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Children and Families Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 28 January 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage (fourth day). Amendment 53ZAAA disagreed to on division (142 to 209). Amendment 53ZAAB disagreed to on division (118 to 153). Amendments agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

751 cc1112-1200 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Children and Families Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. As amended in Lords committee.
Wednesday, 20 November 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-0189
Tuesday, 28 January 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-0225
Tuesday, 28 January 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Countess of Mar | 751 c1112 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Countess of Mar

51: Clause 73, page 51, line 1, at beginning insert—

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Countess of Mar | 751 c1112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that this amendment has already been debated, but unfortunately Mother Nature...


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Baroness Masham of Ilton | 751 c1112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and I thought I would say that to give the Minister time.

Lord Nash | 751 c1112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness. The answer to the noble Countess’s question is that it will...

Countess of Mar | 751 c1112 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord. I am pleased to have had it made clear. On that basis, I be...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1112-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

52ZA: Clause 73, page 51, line 4, at end insert—

““appropria...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 751 c1117 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

53: After Clause 73, insert the following new C...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 751 cc1117-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 53ZAAA. The two amendments cover different aspects of s...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 c1120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as many noble Lords know, I have campaigned for good, mandatory, quality PSHE, not just...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 751 c1120 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness will know that the previous Government, when I was the Minister, tried to intr...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 cc1120-1 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is right. It may well be a step in the right direction, but we need to wait until ...

Baroness Kidron | 751 cc1121-3 (Link to this contribution)

I support both of these amendments, to which I have added my name. I want to associate myself wit...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 751 cc1123-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support a great deal of what the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, said, in her introductio...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 751 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly contribute to what I consider to be a very important debate. This is a s...

Bishop of Leicester | 751 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 53 and speak in place of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of O...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 751 cc1125-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to delay the House for long, because I do not think I can add to the spee...

Baroness Tonge | 751 cc1126-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as an independent Liberal Democrat, I am not bound by the rules of the group. I am very...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 751 c1127 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness. These clauses are linked in a way that has not yet bee...

Baroness Tonge | 751 c1127 (Link to this contribution)

On a humorous note, I went to a very enlightened girls’ grammar school, and was there in the 1950...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 751 cc1127-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to hear that. I was going to conclude with a point to do not only with sex, but with...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 751 cc1128-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendments and thank my noble friend Lady Jones for placing them be...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 751 cc1129-1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was indeed a powerful speech to follow and I thank my noble friend for making it. ...

Lord Northbourne | 751 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can identify with many of the anxieties that have been expressed today. I want to mak...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 751 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is just a small question that worries me very much. I was unable to listen to as ...

Baroness Eaton | 751 cc1130-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard a number of very powerful contributions this evening and the subject matt...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 751 cc1131-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak in this debate, but I find myself in some difficulties in k...

Baroness Brinton | 751 cc1132-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was chair of education in Cambridgeshire in the late 1990s. One of the things that Ca...

Lord Storey | 751 cc1133-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say to the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy, that this is not just about 12 and 13 year-o...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble Lord has not noticed that subsection (7)(d) of the new clause proposed in the a...

Lord Storey | 751 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

I would need to know whether that overrode current legislation. I suspect that it does not, altho...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 751 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to clarify for the noble Lord that if it is set out in statute, it overrides the l...

Lord Storey | 751 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

So what about free schools, then?

Lord Storey | 751 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

They are not though, are they? They are not mentioned.

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the Minister will confirm this, but legally free schools are academies.

Lord Storey | 751 cc1134-5 (Link to this contribution)

When I first came to the House of Lords, I was terrified that I was going to have to give way. No...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1135-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an extremely thoughtful and well informed debate. I thank the noble Baron...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 751 cc1139-1140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. I also thank the Minister ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 751 cc1140-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Massey of Darwen

53ZA: After Clause 73, insert the following new Cl...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 751 cc1141-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in introducing this amendment, I first thank the Minister and his officials for the way...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment but as the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, has expl...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 751 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is good to be able to give a very warm welcome to one of the amendments put down by ...

Lord Storey | 751 cc1143-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the thanks to the noble Baroness, Lady Massey. In the previous debate we, rightl...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 751 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will just say a word about the “E” in PSHE. I pay tribute to the Minister and the deg...

Lord Northbourne | 751 cc1144-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the House because I have a problem with my inner ear and I may have fail...

Lord Ramsbotham | 751 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Northbourne and his amendment. We discussed places of de...

Lord Hylton | 751 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, both amendments in this group are full of good points. Therefore, I ask the Minister to...

Baroness Benjamin | 751 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey. Whenever ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 751 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, in her campaign and I believe that the ...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1146-1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very insightful debate. I thank all noble Lords who have tabled these a...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 751 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his very positive response and for all his hard work and that ...

Lord Nash | 751 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must say to the noble Baroness that I have considered this matter very carefully and ...

Lord Northbourne | 751 cc1150-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Northbourne

53ZAA: After Clause 73, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Northbourne | 751 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

I am impressed by what the noble Lord has told us about what the Government are doing. Unfortunat...

Lord Nash | 751 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

I assure the noble Lord that I take this matter very seriously, as I said in reply to the noble B...

Lord Northbourne | 751 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Subject to that reservation, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 751 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

53ZAAA: After Clause 73, insert the following n...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 751 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to rehearse what was a very good argument. I believe that the argument was definite...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 751 cc1153-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Howe of Idlicote

53ZAAB: After Clause 73, insert the following new ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 751 cc1156-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the new clause to be inserted under Amendment 53ZAAB proposes, first, that we adopt a s...

Baroness Benjamin | 751 cc1159-1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, and I congratulate her...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 751 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, and her amendment. I wish to make only one poi...

Earl of Listowel | 751 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to offer my strongest support to my noble friend’s amendment as vice-cha...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 751 cc1160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to add a brief word of my own in support of the amendment. It is a feature...

Lord Lucas | 751 cc1161-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while I share the concerns of the noble Baroness—particularly as I have an 11 year-old ...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 751 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the previous speaker has made very plain that the ingenuity of young people is very con...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 cc1162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, speak in support of the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, which is al...

Baroness Northover | 751 cc1163-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, for tabling this amendment and for n...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 751 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for taking part in this debate. There were some excellent contr...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hughes of Stretford

53ZAB: Schedule 4, page 171, line 15, after “ag...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 cc1166-1170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 53ZAC standing in my name and I shall speak in support ...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 c1171 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, for supporting my Amendment 53A. I have consid...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 751 c1171 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very much in sympathy with the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, in her wish to ensur...

Earl of Listowel | 751 c1171 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am prompted by the amendment of the noble Lady, Baroness Walmsley, to draw your Lords...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1172-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Hughes and Lady Jones, and my noble friends Lady Wal...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 c1173 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and thank other noble Lords who contributed to the ...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1173-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

53AA: Schedule 4, page 171, line 35, leave out “and”

53AB: S...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 751 c1174 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Tyler of Enfield

53B: Clause 76, page 52, line 25, at end insert—

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 751 cc1174-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment relates to Clause 76, which seeks to remove the duty on local authoritie...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 751 cc1175-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 53C, which is also in this group and which would leave out C...

Baroness Northover | 751 cc1177-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to noble Lords for their contributions on this important issue. Ther...

Baroness Northover | 751 c1178 (Link to this contribution)

That is incredibly kind of the noble Baroness. If inspiration does not come, I will be very happy...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 751 c1178 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for her reply, and also the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, for co...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Walmsley

54: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Walmsley | 751 cc1179-1181 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 54, which seeks to close a loophole in the law about corporal ...

Baroness Northover | 751 cc1181-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lady Walmsley and Lord Storey for raising this very important ...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 c1182 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for her reply and my noble friend Lord Storey for his support. ...

Baroness Northover | 751 c1182 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very interesting idea, and I will write to my noble friend.

Baroness Walmsley | 751 cc1182-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that. I did not really think that she would be able to answer that at...

Earl of Listowel | 751 c1183 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Listowel

55: After Clause 79, insert the following new Clause—

Earl of Listowel | 751 cc1183-5 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak also to Amendment 56 standing in my name. The first amendment introduces a requirem...

Baroness Northover | 751 cc1184-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for his amendment. Children’s centres provide an important servi...

Earl of Listowel | 751 c1186 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her careful and encouraging reply. I beg leave to withdraw the...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Walmsley

57: After Clause 79, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Walmsley | 751 cc1187-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I return to this amendment about a form of child abuse, about which we had a very usefu...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 751 cc1188-1190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I deeply respect the tenacity with which the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, has followe...

Baroness Benjamin | 751 c1190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. It has the best interest of the child at its heart and is tar...

Baroness Northover | 751 cc1190-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank my noble friend Lady Walmsley for continuing to press the case with regard ...

Baroness Walmsley | 751 cc1191-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply and other noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I am qui...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 751 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Pitkeathley

57ZA: After Clause 79, insert the following new Clause—...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 751 cc1192-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak also to Amendments 57ZB and 57ZC.

The Care Bill currently being deba...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 751 cc1194-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to support these amendments, to which I added my name. My noble friend men...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 751 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the hour is late, so I will speak briefly in support of these amendments. I pay tribute...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 751 cc1195-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I had got my timing right, my name would have been added to this amendment. I regret...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1196-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Pitkeathley and Lady Lister, for tabling these amend...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 751 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Baronesses who have spoken at this late hour but most of all I thank ...

Lord Nash | 751 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

57A: Before Clause 80, insert the following new Clause—

“Ext...

Lord Nash | 751 cc1198-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 57A, 64A and 65C, which deal with child performance licensi...

Baroness Benjamin | 751 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend the Minister from the bottom of my heart for inserting these ne...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 751 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee we were pleased to support the noble Baroness, Lady Benjamin, and the nobl...

Lord Nash | 751 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my noble friend Lady Benjamin and to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, f...

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