London Local Authorities Bill (HL) 2007-08. Report stage further consideration. Clause 5 amendments debated. Closure motion agreed on division (276 to 10). Amendments negatived on division (16 to 159). Debate interrupted. Bill to be further considered on Tuesday 31 January.
London Local Authorities Bill [Lords]
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 25 January 2012,
in the House of Commons,
led by Philip Davies.
The answering
member was Robert Neill.
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Proceeding contributions
Anne Main | 539 c333 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend, or other hon. Members in the Chamber, suggest any offence that would not be cov...
Philip Davies | 539 c333 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point. This part of the Bill—indeed, the whole Bill, although I will not...
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Anne Main | 539 c332 (Link to this contribution)
The authorities in St Albans have always had the problem of not knowing exactly where the people who...
Philip Davies | 539 c332-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I am sure she agrees that existing legislation is sufficient to ...
Chris Williamson | 539 c333 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is extremely unfair to local authorities in suggesting that the clause exists for...
Speaker | 539 c334 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I remind the House that interventions must be brief.
Mike Freer | 539 c331 (Link to this contribution)
To help my hon. Friend the Member for St Albans (Mrs Main), the current regulations do not apply to ...
Philip Davies | 539 c332 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure we are all grateful for that clarification. The point I think my hon. Friend the Member fo...
Anne Main | 539 c331 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend believe that litter such as dropped cigarettes and chewing gum is covered by exi...
Philip Davies | 539 c331 (Link to this contribution)
That is correct. My hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch touched on that in his speech—he omitted...
Anne Main | 539 c335 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a powerful argument. I am listening with increasing concern because this appear...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c335 (Link to this contribution)
Might the provision be not only cost-cutting, but cost-increasing? Some of the buildings that will b...
Philip Davies | 539 c335-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point. Given that local authorities are playing not with their own money...
James Gray | 539 c336 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend was advancing a persuasive argument until his last point. That this duplicates existi...
Philip Davies | 539 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept what the hon. Gentleman said. He may think that all of this is for the benefit of co...
James Gray | 539 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I have been listening carefully to my hon. Friend. This is the first occasion on which I have debate...
Philip Davies | 539 c334 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and gets neatly to the nub of the issue in the clause and the Bi...
Chris Williamson | 539 c334 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is allowing the perfect to become the enemy of the good. If local authorities in ...
Philip Davies | 539 c334-5 (Link to this contribution)
That is very interesting. The thrust of the Bill and of the clause is to address problems unique to ...
Bob Blackman | 539 c338 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech about who is responsible for litter and its collection. T...
Philip Davies | 539 c337-8 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. She introduces a new aspect, because if we follow this through to the logic...
Anne Main | 539 c338 (Link to this contribution)
I have to ““fess up”” and declare an interest: my husband worked for Mars for a long time, which is ...
Philip Davies | 539 c337 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that update. They are obviously more easily impressed than I am with what my hon. ...
Anne Main | 539 c337 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the problem the fact that this would effectively carve up the streets in front of public buil...
Philip Davies | 539 c337 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that. The point is that surely the problem would be worse. If individuals felt that they wo...
Mike Freer | 539 c337 (Link to this contribution)
My colleagues seem to be rather obsessed with the views of the Society of London Theatre and the The...
James Gray | 539 c337 (Link to this contribution)
On reflection, I will disagree with myself and redisagree with the disagreement that I made against ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c340 (Link to this contribution)
There is clearly a problem in how that relates to public houses, but as I remember from my time as c...
Philip Davies | 539 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point, and he knows far more about those matters than I do, so I certain...
Anne Main | 539 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and many local authorities, my own included, are working on the ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c339 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether that establishes a general principle that it is much better to get a free market so...
Philip Davies | 539 c339-40 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend, and I am sure that my hon. Friend the Member for Wirral West...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c340 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether it is not rather an unsatisfactory principle that something that was perfectly lega...
Philip Davies | 539 c339 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. That sounds like a good initiative. In fact, I think that there are...
Anne Main | 539 c342 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely interested to hear the Toowoomba and Braintree examples. Does my hon. Friend know whe...
Philip Davies | 539 c342 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. That is very much the case.
The point of these examples, and the lesson that we should...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c342 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether my hon. Friend would describe that initiative as ““nudge”” theory. That means getti...
Philip Davies | 539 c340-2 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree.
The ENCAMS report went on to discuss cleaning and stated:"““Efficient, cost eff...
Anne Main | 539 c344 (Link to this contribution)
I am more than happy to enlighten my hon. Friend. We received numerous submissions of evidence from ...
Philip Davies | 539 c343 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. Like my hon. Friend the Member for Bury North, she is clearly far m...
Anne Main | 539 c343 (Link to this contribution)
Flushed with success, one might say. I sat on the Select Committee on Communities and Local Governme...
Philip Davies | 539 c342-3 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend, who makes a good suggestion, and I am not aware of any local authoritie...
Mike Freer | 539 c344 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may help my hon. Friend.
Philip Davies | 539 c344 (Link to this contribution)
That is very helpful. I do not know whether the local authorities concerned or the sponsor of the Bi...
Philip Davies | 539 c331 (Link to this contribution)
I begin by apologising on his behalf for the absence of my hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch (...
Speaker | 539 c331 (Link to this contribution)
With this, it will be convenient to consider amendments 16 to 20, 3 and 4.
Philip Davies | 539 c331 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment 15, which is, leave out clause 5.
Philip Davies | 539 c368 (Link to this contribution)
Just to clarify that I have read the report, I have a copy of it here. Will my hon. Friend make it c...
Anne Main | 539 c368 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for reminding me of that. In fact, one might ask why we did a report on publi...
Mike Freer | 539 c368 (Link to this contribution)
claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).
Speaker | 539 c369 (Link to this contribution)
I think I can be tempted to put the Question because we have been debating this group of amendments ...
Anne Main | 539 c367 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is trying to lead me down corridors. He has not come forward with a single type o...
Chris Williamson | 539 c367 (Link to this contribution)
The truth is that local authorities can already apply this provision to retail and commercial proper...
Anne Main | 539 c367-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am. My hon. Friend the Member for Shipley was obviously well versed in the report.
If the hon. Me...
Philip Davies | 539 c367 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my hon. Friend is talking about the hon. Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson).
Anne Main | 539 c367 (Link to this contribution)
I shall not give way; I wish to expand my point.
My point is that small businesses that see a pile ...
Anne Main | 539 c373 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend have any suggestions as to how this would be promoted, because my constituents, ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c373 (Link to this contribution)
That is localism.
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c373 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely right. I thought it might not be a bad idea if they had the relevant council's coat of ar...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c373 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that point, because I specify in amendment 60,...
Philip Davies | 539 c373 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend wholeheartedly. During a previous discussion on this Bill, my hon. Frien...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c373 (Link to this contribution)
As you know, Mr Deputy Speaker, I have tabled a number of amendments and have also put my name to a ...
Speaker | 539 c372 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to take amendments 23, 24, 41, 25 to 28, 42, P1, 29, 30, 43 to 45, 3...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c372 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment 22, to leave out clause 9.
Speaker | 539 c371 (Link to this contribution)
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
The House divided: Ayes 16, N...
Speaker | 539 c369 (Link to this contribution)
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the No Lobby because there seems to be a blockage.
The Ho...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I completely agree.
Mike Gapes | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I was watching the proceedings from my office, and I could not believe that any Members of Parliamen...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I am very sympathetic to what my hon. Friend says, and I add that many of my amendments take chunks ...
Mike Gapes | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
Has the hon. Gentleman or any of his colleagues who oppose this legislation had discussions with the...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
Derby—I am so sorry. Those visitors would not be caught out by all sorts of strange people. [Interru...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for that intervention. The Mayor of London is a man whom I admire enormously and ...
Philip Davies | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly do not know what they are, but perhaps my hon. Friend ought to listen to the hon. Member...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c374 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps my hon. Friend does.
Speaker | 539 c375 (Link to this contribution)
Well, I think if we are going to have a prohibition on judgmentalism, we are setting ourselves rathe...
Anne Main | 539 c375 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek your guidance. Is it appropriate parliamentary language for ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c375 (Link to this contribution)
That may not be what is intended, but it is, unfortunately, what is said and it is what is described...
Mike Freer | 539 c375 (Link to this contribution)
I hate to correct my hon. Friend because I so enjoy his perorations in the Chamber but he is incorre...
Speaker | 539 c376 (Link to this contribution)
I note the hon. Gentleman's value judgment, and indeed his sense of humour. If there are no further ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c376 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think many hon. Members would consider being called neanderthals ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c374-5 (Link to this contribution)
Now we see the true face of socialist authoritarianism coming into the House. Those people do not bo...
James Gray | 539 c365 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to my hon. Friend, as I did to my hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Phili...
Anne Main | 539 c365-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a valuable point, and I never thought that I would be speaking up to defend McD...
James Gray | 539 c366 (Link to this contribution)
I used a slightly bad example in my previous intervention by citing a big business and talking about...
Anne Main | 539 c366 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a valuable point, but I—and others in the debate have made this point—am not aw...
Philip Davies | 539 c366 (Link to this contribution)
Do we not return to the point that, if this is an issue, it is an issue throughout the country? On t...
Chris Williamson | 539 c366 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady contradicts her own argument, because she says that businesses would not want to serve...
Anne Main | 539 c366 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes the point that this is private business and it nominates only London, but the p...
Philip Davies | 539 c366-7 (Link to this contribution)
On my hon. Friend's exchange with our hon. Friend the Member for North Wiltshire (Mr Gray), will she...
Anne Main | 539 c366 (Link to this contribution)
My objection to the clause relates, in particular, to smaller premises. We have talked a great deal ...
Anne Main | 539 c367 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend, because this debate has been going for some time, and he did make that point...
Robert Neill | 539 c363 (Link to this contribution)
May I briefly pull together the chains of this debate and address the topics that have been raised? ...
Speaker | 539 c363 (Link to this contribution)
I now have to announce the result of the deferred Division on the motion relating to the mayoral ref...
James Gray | 539 c362 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making a thoughtful speech. On the question of public lavatories—I find it dif...
Chris Williamson | 539 c362 (Link to this contribution)
I have given way quite a lot already, so if the hon. Lady will bear with me, I will try to make a li...
Chris Williamson | 539 c361 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that clarification. I may have misheard, but I thought the hon. Gentleman told his...
Robert Neill | 539 c364 (Link to this contribution)
The guidance was produced by the previous Government. It is not the policy of this Government to see...
Philip Davies | 539 c363 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that my hon. Friend wants to remain neutral on this because it is private business, but sur...
Greg Knight | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has said three times that some local authorities are short of resources, so he is...
Chris Williamson | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
I must give way to a former Member for Derby North.
James Gray | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
What about the parliamentary estate?
Chris Williamson | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
Her Majesty's Opposition are genuine localists. We trust local government and those who are elected ...
Mike Freer | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that the Palace of Westminster, as a royal palace, would be exempt, but that because Wh...
Chris Williamson | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
If I may, I will pass on that question. Perhaps the sponsor of the Bill will clarify the situation.
Philip Davies | 539 c361 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is disparaging my comments, but has he read the Select Committee report to which ...
Chris Williamson | 539 c360-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for providing that clarification in response to his hon. Friend'...
Philip Davies | 539 c361 (Link to this contribution)
We cannot allow that to stand. The hon. Gentleman clearly was not listening. I said that I was not a...
Chris Williamson | 539 c361 (Link to this contribution)
To be fair, the hon. Gentleman himself said that he had not read the report. Indeed, he said that un...
Anne Main | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
It may be a big issue in some of our constituencies, when our constituents visit London, and we are ...
Chris Williamson | 539 c358-9 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you for that guidance, Mr Deputy Speaker. I was aiming to get to the substance of the Bill, bu...
Speaker | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think I have heard enough from both sides. We ought to be discussing the amendments rather ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
I want to probe the shadow Minister further on the issue of MPs who do not represent London not bein...
Chris Williamson | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Lady studies the record, she will see that Members from London on both sides of the Cham...
Chris Williamson | 539 c360 (Link to this contribution)
With the greatest respect, the hon. Lady is not living in the real world. If only the avenues that s...
Anne Main | 539 c359 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman sums up my worries about the measure. Legislation already exists under which a pe...
Chris Williamson | 539 c359 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that other provisions are available, but they do not necessarily go far enough, and they le...
James Gray | 539 c359 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson), who is being very generous and is advanc...
Chris Williamson | 539 c356 (Link to this contribution)
I can give an assurance that I will not be speaking for nearly two hours on this subject; I am sure ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c356 (Link to this contribution)
Where are the MPs?
Chris Williamson | 539 c356 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come on to that point, but let us be clear that every London borough, of every political per...
Andrew Percy | 539 c356 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman thinks these provisions are so great, why does he not come to the House and pr...
Chris Williamson | 539 c356-7 (Link to this contribution)
Here we go again with another red herring from a Member who does not represent a London constituency...
Speaker | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
Order. We cannot have five Members on their feet trying to intervene at once.
Chris Williamson | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to the hon. Member for North Wiltshire (Mr Gray).
Philip Davies | 539 c355 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely; I totally agree with my hon. Friend.
The proposals would also affect certain hard-press...
Anne Main | 539 c355 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a very powerful point. There is also the possibility, as my hon. Friend the...
Philip Davies | 539 c355-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right.
I want to bring my remarks to a close, because I am sure that other people...
Chris Williamson | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
I can see that the hon. Lady is desperate to intervene.
Philip Davies | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
That is what we are doing at the moment: scrutinising the legislation. The hon. Gentleman seems to b...
Philip Davies | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
It is a big issue in Durham.
Anne Main | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will have to excuse me, but I find it vaguely insulting to hear that my constitue...
Chris Williamson | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the hon. Lady will forgive me, but I did not say she was not concerned about London. I m...
James Gray | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman, who poses an interesting constitutional conundrum: t...
Chris Williamson | 539 c357 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a perfectly valid constitutional point, but I thought that his party was in...
Andrew Percy | 539 c353 (Link to this contribution)
In a previous incarnation, I was a licensing chairman. We were keen as a local authority to encourag...
Andrew Percy | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
It is not just businesses that pay rates and expect services; people pay their council tax to their ...
Philip Davies | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect my hon. Friend is right. It is no good local authorities going to the Government or the co...
Anne Main | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Philip Davies | 539 c352-3 (Link to this contribution)
I really ought to press on and get to the other amendments. I do apologise to my hon. Friend.
I wil...
Bob Blackman | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I am almost tempted to say that people would choose to live in such a wonderful place as opposed to ...
Philip Davies | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to go on further about public toilets, suffice it to say that I hope my comments have ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
To go back to an amendment to which my hon. Friend spoke earlier, that could be a matter of free ent...
Philip Davies | 539 c352 (Link to this contribution)
That is right. My hon. Friend proposes a good solution, but however they are paid for, local busines...
Philip Davies | 539 c351-2 (Link to this contribution)
If you will allow me, Mr Deputy Speaker, I shall conclude on the issue of toilets by saying simply t...
David Nuttall | 539 c355 (Link to this contribution)
The answer lies in section 93 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990, which relates to clause 5. I...
Philip Davies | 539 c354-5 (Link to this contribution)
I think that my hon. Friend the Member for Brigg and Goole (Andrew Percy) addressed that point. His ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c355 (Link to this contribution)
Powers already exist to deal with any problems with street furniture. This can be done through the p...
Philip Davies | 539 c354 (Link to this contribution)
I commend my hon. Friend for being so eagle-eyed; I agree with him wholeheartedly on that point.
On...
James Gray | 539 c354 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is speaking with great passion from his own libertarian standpoint, but I have to adm...
Philip Davies | 539 c354 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my hon. Friend is right; indeed, I recall attempts, whether successful or not, to try...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c354 (Link to this contribution)
I think that it is much worse than that; this is a fundamental attack on the rights of property. The...
Philip Davies | 539 c353 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my hon. Friend is right. I am sure that there are lots of benefits for local authorit...
Anne Main | 539 c353-4 (Link to this contribution)
In another incarnation, I was on the Select Committee on Communities and Local Government when it pu...
Andrew Percy | 539 c347-8 (Link to this contribution)
This power is not about localism unless it is provided to all local authorities in England. If we do...
Philip Davies | 539 c348 (Link to this contribution)
If my hon. Friend did try to introduce such a Bill, I would probably be standing here speaking again...
Anne Main | 539 c348 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is being extremely generous in giving way.
One of the important points that came out...
Philip Davies | 539 c346 (Link to this contribution)
We absolutely do not know that, and neither does the right hon. Gentleman. I will come to that later...
Philip Davies | 539 c346 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who displays her expertise once again. As regards not knowing how m...
Anne Main | 539 c346 (Link to this contribution)
The question of how much people are prepared to pay to use a public toilet facility was also covered...
Philip Davies | 539 c347 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. If the problems that the Bill seeks to address exist, they canno...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c346 (Link to this contribution)
If the Act allowed for turnstiles that everybody could get through, why should that not apply to the...
Philip Davies | 539 c347 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to get sidetracked by charges in toilets, Madam Deputy Speaker, because I am sure that...
Bob Blackman | 539 c347 (Link to this contribution)
Does not that fly in the face of my hon. Friend's argument given that we, as a Government, are pursu...
Philip Davies | 539 c350-1 (Link to this contribution)
Despite the fact that my hon. Friend also probably goes to far better quality restaurants than I do,...
Speaker | 539 c351 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman is obviously well briefed—he has certainly flushed out a lot of the subjec...
Anne Main | 539 c349-50 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend alluded to tourism. I do not know whether he is aware of the comments of Peter Hampso...
Philip Davies | 539 c349 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. Clearly, he has been diligent, as always, in reading that report. He may we...
David Nuttall | 539 c349 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a powerful case, and I am sorry that I missed the opening part of it due to...
Philip Davies | 539 c348-9 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right, and it has been a delight to have her in the debate this afternoon. She has...
Anne Main | 539 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Not only restaurants pride themselves on their toilets. I was privileged to visit the Isle of Mull a...
Philip Davies | 539 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that my hon. Friend visits far better quality restaurants than me. If I had his means, I a...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 539 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I must disagree with my hon. Friend —for the first time in his excellent speech—on the way he judges...
Philip Davies | 539 c350 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. We all know how important toilet facilities are. When we go to a restaurant...
Philip Davies | 539 c345-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Again, I bow to her superior knowledge from her time on the Sele...
Tom Brake | 539 c346 (Link to this contribution)
Because the disability discrimination laws would apply, the problems of access that the hon. Gentlem...
Philip Davies | 539 c345 (Link to this contribution)
That may well be true. Perhaps local authorities ought to sharpen up their act before they try to pa...
Anne Main | 539 c345 (Link to this contribution)
Having served on the Communities and Local Government Committee, I know that the report presents onl...
Mark Tami | 539 c345 (Link to this contribution)
Another important point, besides whether there are turnstiles, is that far too often toilets are clo...
Philip Davies | 539 c345 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that clarification, but he is not taking into account the eviden...
Mike Freer | 539 c345 (Link to this contribution)
I understand my hon. Friend's concern. The point is that since 1963, we have had the Disability Disc...
Philip Davies | 539 c345 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for that clarification. What he says is all well and good, but ...
Mike Freer | 539 c344 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill is not in direct contravention of that recommendation. ““Turnstile”” is a legalistic term. ...
Philip Davies | 539 c338 (Link to this contribution)
It was important for my hon. Friend to make that point, because otherwise she might have been in tro...
Philip Davies | 539 c337 (Link to this contribution)
I will agree with my hon. Friend on the first half of his point, but disagree with him on the second...
Philip Davies | 539 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. This is a tyranny over people who were once able to enjoy a part...
Philip Davies | 539 c338 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to get sidetracked—as I am sure you do not, Madam Deputy Speaker—but the whole thrust ...
Speaker | 539 c376 (Link to this contribution)
I choose randomly for a point of order. Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Anne Main | 539 c361 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that point?
Anne Main | 539 c364-5 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Philip Davies) on his forensic evaluation of t...
Philip Davies | 539 c355 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree. Plenty of legislation is available to local authorities if they feel so strongly...
Philip Davies | 539 c335 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend might want to advance that argument, but I am not entirely clear whether the Bill is ...
Esther McVey | 539 c338 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening to the debate with great interest. The Liverpool BID—the city centre business improve...
Chris Williamson | 539 c362-3 (Link to this contribution)
I can give the hon. Gentleman the benefit of anecdotal evidence that I have gleaned in speaking to y...
Chris Williamson | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
That is a fair comment, but in our system of local government, people in London elect the councils t...
Anne Main | 539 c358 (Link to this contribution)
Before the hon. Gentleman moves away from the fact that not a single London MP has spoken against th...
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