London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Grand Committee off the floor of the House (Moses Room). Clauses 5 to 33 agreed to. Schedules 2 and 3 agreed to. New clause under consideration.
London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Bill
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London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Bill. Brought from Commons . Explanatory Notes HL Bill 52-EN also published .(Bill previously known as London Olympics Bill)
Wednesday, 7 December 2005
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Wednesday, 7 December 2005
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Higgins | 678 c184-5GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has not dealt with my point—that at the moment the clause deals entirely with the polic...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c191GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend and to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for their support on this eso...
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Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c191-2GC (Link to this contribution)
The matter can be taken care of with the addition of two words to subsection (1). I was hoping that ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c197GC (Link to this contribution)
Will it be a positive or a negative order?
Lord Glentoran | 678 c197GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down, I have a technical question for him. Will an Act of Parliament be n...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
While my noble friend the Minister considers his reply to that question, which I shall also be inter...
Lord Higgins | 678 c212GC (Link to this contribution)
One should not believe everything, or perhaps anything at all, that one sees in various press report...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c216-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend is bound to accept that we seek to create some temporary improvement in transport re...
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c220-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 60:"Page 14, line 46, at end insert—"
““( ) shall provide for exceptions f...
Lord Pendry | 678 c236GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. I was not suggesting banning, rather working within th...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c229-30GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may intervene briefly before my noble friend Lord Glentoran and the noble Lord, Lord Cleme...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c232-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I have tabled my Amendments Nos. 67 and 68—which are virtually one and the same—as serious probing a...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c181GC (Link to this contribution)
So that I am sure that I understand, are we being told that the Secretary of State could issue guida...
Lord Higgins | 678 c183GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry that I was unable to attend the Committee last Tuesday. I was heavily involved in the Spe...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c185GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord will recognise that in this area we do not specify every detail of the security force...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c185GC (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister say something further to assure my noble friend? Surely the Commissioner of the M...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c185-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords and to the Minister for their comments. Having spent some time on Tuesd...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c187GC (Link to this contribution)
My Amendment No. 38 is grouped with those of the noble Baroness because it deals with the same claus...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c186-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 35:"Page 5, line 21, after second ““a”” insert ““reasonably””"
The noble Barone...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c190-1GC (Link to this contribution)
The amendment is, unquestionably, a little too vague. It will enhance the Bill, not damage it, if it...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c192-3GC (Link to this contribution)
Returning to the first amendment in the group, the Minister described a position that we would all l...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c193-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendments Nos. 40 and 41, tabled in my name, are part of this group. Amendment No. 41 might appear ...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c195GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the noble Lord’s response and for the contributions from other noble Lords. I beg ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c197GC (Link to this contribution)
I will have to write to the noble Lord about that. I am not in the habit of writing extensive letter...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c197GC (Link to this contribution)
It will be done in secondary legislation.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c196-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I greatly respect those representations and the way in which they have been put forward, although, o...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c199GC (Link to this contribution)
The status of LOGOC in regard to freedom of information will be kept under review and considered aga...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c199-200GC (Link to this contribution)
I want to reinforce a couple of points. I agree with the line that I believe the Minister is taking....
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c200GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord who, from his vast experience, has expressed his position very clear...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c200-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I think I might. Hansard will not record the expression on my face during some of that exchange. Thi...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c201-2GC (Link to this contribution)
We are in grave danger of discussing this clause several times, because I shall oppose the Question ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise, because I did miss that point. There was a fairly extensive range of amendments, and I ...
Lord Higgins | 678 c206GC (Link to this contribution)
I am somewhat puzzled by what is happening here, because the proposed grouping on the list says that...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c210-1GC (Link to this contribution)
The Olympic transport plan will be paid for by the ODA, which has resources for that purpose. But no...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c215-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief. My noble friend has answered one or two of my questions about this clause and the ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c223-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Committee for emphasising that there is considerable anxiety about the provisio...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c222-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My observations will be very brief. They will be familiar to a small number of people who attended a...
Baroness Hooper | 678 c236GC (Link to this contribution)
The Committee stands adjourned until Wednesday 15 February at 3.45 pm.
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c225-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 61:"Page 15, line 15, at end insert—"
““( ) shall consult persons appearin...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c228-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords for their contributions, although I would not mind just a spark of diff...
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c230GC (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the powerful support from the noble Lords, Lord Glentoran and Lord Brooke, and am grateful...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c181GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall not seek to prolong the debate now. I thank the Minister for his supplementary answer and be...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c178-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the Minister will not assure us that the amendment is unnecessary and that he will agree...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c185GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, but I took that somewhat as a given. We all know the times in which...
Lord Higgins | 678 c185GC (Link to this contribution)
I am simply puzzled about why the Minister is so resistant to including the security forces in the B...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c187-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I have sympathy with all the amendments in this group. I apologise for not moving Amendment No. 34 b...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c191GC (Link to this contribution)
That is a very generous offer. I am always prepared to discuss things further between stages of the ...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c193GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 39:"Page 6, line 32, leave out paragraph (b) and insert ““, and"
(iv) the Ma...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
We certainly want a guarantee. The Committee will recall that on the previous occasion the noble Lor...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord will forgive me. He can make me unhappy whenever he likes when I am carrying out my r...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c195GC (Link to this contribution)
Both those answers meet my points entirely. I am grateful to the Minister.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c194-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the two Members of the Committee who have spoken although I think there is an eleme...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c195-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 42:"Page 7, line 17, after ““London”” insert—"
““( ) the Olympic Delivery ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c197GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. I feel like saying, with a certain amount of glee, ““Gotcha””. With t...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c197-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 43:"After Clause 9, insert the following new clause—"
““THE LONDON ORGANISING ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c199GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. It is a serious business. Many other bodies that are not private...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c200GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 47:"Page 8, line 10, at end insert—"
““( ) the London Assembly,””
The nob...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c202-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken on this important issue, although I think the amendment...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that. I am not sure whether the Minister dealt with public consultation but perhap...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that. I shall read his answer about security, but I am not sure that it dea...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 678 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
No, I merely called the amendment. I thought that the noble Lord was going to say that it was not mo...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 51:"Page 8, line 30, at end insert ““, and"
( ) the importance of providin...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c205-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I see. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
[Amendment No. 52 no...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c209GC (Link to this contribution)
I should just like to defend the rail freight industry. Perhaps the noble Lord could tell me when th...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c211-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I take that point on board, and due attention will be paid to it, as it is important that accurate i...
Lord Higgins | 678 c211GC (Link to this contribution)
I still have not had an answer to the question of which view prevails if there is a dispute between ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c212-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 54:"Page 8, line 45, at end insert—"
““( ) Orders made under this section ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c217-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 59:"After Clause 18, insert the following new clause—"
““OLYMPIC LEGACY PLAN
(...
Lord Clement-Jones | 678 c224-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that. I very much welcome the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Brooke. Despi...
Lord Borrie | 678 c223GC (Link to this contribution)
If my noble friend Lord Gordon of Strathblane were present I think he would wish to express support ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c220GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that. I hope I can give a belated, small reassurance to the noble Lord, Lord Glent...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c218-20GC (Link to this contribution)
As if I dared to forget that the noble Lord, Lord Brooke, was present. I share the concerns of all n...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c220GC (Link to this contribution)
Before, the Minister’s last sentence goes into Hansard, he might wish to have another look at it. He...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c236GC (Link to this contribution)
This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday 15 February at 3.45 pm....
Lord Glentoran | 678 c226-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My name is attached to Amendment No. 61 and Amendment No. 62, which is tabled in my name, does almos...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, with whom I am having an extremely constructive workin...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c177-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 30:"After Clause 4, insert the following new clause—"
““OPENNESS
Part 5A of...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c182-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the thrust of the noble Baroness’s amendment. It reflects a great deal of the debate we ha...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c181-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 5, line 12, at end insert ““, and"
( ) the authority shall ensure...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c179-80GC (Link to this contribution)
I am glad to have heard those two representations. They were not unexpected. I believe there is a mi...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 678 c180GC (Link to this contribution)
I think the Minister has misunderstood the argument, which is not about the line of accountability. ...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c180GC (Link to this contribution)
: I agree with the noble Lord—for the reputation of the Government as well for the good governance a...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c181GC (Link to this contribution)
I may have expressed myself too negatively. I respect the arguments put but I reacted rather sharply...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c183-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords for introducing this short debate on security issues, which are of para...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c188-90GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the representations made on these amendments and the way in which the noble Barone...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c188GC (Link to this contribution)
In the light of the statement today from the DCMS about how the elite athletes might repay their fun...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c190GC (Link to this contribution)
I am not trying to be a killjoy, but it is possible that a year or two before the games the budget w...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
Certainly no one would want the ODA to carry on with irrelevant expenditure and irrelevant demands t...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, perhaps I may ask a rather naughty question. Does this by any chance ...
Lord Higgins | 678 c192GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord provokes me into commenting about an issue on which I had decided not to intervene. T...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c196GC (Link to this contribution)
I should like to add a little to what my noble friend said—again, in relation to my experiences with...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c198-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I resist the amendment. I think it barks up the wrong tree entirely. I assure the noble Baroness tha...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
Have we debated it? I was asked to speak to it.
Lord Berkeley | 678 c207-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I am getting more and more confused about which amendments and groups have been debated but, in the ...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c208-9GC (Link to this contribution)
One issue concerns me since I have started reading about the transport plan. The highest risk to the...
Lord Higgins | 678 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
I still cannot find reference to the extensive debate that we are apparently supposed to have had on...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c209-10GC (Link to this contribution)
I did not know that such a wide range of issues would suddenly emerge when we got to Clause 10. It w...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c211GC (Link to this contribution)
It may be helpful for the Minister to be able to take counsel on that question. As a bystander, I sh...
Baroness Hamwee | 678 c215GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. It is not just disruption which is on the minds of the boroughs. They...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c213-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall resist the amendments, but I am nevertheless grateful to the noble Baroness for having table...
Lord Berkeley | 678 c212GC (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased by what he said about rail freight, but it is worrying that none of the rail freight op...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 678 c218GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will recall my moving amendments at our previous Sitting on the subject of biodiversity...
Lord Glentoran | 678 c218GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness’s amendment, not necessarily in detail, but certainly in concept. The C...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c220GC (Link to this contribution)
Once again, I am indebted to the eagle ear of the noble Lord. The issue that I was seeking to emphas...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 678 c234-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to noble Lords for their contributions. My noble friend Lord Pendry has focused on an ...
Lord Pendry | 678 c230-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 66:"After Clause 33, insert the following new clause—"
““BETTING
(1) The Gam...
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