European Union (Referendum) Bill
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I remind the House that with this we are discussing the following: Amendment 76, page 1, line 4, ...
At the moment of interruption, Mr David Lidington was on his feet in response to an intervention ...
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On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I have evidence that the Foreign Secretary, possibly, and certai...
That is not a point of order; it is not a matter for the Chair.
I think the answer to the intervention is closely related to comments I want to make about the am...
I will give way. I hope it is a genuine defence.
Two weeks ago, the Minister for Europe was asked by the hon. Member for Gainsborough (Sir Edward ...
I beg the hon. Gentleman’s pardon. He was hiding at the back. His question to the Minister for Eu...
Oh dear, dear, Mr Speaker. Labour Members cannot think of something new today, so they just put o...
On a point of order, Mr Speaker.
I hope it is a point of order.
It is a genuine point of order, because I did not want the House to be inadvertently misled in an...
The hon. Gentleman has made his point. It was not a point of order, as I rather feared it would n...
I welcome the opportunity to speak to a number of amendments in this group standing in my name. [...
I have studied my hon. Friend’s amendments, in particularly amendment 21, which calls for the ref...
It might be, but we do not necessarily need to have a referendum. We could say that those who wis...
I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman is saying. On the status quo, given the urgen...
I disagree with the hon. Gentleman, just as other Members, including his predecessor as Chair of ...
I understand the point my hon. Friend is making, but in practice would it not be confusing for ho...
I understand my hon. Friend’s sympathy for those Conservative Members of Parliament who might fin...
My hon. Friend’s amendment would not only mean some or most Conservative Members of Parliament ca...
I accept that; it is another valid argument.
The second amendment I want to comment on is a...
Does my hon. Friend agree that the amendment tabled by the hon. Member for Windsor (Adam Afriyie)...
I can see some of the attractions in that. Moreover, the fact that the hon. Member for Windsor ad...
The hon. Gentleman is perfectly entitled to use parliamentary tactics to pepper this Bill with di...
The hon. Gentleman is a great expert on Friday debates. I am prepared to listen carefully to him ...
Does my hon. Friend see a real problem with the situation in Scotland, whereby votes will be give...
Yes. The previous set of amendments, on which we have not yet voted, included amendments proposed...
My hon. Friend, as always, makes an excellent speech. Does he agree with me that to offer 16 and ...
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend, but I would not wish to stray back into the debates on th...
On that very issue, is my hon. Friend aware of what Nissan said a couple of weeks ago? It said th...
Absolutely—and it is not just Nissan; it is any major international company that wishes to locate...
Does my hon. Friend believe that we would be better informed and able to make a more informed dec...
Of course we would. However, as the Foreign Secretary made clear in giving evidence to the Foreig...
I do not want to pre-empt a discussion that we will have later, but it is noticeable that the Ele...
That could happen if the Government were prepared to start putting those arguments. However, as t...
I totally agree, although I would have said that the cart was being put before the horse rather t...
As I said, I did not table these amendments to push all of them to a vote. However, I would be in...
My hon. Friend has made an extremely important point. If there were that element of confusion abo...
I will give way briefly, then I must make progress.
The hon. Gentleman is making a good point about how absurd it would be for the referendum—or even...
The hon. Gentleman makes my arguments for me on amendment 58, so I will not repeat them. There ar...
The Zoroastrians!
Five years ago, the mayor of my borough was a Zoroastrian. It is a long established, very old rel...
Will my hon. Friend give way?
I do not want to give way any more, as I want to make progress. I want to conclude my remarks soo...
I stand to speak briefly against any amendments, no matter how well intentioned, designed to brin...
I will not give way, because time is short. [Interruption.] All right, I will give way briefly.
The hon. Gentleman must not keep repeating this idea that the Liberal Democrats are against refer...
I am pleased that the hon. Gentleman made that intervention, because it is clear to everyone, bot...
I will not give way. If the hon. Gentleman does not mind, I will continue. We need time for the P...
Obviously, the hon. Gentleman does not want to delay the House for too long, but could he define ...
From my point of view, there are no shortages of powers that need repatriating. Let us be clear—[...
I want to speak to amendments 68 and 70 and new schedule 2. Before we have a referendum on whethe...
I know that the hon. Member for Stockton South (James Wharton) has spoken a great deal in the nor...
Perhaps the hon. Gentleman intends to speak later. I know how vocal he has been in the region on ...
Nissan and Hitachi Rail Europe are two cases in point. On 8 November, at the launch of the new Qa...
My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. The automotive sector is now a world-class success sto...
My hon. Friend is absolutely right and that is why I believe that we should have some consultatio...
My hon. Friend, like me, has visited the Nissan plant in Sunderland and as a Sunderland MP I know...
I agree with my hon. Friend. In a moment, I shall come on to the importance of Nissan. It is not ...
My hon. Friend is making a powerful point about the impact on the automotive industry. Did he see...
None of the issues being raised by my hon. Friends should be considered lightly. They are importa...
My hon. Friend referred to amendment 70. Is not one of the problems with that amendment the fact ...
My hon. Friend makes an important point. We need an independent report to prove why staying in Eu...
Obviously, the hon. Gentleman wants Britain to stay in the European Union. That is perfectly okay...
I do not agree with a referendum in four years’ time given that nobody knows what the question wi...
I thank my hon. Friend for reminding the House of what The Northern Echo said. Would it not be gr...
There is certainly a deafening silence from the hon. Member for Stockton South.
I have been as disciplined as I can, Mr Speaker, as I do not wish to drag out the debate. However...
Perhaps the hon. Gentleman should make a speech on these issues. Let us not forget that I am plea...
Is not the reason for the silence from the hon. Member for Stockton South (James Wharton) blatant...
On a point of order, Mr Speaker. By your reckoning, has my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton So...
The hon. Member for Stockton South was provoked into speaking in his own debate. That tells a tal...
I agree with my hon. Friend.
The next time the hon. Member for Stockton South wants to turn...
Will my hon. Friend give way?
I want to make some progress, if my hon. Friend does not mind.
More than 140,000 jobs in th...
I would like to make some progress.
Total exports from the north-east to the EU last year w...
Does my hon. Friend agree that one European success story has been Airbus? This week’s announceme...
Again, my hon. Friend is absolutely right. That proves the importance of our role in Europe now a...
Despite everything the hon. Gentleman is saying, does he agree that it is essential that we have ...
I thought that the hon. Gentleman would make an intervention during my speech, so I looked at the...
I rise to speak to amendment 62 and new schedule 1, which I tabled, and to support a range of oth...
There is a lot of merit in my hon. Friend’s suggestion because there are a number of precedents o...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that point, which I was going to incorporate in my speech. I ...
My hon. Friend was speaking about the potential negative economic consequences of the proposal to...
Indeed, but the problem for the Prime Minister is that he has been taken prisoner by extremists i...
We are offered a choice between a Speaker’s Committee made up of elected Members in amendment 62 ...
Indeed. I tabled amendment 62 and new schedule 1 to deal with that very point.
As my amendment 58 has been mentioned, I thought I should make a brief intervention. I have consi...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I was in no way seeking to be critical of him. His amendment was...
When the hon. Gentleman refers to extremists, is he aware that France, Ireland, Holland and Denma...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, but I was not referring to extremists in France and Denmark....
The hon. Member for Stone (Mr Cash) refers to referendums in Ireland and Denmark. He is well awar...
My hon. Friend is right and makes the point that I was about to make in response to the hon. Memb...
It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson) and the c...
If Labour forms the next Government, will they give the British people a referendum?
I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman attended the Second Reading debate. My right hon. Friend...
Does the shadow Minister not accept that there are divisions on this issue in his own party?
With the greatest respect, I do not accept that. Both sides of the House, if they are being hones...
And the Minister would not answer the question today.
And my right hon. Friend rightly points out that the Minister would not answer the question today...
Does my hon. Friend believe that perhaps in the Prime Minister’s mind is the warning from Lord He...
One hopes that the Prime Minister might listen to the warnings of the former Deputy Prime Ministe...
Is it not the case that the Prime Minister is either unwilling or unable to say which competences...
My hon. Friend makes his point. The Minister for Europe should be intervening to tell us what pow...
I cannot speak for the Minister, only for myself, but some of us want something very simple. We w...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, and it is one of the reasons why I have always s...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I apologise to the hon. Gentleman, but I want to make a bit more progress on something in which I...
What we really want is to bring the government of the United Kingdom back to the United Kingdom, ...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for intervening on me to tell the Minister for Europe what he...
On the amendment tabled by our hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow North East (Mr Bain), does my h...
My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point, as indeed has our hon. Friend the Member for G...
My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Does he agree that a strength of amendment 70, also tab...
My hon. Friend makes a good point on the case for amendment 70 and the real motivations behind th...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I am not going to give way.
That is just one part of a critical national interest that shou...
I have given way to Government Members a number of times and I want to conclude my remarks.
This has been a very interesting and timely debate. Sadly, nothing we have heard from the hon. Me...
claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).
Question put forthwith, That the Quest...
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in both the Aye and No Lobbies.
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I wonder whether you could ask the House authorities t...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for drawing the matter to my attention. I will immediately as...
I beg to move amendment 72, page 1, line 7, leave out subsection (4) and insert—
‘(4) Befor...
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment 35, page 1, leave out l...
I am grateful to the Speaker and to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for selecting amendment 72, which ...
Given my hon. Friend’s background, I am sure that he, too, will have thought of this, but given t...
The way in which this Bill emerged meant that the people of Gibraltar and, I suspect, the Welsh s...
Just to be clear, I was not talking about Welsh speakers elsewhere in the UK, because the Welsh L...
My hon. Friend makes an accurate point. My point was simply that all Welsh speakers, wherever the...
I did not intend to intervene, but given that my name was taken, I feel I have to—[Interruption.]...
My hon. Friend makes an important point. I have more knowledge and a higher comfort level when it...
My hon. Friend makes an important point about the situation in Quebec. Does he also recognise tha...
My hon. Friend has studied his Canadian history, and the House is better informed as a result. I ...
I wouldn’t count on it.
I suspect that my hon. Friend is right.
The Electoral Commission has a statutory responsibi...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. May I ask for your guidance? Is it in order for a Gove...
As the hon. Gentleman knows, that is not a point of order. I expect that the hon. Gentleman in qu...
For the avoidance of doubt, I should say that I took no offence. Anything that can be done to enl...
Does my hon. Friend also agree that there is some concern about the amendment, because the questi...
I will give way in a second.
My hon. Friend the Member for North Durham (Mr Jones) makes a ...
Going back to the definition of “country”, if, God forbid, Scotland decided to break away from th...
I hope that that scenario is not presented to us, but we would clearly need to ensure that the ap...
My hon. Friend makes an important point about amendment 35, but does he agree that amendment 36 w...
I am sympathetic to my hon. Friend’s point.
To pick up on the intervention made by my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan)...
My view is reflected in amendment 72. I hope that my hon. Friend will understand if I do not dwel...
My hon. Friend has made the point that the Electoral Commission has said that the wording in amen...
I hear the concerns of my hon. Friend. I do not have a particularly strong view at this stage on ...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. In relation to the Electoral Commission’s advice to Pa...
They have not, but I am sure the promoter of the Bill will have heard the point made by the hon. ...
The amendments in the second group fall into four broad categories. First, there is the amendment...
I will speak to the amendment if I am called later, but the Minister makes an interesting point. ...
I am sure that every amendment tabled to any Bill by the hon. Gentleman is serious in intent, but...
It is orderly. I am sure that no one will want to challenge Mr Speaker’s decision. I am correct o...
indicated assent.
I was not challenging Mr Speaker’s judgment on this matter, but the hon. Gentleman was perhaps ov...
What consultations have the Minister and the Bill’s promoter had with the Welsh Language Commissi...
I will leave that to my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton South, if he wishes to respond as the...
With all due respect to the Minister, the Electoral Commission’s view is crystal clear. It stated...
If the hon. Gentleman goes back to the report, he will see that the commission stated very clearl...
Surely the whole point of having an Electoral Commission is that we do not settle for referendum ...
An interesting feature of the report is that the commission did not come up with a firm alternati...
Will the Minister give way?
I am going to make some progress. [Hon. Members: “Give way.”] The commission first proposed—[Inte...
Order. In fairness to the Minister, he has given way a couple of times and does not want to do so...
The commission first suggested that Parliament should reflect on whether to use the word “remain”...
Will the Minister give way?
Will the Minister give way?
No.
The second alternative put forward by the Electoral Commission is that we should abando...
It is a pleasure to be able to speak to amendments in this group, which is the most important of ...
Does my hon. Friend agree that this situation underlines why we need the Electoral Commission to ...
I agree that Michael Green’s remarks were wrong. It is important to remember, as a helpful House ...
This is a pertinent and material amendment, because there is a world of difference between the wo...
I absolutely agree. I do not want to comment on Welsh rugby, on which I am not an expert. [Interr...
My hon. Friend is perfectly correct that we must get the question absolutely right. One thing tha...
I agree. Some people get very confused about judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, bel...
That matter was cleared up by Mr Speaker two weeks ago. There were allegations that the Minister ...
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his helpful intervention and clarification.
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I think that Mr Speaker stated that if someone speaks fro...
The hon. Gentleman has certainly made his point as well, so we can return to Mr Gapes.
Clearly, a novel interpretation of ministerial responsibility applies in this debate.
To re...
My hon. Friend is making extremely important points. Does he recall that the Government wasted £3...
I agree absolutely. I hope that the Government will give the matter further consideration and rea...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. If he had not, I would have raised this matter on...
Order. I think that Mr Gapes gave way to an intervention, rather than to a point of order.
In that case, further to my previous intervention on my hon. Friend, at 10.30 am on 8 November, a...
The point has been aired. I am sure that Mike Gapes will get back on track and speak to the amend...
Of course, Mr Deputy Speaker; I would never wish to be off track when discussing these matters.
Does my hon. Friend agree that amendments 38, 39 and 40, when taken in conjunction with the discu...
I am sorry, I cannot answer that question either. Perhaps the Minister can, or the Liberal Democr...
There are a number of interesting amendments in this group, although mercifully, rather fewer tha...
I am following the flow of the hon. Gentleman’s argument, but does he think that a yes/no referen...
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point that I think was raised in evidence to the Electoral ...
The hon. Gentleman is making a good point. Would it not help the House and the debate if the hon....
It is rather extraordinary that only one Conservative Back-Bencher and one Liberal Democrat are i...
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Last week we had the Government advisers in the Box commu...
People are allowed to come and speak. I think everything is in order. If it was not, we would hav...
As I was saying, in amendment 71 the hon. Member for Glasgow North East is attempting to remedy t...
I am pleased to speak to amendment 71, which stands in my name, and to other amendments in the gr...
Does my hon. Friend really think that is a surprise when the Bill is not about whether we should ...
Indeed; my hon. Friend makes a powerful point.
Given that this referendum is being pursued ...
There is also a fundamental constitutional point, in that one Parliament is unable to bind a futu...
Given my hon. Friend’s expertise in this area, he is enormously well placed to make that point in...
My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. Would it not be better if the promoter of the Bill, in...
My hon. Friend hits the nail on the head. Throughout the entire passage of the Bill, neither the ...
My apologies; it is important to be able to distinguish between east and west.
The wording ...
Does my hon. Friend agree that the rewording in amendment 35 not only abides by the Electoral Com...
My hon. Friend is entirely correct. The worst thing that this House and the other place could do ...
I rise to speak in support of amendment 35 and to oppose amendment 36. I, like my hon. Friend the...
My hon. Friend again mentions Quebec, which is an important issue that the Government and the pro...
I totally agree. Opinion research tended to bear out the federalists’ claim about the wording of ...
My hon. Friend is making a very good speech, using all his European and referendum experience. Ca...
No. By the standards of the Conservative party, we have a moderate, reasonable Europe Minister in...
claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).
Question put forthwith, That the Quest...
Will the Serjeant at Arms investigate the delay in the No Lobby? We seem to be suffering some typ...