lay membe...
Jim Shannon | 542 c699-700 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member used the term ““comprehensive health service””. Does he feel that the changes to the...
Liz Kendall | 542 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) I am going to finish this point. The Minister of State, the hon. Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul ...
Liz Kendall | 542 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to proceed. Let me remind hon. Members that the Bill started out without any require...
Grahame Morris | 542 c699 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a few points on Lords amendment 2, which deals with the Secretary of State's duties. ...
Andrew George | 542 c697 (Link to this contribution) Although we welcome Lords amendment 31, which was tabled by my noble Friend Baroness Barker in anoth...
Liz Kendall | 542 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) I am simply arguing in amendment (a) that the same robust mechanisms that exist in local government ...
Simon Burns | 542 c700 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Grahame Morris | 542 c700 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention and I share the hon. Gentleman's concern that this amendment, wh...
Speaker | 542 c721 (Link to this contribution) It is up to each individual Member to make whichever declaration of interest that they wish during a...
Grahame Morris | 542 c721 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I wonder whether I might seek your advice in relation to a d...
Andy Burnham | 542 c721 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should make a speech if he wants to make interventions of that length. We had a c...
Dan Poulter | 542 c721 (Link to this contribution) I am struggling to follow the coherence of the right hon. Gentleman's argument. On the one hand he s...
Andy Burnham | 542 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) That is the ideological difference between us. The hon. Gentleman says that the decision should be a...
Dan Poulter | 542 c720 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will concede that those hospital trusts with a private patient ...
Andy Burnham | 542 c720 (Link to this contribution) I have answered the right hon. Gentleman's question. It was an entirely different situation altogeth...
Andy Burnham | 542 c720 (Link to this contribution) Non-foundation trusts were managed by the Department, and the Department's policy, during our time i...
Andy Burnham | 542 c720 (Link to this contribution) It is not rubbish. They can earn 49% of their income, according to this Bill, from the treatment of ...
Simon Burns | 542 c720 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman just confirm that when his Government brought in controls on foundatio...
Mark Simmonds | 542 c719 (Link to this contribution) I draw the House's attention to the Register of Members' Financial Interests. Does the shadow Secret...
Andy Burnham | 542 c719 (Link to this contribution) Let me answer that directly. The Financial Times has analysed the latest data on actual NHS income e...
Andy Burnham | 542 c720 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not, is the answer—[Interruption.] Well, what has that proved? We had trusts earning income...
Paul Burstow | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) We have also clarified a foundation trust's principal legal purpose to show that it must continue to...
Simon Hughes | 542 c719 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely understand the amendment, as I am sure does the right hon. Gentleman. Given that 1%, 2%...
Andy Burnham | 542 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) It is important to begin by setting out the background to many of the amendments in this group. Desp...
Speaker | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) Order. Minister Burns, I will chair the debate in this Chamber. You will not. Unless you want to sit...
Andy Burnham | 542 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) The amendment gives us no protection at all, and it gives us no protection from the NHS cross-subsid...
Dan Poulter | 542 c723 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in support of the Government, and of what the previous Government did for the NHS. W...
Andy Burnham | 542 c722-3 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I am not at all reassured by that, or in fact by anything the Minister says. The le...
Paul Burstow | 542 c722 (Link to this contribution) The model that the right hon. Gentleman describes is one that he was only too happy to go through th...
Andy Burnham | 542 c722 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to debate that now. The right hon. Gentleman is going to have to defend himself on wh...
Simon Hughes | 542 c722 (Link to this contribution) No, to 5% of its current figure—not 5% in total, but a 5% proportion. That is what the amendment say...
Andrew George | 542 c724 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the majority of the private work at the Royal Marsden is in areas such as resear...
Andrew George | 542 c723 (Link to this contribution) I understand and respect the sincerity of the principle that my hon. Friend is describing, but can h...
Speaker | 542 c717 (Link to this contribution) Order. Members will not keep shouting across the Chamber, from either Front Bench or elsewhere.
Simon Hughes | 542 c722 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I have any more support or encouragement for the private sector in the NHS than ...
Liz Kendall | 542 c753 (Link to this contribution) On 26 October 2006, when the Secretary of State was the shadow Secretary of State, he set out his po...
John Healey | 542 c747-9 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to speak in this part of the debate but I was so underwhelmed and unimpressed by ...
Simon Hughes | 542 c742-4 (Link to this contribution) These amendments—the last group that we shall consider tonight—contain important issues, including t...
Paul Burstow | 542 c710 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Part 3 is a key element of the Bill. As the Government have made c...
John Pugh | 542 c705 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says ““No””, but I tabled a question recently in which I asked him whether he had taken...
Liz Kendall | 542 c702 (Link to this contribution) The fundamental difference is that under the Bill only two lay people will be appointed as members o...
Andrew George | 542 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my noble Friends Baroness Jolly, Baroness Barker, Lord Marks, Baroness Williams, Baro...
Dan Poulter | 542 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point, and he is right to raise it. That happened in the past when, und...

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Health and Social Care Bill 2010-12

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