Academies Bill (HL). Lords committee stage second day. Clause 1 under consideration.
Clause 1: Academy arrangements.
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Thornton | 719 c1403 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady Garden, about SENCOs; she made a very...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1402-3 (Link to this contribution)
I hesitate to prolong the debate at this late hour and I think that my concern is probably a little ...
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Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1404 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that response and for his again saying that he will come...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1403-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the points raised during the debate and for the kind words that many nob...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1397-8 (Link to this contribution)
I had better address my amendment in this group, since it is the exact opposite of two of the amendm...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 719 c1396-7 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendments 138, 139, 176, 184 and 193 in this group. First, I thank the Minister fo...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1398-9 (Link to this contribution)
There is in fact no sector of education that has more experience of academy-type schools than specia...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1398 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 69 is a permissive amendment along the same lines as that tabled by the noble Lord, Lord L...
Lord Low of Dalston | 719 c1399-402 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 83 proposes that Part IV of the Education Act 1996 applies to academies as it do...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1399 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have just one query. I am grateful, as everyone is, for the time the Minister has alread...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1409 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that. I do not know whether the noble Lord has ever tried to get a statement, but I have fr...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 719 c1409 (Link to this contribution)
I said that it goes wider than education.
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1409 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the noble Lord. I shall, of course, read what he has said in more detail. Howe...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 719 c1406-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amendments. His questions have ranged very widely and well ...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1404-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 20, 42, 44, 62 and 71. They are probing amendments, desig...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1404 (Link to this contribution)
19: Clause 1, page 1, line 20, after "pupils" insert "or prospective pupils"
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 719 c1408-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are indeed talking about something that goes wider than academies themselves. I visited...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1408 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think any of us realised that the Minister was going to reply quite so soon, befo...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1407-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply to my noble friend. However, does he also recognise what policy i...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
I will speak briefly. I hope that the Minister will be able to reassure the right Reverend Prelate t...
Lord Kilclooney | 719 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, reference has been made to Scotland and Northern Ireland. I serve as a governor on the Arm...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1353 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have heard about two extremes of school—one in which only faith is taught, and the othe...
Lord Goodhart | 719 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can be very brief because I could not possibly improve on the speech made by the noble B...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
I have no wish, in what I am saying, to stray at all from the current arrangements for the pupil com...
Baroness Murphy | 719 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is raising an issue about pupils. He implied that the important thing about many of o...
Baroness Whitaker | 719 c1352-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not intended to prolong this long debate by joining in, but I have to confess that I...
Bishop of Bath and Wells | 719 c1352 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in the diocese of Bath and Wells, which is very largely rural, we have some 184 church pri...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1350-2 (Link to this contribution)
I had better get around to addressing my amendments in this group or I shall be caught up by my old ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
We should all be extremely grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Phillips. He admitted his faith and I sh...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
These are difficult and complicated matters and I do not have a simple and straightforward answer fo...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1358-9 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has just made an incredibly important statement of policy in respect of new schools. ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1359 (Link to this contribution)
That is an extremely good question, which I will need to follow up separately with the noble Lord ei...
Bishop of Salisbury | 719 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps hearing of the experience that I had at one stage of being chaplain to an Anglican...
Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 719 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
I always get very nervous listening to these debates in this House—we are going through many of the ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1356-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not envy myself the task of winding up either. This is my first opportunity to listen...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 719 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a remarkable debate and I do not envy the Minister the job of winding up. Th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 719 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is being very helpful, but can he clarify that? Whatever assurance is given, some schoo...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 719 c1367-8 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendment 63 which is in my name and that of my noble friends Lady Walmsley and Lad...
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1366-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am very glad to follow the noble Lord, Lord Adonis. I shall speak to Amendments 47 and 127. I agre...
Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 719 c1363-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendment 25 in this group, which probably should have been taken with an earlier a...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1363 (Link to this contribution)
In this group of 22 amendments, I shall speak to Amendments 22A and 23, with which my noble friend L...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1360-3 (Link to this contribution)
I shall also speak to Amendment 58. In doing so I am conscious that we are about two and three-quart...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1360 (Link to this contribution)
17: Clause 1, page 1, line 17, leave out "an independent" and insert "a"
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 719 c1374 (Link to this contribution)
Just before the Minister responds, I should say that I have not spoken to Amendments 185A and 188A t...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1372-3 (Link to this contribution)
I support entirely what my noble friend has just said. It is important, particularly when we are gra...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1372 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a hugely disparate group of amendments. We have covered a lot of topics and it has...
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1374 (Link to this contribution)
I am reluctant to intervene further when the dinner break is approaching and I can see that the Mini...
Lord James of Blackheath | 719 c1369 (Link to this contribution)
I interject on behalf of the SEN pupils of boarding schools with a word of caution, and I speak, as ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 719 c1368-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support very strongly the arguments made by my noble friend Lord Greaves on removing pri...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1371-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a fascinating debate, inevitably ranging over a lot of issues. I have been s...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1369-71 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 26, 27, 56, 57, 99, 103, 109, 111 and 120—a veritable alphabet ...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1368 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, on state boarding schools. It is my experience that...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution)
A diverse set of themes and topics has come up. I shall come back to the point about "wholly or main...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister put it more clearly? Is he saying that the amendment is superfluous because the two...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
That is clearly the purpose and a new academy set up by a parental group may well need a significant...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
I think that that is what I am saying. I am particularly nervous with my noble friend Lord Phillips ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for interrupting again. I know that it is hard on the Minister, who has this huge group ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1376 (Link to this contribution)
It is a point about consultation. I am not seeking to prohibit academies from expanding the age rang...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1376-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am considering that. On the specific point of sixth-form expansion, an increase in places would re...
Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 719 c1375 (Link to this contribution)
I am concerned that there is a suspicion—I accept that this is not what we are talking about here—th...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1375-6 (Link to this contribution)
That could not happen. To clear up another often expressed concern that may lie behind the questions...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1378 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on "wholly or mainly", could my noble friend provide me—it need not necessarily be now—wit...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1378 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend Lord Lucas has a well earned reputation for being able to ask such questions; I thin...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1378-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank everybody who has taken part in this long discussion on this group of amendments. ...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1379 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord does his noble friend Lady Williams a disservice. It was she who abolished them.
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 719 c1379 (Link to this contribution)
That is also untrue. They were abolished by my predecessor, Mr Fred Mulley.
Lord Greaves | 719 c1379 (Link to this contribution)
One thing about the House of Lords is that we are all so old that somebody at least knows the truth ...
Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 719 c1379 (Link to this contribution)
For the information of noble Lords, I also went to one of those schools which is now a city academy,...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1379-80 (Link to this contribution)
Well, efforts ought to be made to get more of them. Of course, it would be a good time to tackle som...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1390 (Link to this contribution)
17A: Clause 1, page 1, line 17, leave out "an independent" and insert "a non fee-paying"
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1390-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 22B, 60B and 60C. The amendments in this group are design...
Lord Rix | 719 c1391 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 75 in my name. The possibility of charging is apparent in ...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1391-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I tabled Amendment 67 in this group. It probes a specific point about how local authoritie...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1392-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that I am able to provide the clarification for noble Lords opposite, including the...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1393 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I entirely accept that the Minister says there is no intention to charge for education. I ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1392 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 64 is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Walmsley. With this amendment, I have ha...
Baroness Thornton | 719 c1392 (Link to this contribution)
I promise that I shall say only a few words but I want to add to what my noble friend Lady Royall sa...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1392 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, unless the Minister is dead keen to answer points raised on the amendments so far, I remin...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1393 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister confirm that the proposition is that night classes do not constitute education prov...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1393 (Link to this contribution)
As I said to the noble Baroness, Lady Royall, the intention is clear. I take on board the point made...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1393 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 17A withdrawn.
Amendment 18
Moved by
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1393 (Link to this contribution)
18: Clause 1, page 1, line 18, leave out from "(6)" to end of line 20
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1393 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to say to the noble Baroness that there is no back door, but I take her point and will of...
Lord Rix | 719 c1395-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may jump the queue and say a few words about Amendment 55. I am afraid that I ca...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1393-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall also speak to Amendments 55, 100 and 110. Special educational needs in relation to academies...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1394 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of clarification, it is not envisaged or proposed that a special school would be able to ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1394-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that clarification, which is extremely important. Forgive me if I have misled the ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 719 c1395 (Link to this contribution)
If Amendment 18 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 19, 20 or 22 because of pre-emption.
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1413-4 (Link to this contribution)
I added my name to and support very much the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Listowel. All ...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1414 (Link to this contribution)
I very much support the spirit of the amendments. We have had assurances from my noble friend that t...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I could follow that matter up in writing with the noble Earl outside the Chamber and we can ...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
Will it be the Secretary of State who ensures that they do or will it be the YPLA?
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1414-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had an important and wide-ranging discussion and I am grateful for a number of poi...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, even at this late hour, on this point. The concern rai...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1416 (Link to this contribution)
Academies are to be freed from the national curriculum, but in opposition we were—and, indeed, in my...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1416 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the clarification from the Minister. This has been a useful debate. However, I wil...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1415-6 (Link to this contribution)
I will write to my noble friend about that. The ultimate responsibility is with the Secretary of Sta...
Lord Rix | 719 c1409 (Link to this contribution)
22: Clause 1, page 1, line 20, at end insert "and has characteristics that include those in subsecti...
Lord Rix | 719 c1409-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to take this opportunity to say how much I welcome the fact that the Bill re...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 719 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is very difficult to guarantee that every school would be outstanding. That is one of t...
Lord Rix | 719 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot believe that I was placing restrictions in this amendment. I believe that I was t...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
28: Clause 1, page 1, line 22, at end insert—
"( ) the school complies with the provisions of the Co...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1411-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 50 in my name. I declare an interest as a trustee of TACT, a ch...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1410-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, all the amendments in this group state very much the same thing. I therefore support them....
Lord Low of Dalston | 719 c1413 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to speak to Amendments 84 and 85. Noble Lords will be glad to hear that I do...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1412-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we, too, believe that it is important that children and parents choose schools and not the...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1413 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 36, which is in my name, expresses an ambition which I understand, having listened to the ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1417-8 (Link to this contribution)
As an historian manqué, I could keep the Committee going for an extremely long time talking about my...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1417 (Link to this contribution)
That seems rather a thin reply, which does not get to the meat of my question. I shall concentrate o...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1416 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, although I will be interested to explore the question of the curriculum with my noble frie...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1418 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I shall be in trouble if I do not, so I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1328-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have two points about the funding of academies. I will speak particularly to Amendments ...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1327-8 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to support Amendment 96 and Amendment 31, which is in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas....
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 719 c1326-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments tabled by my noble friends Lady Garden and Lord Phillips o...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1326 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to my Amendments 31 and 34 in this very diverse group. Amendment 31 proposes that, ""s...
Lord Desai | 719 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lord Hunt. I apologise to the Committee that I did not s...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is apparent that academies will have more money in their fist, so to speak, than commun...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1325-6 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to three amendments tabled in my name: Amendments 10, 95 and 120A. I am hopeful that...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 719 c1323-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 7, 11, 15, 16 and 80 in this group. While not agreeing with ev...
Baroness Hayman | 719 c1323 (Link to this contribution)
I have to inform the Committee that if Amendment 6A is agreed, I cannot call Amendments 7 or 8 by re...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 719 c1320-3 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to Amendments 14, 74, 79, 96, 124 and 125. I start by offering my congratulations...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 719 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
6A: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out from "agreement" to end of line 7
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1335-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to the other amendments in this group as well as to this one, which was table...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 719 c1336 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in this group I shall speak to Amendments 154, 155 and 156, which would alter the subsecti...
Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 719 c1337 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to speak against the amendments proposed by my noble friend Lord Whitty, as they would take u...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 719 c1334 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that response. Of course I will be happy to withdraw the amendm...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1335 (Link to this contribution)
11A: Clause 1, page 1, line 12, at end insert ", provided that the other party shall not be in finan...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1337-8 (Link to this contribution)
I support what my noble friend Lady Morgan has just said, with particular reference to Amendment 11A...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1338-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I respond to the detailed points on the amendments and pick up directly on deficits...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1340 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness speaks to my noble friend’s response, might the Government consider the ar...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1340 (Link to this contribution)
I will reflect on that. The point of the figure is to provide some benchmark. My noble friend Lady P...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise if this has already been covered but the noble Baroness, Lady Perry of Southwark, pointe...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the contributions—
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1332-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for making the point that these ways of dealing with the issue may n...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1332 (Link to this contribution)
I was about to make a point that relates to the issue that the noble Baroness has raised. The Delega...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 719 c1332 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that many Ministers have read out the advice of the Delegated Powers and Regulat...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1330-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should probably speak now while England is ahead in the football; on past form that may ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 719 c1332 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has eloquently defended flexibility in relation to Amendments 124 and 125. As regards a...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1345-6 (Link to this contribution)
I have two amendments in this group, Amendments 134 and 135. Their purpose is to allow schools to ch...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
I greatly respect the position of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, with regard to the Humanist Assoc...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
I would not call humanism a faith; I would call it a belief.
Baroness Thornton | 719 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare that I share the same belief as my noble friend Lady Massey.
I wish to ask some...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 719 c1346-7 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Massey, referred to a debate that took place in this House some three years...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 719 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
Foundation schools, both Anglican and Catholic, are allowed to appoint a majority of governors, and ...
Baroness Murphy | 719 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, and of the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1349 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I may surprise the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, by saying that I know Brockdish extremely ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1349 (Link to this contribution)
Would the noble Lord accept two things? First, would he accept that the speech of the noble Baroness...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1349 (Link to this contribution)
I must confess that I was not aware that that was the purport of the noble Baroness’s amendment. How...
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1340 (Link to this contribution)
12: Clause 1, page 1, line 12, at end insert—
"and will ensure in respect of Academies with a religi...
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1340-2 (Link to this contribution)
The amendments in this group standing in my name are Amendments 12, 60, 107, 121,122 and 166.
One o...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1340 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful for the clear response from the Minister. It is extremely helpful to ha...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1343 (Link to this contribution)
Which principle does the noble Lord mean?
Lord Phillips of Sudbury: I thought that the noble Baron...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1343 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I could come on to that in what I am about to say, but if the noble Lord still wishes to ask...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1342-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 61 on participation in collective worship and religious educa...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1343 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the noble Baroness will explain. Under existing arrangements for a current secondary school ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1344-5 (Link to this contribution)
Again, perhaps I may come to that in a moment. I have talked about the public purse and principles. ...
Lord Kilclooney | 719 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness did not refer to principles; she referred to "unsound principles". I was wonderin...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1364-6 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to my amendments, Amendments 45, 48 and 49, which are in this group, although they rai...
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution)
If I had known what I was embarking on one and a half hours ago, I might have thought twice. However...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1408 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I did not hear my noble friend answer the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, ...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1416 (Link to this contribution)
29: Clause 1, page 2, line 2, at end insert "and includes specified elements"
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would it help the Minister and the Committee if I were to say that the score is England 1,...
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