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European Union (Referendum) Bill

Debate on bills on Friday, 22 November 2013, in the House of Commons.
Report stage. Closure motion agreed to on division (265 to 33). Clause 1 amendments, negatived on division (8 to 265), (15 to 249) and (8 to 265). Closure motion agreed to on question (258 to 18). Amendment negatived on division (16 to 255). Debate adjourned. To be further considered on Friday 29 November.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

570 cc1479-1549 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
European Union (Referendum) Bill 2013-14
Wednesday, 19 June 2013
Bills
House of Commons
European Union (Referendum) Bill
Friday, 29 November 2013
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

John Bercow | 570 cc1479-1481 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the House that with this we are discussing the following: Amendment 76, page 1, line 4, ...

John Bercow | 570 c1481 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment of interruption, Mr David Lidington was on his feet in response to an intervention ...


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Gareth Thomas | 570 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have evidence that the Foreign Secretary, possibly, and certai...

John Bercow | 570 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order; it is not a matter for the Chair.

David Lidington | 570 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

I think the answer to the intervention is closely related to comments I want to make about the am...

David Lidington | 570 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way. I hope it is a genuine defence.

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

Two weeks ago, the Minister for Europe was asked by the hon. Member for Gainsborough (Sir Edward ...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

I beg the hon. Gentleman’s pardon. He was hiding at the back. His question to the Minister for Eu...

David Lidington | 570 cc1482-3 (Link to this contribution)

Oh dear, dear, Mr Speaker. Labour Members cannot think of something new today, so they just put o...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 570 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

It is a genuine point of order, because I did not want the House to be inadvertently misled in an...

John Bercow | 570 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made his point. It was not a point of order, as I rather feared it would n...

Mike Gapes | 570 cc1483-4 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the opportunity to speak to a number of amendments in this group standing in my name. [...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

I have studied my hon. Friend’s amendments, in particularly amendment 21, which calls for the ref...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

It might be, but we do not necessarily need to have a referendum. We could say that those who wis...

William Cash | 570 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman is saying. On the status quo, given the urgen...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with the hon. Gentleman, just as other Members, including his predecessor as Chair of ...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point my hon. Friend is making, but in practice would it not be confusing for ho...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my hon. Friend’s sympathy for those Conservative Members of Parliament who might fin...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s amendment would not only mean some or most Conservative Members of Parliament ca...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that; it is another valid argument.

The second amendment I want to comment on is a...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the amendment tabled by the hon. Member for Windsor (Adam Afriyie)...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

I can see some of the attractions in that. Moreover, the fact that the hon. Member for Windsor ad...

Edward Leigh | 570 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is perfectly entitled to use parliamentary tactics to pepper this Bill with di...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is a great expert on Friday debates. I am prepared to listen carefully to him ...

Wayne David | 570 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend see a real problem with the situation in Scotland, whereby votes will be give...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. The previous set of amendments, on which we have not yet voted, included amendments proposed...

Seema Malhotra | 570 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, as always, makes an excellent speech. Does he agree with me that to offer 16 and ...

Mike Gapes | 570 cc1486-7 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend, but I would not wish to stray back into the debates on th...

Helen Goodman | 570 c1487 (Link to this contribution)

On that very issue, is my hon. Friend aware of what Nissan said a couple of weeks ago? It said th...

Mike Gapes | 570 cc1487-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely—and it is not just Nissan; it is any major international company that wishes to locate...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1488 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend believe that we would be better informed and able to make a more informed dec...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1488 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we would. However, as the Foreign Secretary made clear in giving evidence to the Foreig...

Wayne David | 570 c1488 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to pre-empt a discussion that we will have later, but it is noticeable that the Ele...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1488 (Link to this contribution)

That could happen if the Government were prepared to start putting those arguments. However, as t...

Mark Hendrick | 570 cc1488-9 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree, although I would have said that the cart was being put before the horse rather t...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1489 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, I did not table these amendments to push all of them to a vote. However, I would be in...

Wayne David | 570 c1489 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made an extremely important point. If there were that element of confusion abo...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way briefly, then I must make progress.

Martin Horwood | 570 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a good point about how absurd it would be for the referendum—or even...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes my arguments for me on amendment 58, so I will not repeat them. There ar...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

Five years ago, the mayor of my borough was a Zoroastrian. It is a long established, very old rel...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to give way any more, as I want to make progress. I want to conclude my remarks soo...

John Baron | 570 cc1490-1 (Link to this contribution)

I stand to speak briefly against any amendments, no matter how well intentioned, designed to brin...

John Baron | 570 c1491 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, because time is short. [Interruption.] All right, I will give way briefly.

Martin Horwood | 570 c1491 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman must not keep repeating this idea that the Liberal Democrats are against refer...

John Baron | 570 cc1491-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the hon. Gentleman made that intervention, because it is clear to everyone, bot...

John Baron | 570 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way. If the hon. Gentleman does not mind, I will continue. We need time for the P...

Lord Spellar | 570 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, the hon. Gentleman does not want to delay the House for too long, but could he define ...

John Baron | 570 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

From my point of view, there are no shortages of powers that need repatriating. Let us be clear—[...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak to amendments 68 and 70 and new schedule 2. Before we have a referendum on whethe...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the hon. Member for Stockton South (James Wharton) has spoken a great deal in the nor...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the hon. Gentleman intends to speak later. I know how vocal he has been in the region on ...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

Nissan and Hitachi Rail Europe are two cases in point. On 8 November, at the launch of the new Qa...

Jack Dromey | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. The automotive sector is now a world-class success sto...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right and that is why I believe that we should have some consultatio...

Bridget Phillipson | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, like me, has visited the Nissan plant in Sunderland and as a Sunderland MP I know...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. In a moment, I shall come on to the importance of Nissan. It is not ...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point about the impact on the automotive industry. Did he see...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

None of the issues being raised by my hon. Friends should be considered lightly. They are importa...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1494 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend referred to amendment 70. Is not one of the problems with that amendment the fact ...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1494 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. We need an independent report to prove why staying in Eu...

Edward Leigh | 570 c1494 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, the hon. Gentleman wants Britain to stay in the European Union. That is perfectly okay...

Phil Wilson | 570 cc1494-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree with a referendum in four years’ time given that nobody knows what the question wi...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for reminding the House of what The Northern Echo said. Would it not be gr...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

There is certainly a deafening silence from the hon. Member for Stockton South.

Lord Wharton of Yarm | 570 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

I have been as disciplined as I can, Mr Speaker, as I do not wish to drag out the debate. However...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the hon. Gentleman should make a speech on these issues. Let us not forget that I am plea...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the reason for the silence from the hon. Member for Stockton South (James Wharton) blatant...

Edward Leigh | 570 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. By your reckoning, has my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton So...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1496 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Stockton South was provoked into speaking in his own debate. That tells a tal...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1496 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend.

The next time the hon. Member for Stockton South wants to turn...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1496 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some progress, if my hon. Friend does not mind.

More than 140,000 jobs in th...

Steve Reed | 570 c1496 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend give way?

10.30 am

Phil Wilson | 570 cc1496-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to make some progress.

Total exports from the north-east to the EU last year w...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1497 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that one European success story has been Airbus? This week’s announceme...

Phil Wilson | 570 c1497 (Link to this contribution)

Again, my hon. Friend is absolutely right. That proves the importance of our role in Europe now a...

William Cash | 570 c1497 (Link to this contribution)

Despite everything the hon. Gentleman is saying, does he agree that it is essential that we have ...

Phil Wilson | 570 cc1497-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thought that the hon. Gentleman would make an intervention during my speech, so I looked at the...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1498 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendment 62 and new schedule 1, which I tabled, and to support a range of oth...

Wayne David | 570 c1498 (Link to this contribution)

There is a lot of merit in my hon. Friend’s suggestion because there are a number of precedents o...

Chris Williamson | 570 cc1498-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that point, which I was going to incorporate in my speech. I ...

Steve Reed | 570 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend was speaking about the potential negative economic consequences of the proposal to...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, but the problem for the Prime Minister is that he has been taken prisoner by extremists i...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

We are offered a choice between a Speaker’s Committee made up of elected Members in amendment 62 ...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I tabled amendment 62 and new schedule 1 to deal with that very point.

Mike Gapes | 570 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

As my amendment 58 has been mentioned, I thought I should make a brief intervention. I have consi...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I was in no way seeking to be critical of him. His amendment was...

William Cash | 570 c1500 (Link to this contribution)

When the hon. Gentleman refers to extremists, is he aware that France, Ireland, Holland and Denma...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1500 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, but I was not referring to extremists in France and Denmark....

Mike Gapes | 570 c1500 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Stone (Mr Cash) refers to referendums in Ireland and Denmark. He is well awar...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1500 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right and makes the point that I was about to make in response to the hon. Memb...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1500-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson) and the c...

Edward Leigh | 570 c1501 (Link to this contribution)

If Labour forms the next Government, will they give the British people a referendum?

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1501-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman attended the Second Reading debate. My right hon. Friend...

David Nuttall | 570 c1502 (Link to this contribution)

Does the shadow Minister not accept that there are divisions on this issue in his own party?

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1502 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect, I do not accept that. Both sides of the House, if they are being hones...

Lord Spellar | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

And the Minister would not answer the question today.

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

And my right hon. Friend rightly points out that the Minister would not answer the question today...

Steve Reed | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend believe that perhaps in the Prime Minister’s mind is the warning from Lord He...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

One hopes that the Prime Minister might listen to the warnings of the former Deputy Prime Ministe...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that the Prime Minister is either unwilling or unable to say which competences...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes his point. The Minister for Europe should be intervening to tell us what pow...

Edward Leigh | 570 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot speak for the Minister, only for myself, but some of us want something very simple. We w...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1504 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, and it is one of the reasons why I have always s...

William Cash | 570 c1504 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1504 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the hon. Gentleman, but I want to make a bit more progress on something in which I...

William Cash | 570 c1504 (Link to this contribution)

What we really want is to bring the government of the United Kingdom back to the United Kingdom, ...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1504-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for intervening on me to tell the Minister for Europe what he...

Helen Goodman | 570 c1505 (Link to this contribution)

On the amendment tabled by our hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow North East (Mr Bain), does my h...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1506 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point, as indeed has our hon. Friend the Member for G...

Jack Dromey | 570 c1506 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Does he agree that a strength of amendment 70, also tab...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1506-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point on the case for amendment 70 and the real motivations behind th...

Nigel Evans | 570 c1507 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1507 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way.

That is just one part of a critical national interest that shou...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1507 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way to Government Members a number of times and I want to conclude my remarks.

William Bain | 570 cc1507-8 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very interesting and timely debate. Sadly, nothing we have heard from the hon. Me...

Lord Wharton of Yarm | 570 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).

Question put forthwith, That the Quest...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in both the Aye and No Lobbies.

Lord Beamish | 570 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I wonder whether you could ask the House authorities t...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for drawing the matter to my attention. I will immediately as...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 72, page 1, line 7, leave out subsection (4) and insert—

‘(4) Befor...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 cc1513-8 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 35, page 1, leave out l...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1518 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Speaker and to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for selecting amendment 72, which ...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1518 (Link to this contribution)

Given my hon. Friend’s background, I am sure that he, too, will have thought of this, but given t...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1518 (Link to this contribution)

The way in which this Bill emerged meant that the people of Gibraltar and, I suspect, the Welsh s...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1518 (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, I was not talking about Welsh speakers elsewhere in the UK, because the Welsh L...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1519 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an accurate point. My point was simply that all Welsh speakers, wherever the...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1519 (Link to this contribution)

I did not intend to intervene, but given that my name was taken, I feel I have to—[Interruption.]...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1519-1520 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. I have more knowledge and a higher comfort level when it...

Stephen Doughty | 570 c1520 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about the situation in Quebec. Does he also recognise tha...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1520 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has studied his Canadian history, and the House is better informed as a result. I ...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that my hon. Friend is right.

The Electoral Commission has a statutory responsibi...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. May I ask for your guidance? Is it in order for a Gove...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, that is not a point of order. I expect that the hon. Gentleman in qu...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1521-2 (Link to this contribution)

For the avoidance of doubt, I should say that I took no offence. Anything that can be done to enl...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend also agree that there is some concern about the amendment, because the questi...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1522-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a second.

My hon. Friend the Member for North Durham (Mr Jones) makes a ...

Wayne David | 570 c1523 (Link to this contribution)

Going back to the definition of “country”, if, God forbid, Scotland decided to break away from th...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1523-4 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that that scenario is not presented to us, but we would clearly need to ensure that the ap...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1524 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about amendment 35, but does he agree that amendment 36 w...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1524 (Link to this contribution)

I am sympathetic to my hon. Friend’s point.

Chris Williamson | 570 cc1524-5 (Link to this contribution)

To pick up on the intervention made by my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan)...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

My view is reflected in amendment 72. I hope that my hon. Friend will understand if I do not dwel...

Kevin Brennan | 570 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made the point that the Electoral Commission has said that the wording in amen...

Gareth Thomas | 570 cc1525-6 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the concerns of my hon. Friend. I do not have a particularly strong view at this stage on ...

Chris Williamson | 570 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. In relation to the Electoral Commission’s advice to Pa...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 570 c1526 (Link to this contribution)

They have not, but I am sure the promoter of the Bill will have heard the point made by the hon. ...

David Lidington | 570 cc1526-7 (Link to this contribution)

The amendments in the second group fall into four broad categories. First, there is the amendment...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to the amendment if I am called later, but the Minister makes an interesting point. ...

David Lidington | 570 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that every amendment tabled to any Bill by the hon. Gentleman is serious in intent, but...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

It is orderly. I am sure that no one will want to challenge Mr Speaker’s decision. I am correct o...

David Lidington | 570 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

I was not challenging Mr Speaker’s judgment on this matter, but the hon. Gentleman was perhaps ov...

Stephen Doughty | 570 c1527 (Link to this contribution)

What consultations have the Minister and the Bill’s promoter had with the Welsh Language Commissi...

David Lidington | 570 cc1527-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will leave that to my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton South, if he wishes to respond as the...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

With all due respect to the Minister, the Electoral Commission’s view is crystal clear. It stated...

David Lidington | 570 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman goes back to the report, he will see that the commission stated very clearl...

Martin Horwood | 570 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the whole point of having an Electoral Commission is that we do not settle for referendum ...

David Lidington | 570 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

An interesting feature of the report is that the commission did not come up with a firm alternati...

David Lidington | 570 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress. [Hon. Members: “Give way.”] The commission first proposed—[Inte...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1528 (Link to this contribution)

Order. In fairness to the Minister, he has given way a couple of times and does not want to do so...

David Lidington | 570 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

The commission first suggested that Parliament should reflect on whether to use the word “remain”...

David Lidington | 570 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

No.

The second alternative put forward by the Electoral Commission is that we should abando...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1530 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be able to speak to amendments in this group, which is the most important of ...

Stephen Doughty | 570 c1530 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that this situation underlines why we need the Electoral Commission to ...

Mike Gapes | 570 cc1530-1 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that Michael Green’s remarks were wrong. It is important to remember, as a helpful House ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 570 c1531 (Link to this contribution)

This is a pertinent and material amendment, because there is a world of difference between the wo...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1531 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. I do not want to comment on Welsh rugby, on which I am not an expert. [Interr...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1531 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is perfectly correct that we must get the question absolutely right. One thing tha...

Mike Gapes | 570 cc1531-2 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. Some people get very confused about judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, bel...

Lord Spellar | 570 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

That matter was cleared up by Mr Speaker two weeks ago. There were allegations that the Minister ...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his helpful intervention and clarification.

Martin Horwood | 570 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I think that Mr Speaker stated that if someone speaks fro...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has certainly made his point as well, so we can return to Mr Gapes.

Mike Gapes | 570 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, a novel interpretation of ministerial responsibility applies in this debate.

To re...

Stephen Doughty | 570 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making extremely important points. Does he recall that the Government wasted £3...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

I agree absolutely. I hope that the Government will give the matter further consideration and rea...

Lord Spellar | 570 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. If he had not, I would have raised this matter on...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I think that Mr Gapes gave way to an intervention, rather than to a point of order.

Lord Spellar | 570 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, further to my previous intervention on my hon. Friend, at 10.30 am on 8 November, a...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1533 (Link to this contribution)

The point has been aired. I am sure that Mike Gapes will get back on track and speak to the amend...

Mike Gapes | 570 cc1533-4 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, Mr Deputy Speaker; I would never wish to be off track when discussing these matters.

Huw Irranca-Davies | 570 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that amendments 38, 39 and 40, when taken in conjunction with the discu...

Mike Gapes | 570 c1534 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, I cannot answer that question either. Perhaps the Minister can, or the Liberal Democr...

Martin Horwood | 570 cc1534-6 (Link to this contribution)

There are a number of interesting amendments in this group, although mercifully, rather fewer tha...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1536 (Link to this contribution)

I am following the flow of the hon. Gentleman’s argument, but does he think that a yes/no referen...

Martin Horwood | 570 c1536 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point that I think was raised in evidence to the Electoral ...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1537 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a good point. Would it not help the House and the debate if the hon....

Martin Horwood | 570 cc1537-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is rather extraordinary that only one Conservative Back-Bencher and one Liberal Democrat are i...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1538 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Last week we had the Government advisers in the Box commu...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1538 (Link to this contribution)

People are allowed to come and speak. I think everything is in order. If it was not, we would hav...

Martin Horwood | 570 cc1538-9 (Link to this contribution)

As I was saying, in amendment 71 the hon. Member for Glasgow North East is attempting to remedy t...

William Bain | 570 cc1539-1540 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to speak to amendment 71, which stands in my name, and to other amendments in the gr...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend really think that is a surprise when the Bill is not about whether we should ...

William Bain | 570 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed; my hon. Friend makes a powerful point.

Given that this referendum is being pursued ...

Wayne David | 570 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

There is also a fundamental constitutional point, in that one Parliament is unable to bind a futu...

William Bain | 570 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

Given my hon. Friend’s expertise in this area, he is enormously well placed to make that point in...

Lord Beamish | 570 c1540 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. Would it not be better if the promoter of the Bill, in...

William Bain | 570 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend hits the nail on the head. Throughout the entire passage of the Bill, neither the ...

William Bain | 570 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

My apologies; it is important to be able to distinguish between east and west.

The wording ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 570 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the rewording in amendment 35 not only abides by the Electoral Com...

William Bain | 570 c1542 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is entirely correct. The worst thing that this House and the other place could do ...

Mark Hendrick | 570 cc1542-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendment 35 and to oppose amendment 36. I, like my hon. Friend the...

Stephen Doughty | 570 c1543 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend again mentions Quebec, which is an important issue that the Government and the pro...

Mark Hendrick | 570 cc1543-6 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree. Opinion research tended to bear out the federalists’ claim about the wording of ...

Gareth Thomas | 570 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very good speech, using all his European and referendum experience. Ca...

Mark Hendrick | 570 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

No. By the standards of the Conservative party, we have a moderate, reasonable Europe Minister in...

Lord Wharton of Yarm | 570 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).

Question put forthwith, That the Quest...

Lindsay Hoyle | 570 c1545 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Serjeant at Arms investigate the delay in the No Lobby? We seem to be suffering some typ...

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