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Parliamentary Standards Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 20 July 2009, in the House of Lords.
Parliamentary Standards Bill. Lords Report stage. New clauses (Amendments 1 and 8) debated and agreed to. New clause (Amendment 2) debated and withdrawn. New clause (Amendment 16) debated and disagreed to on division (60 votes to 139). Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 68). Standing Order 47 having been dispensed with, the Bill was read a third time and passed with amendments.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

712 c1415-49, 1500-06 

Session

2008-09

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Parliamentary Standards bill. As amended on Report (HL). (Vote)
Monday, 20 July 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Parliamentary Standards bill. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 16 July 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2009-2088
Monday, 20 July 2009
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1441-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has taken me by surprise. He will remember that there was a discussion on t...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 712 c1443 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having spent some time on that committee, I say to my noble friend that it may well be tha...

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Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1443 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend may well be right, and the way in which the Bill is constructed would enab...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1441 (Link to this contribution) Clause 9: Further functions of the IPSA and Commissioner Amendment 15 15: Clause 9, page 6, line 3...
Lord Pannick | 712 c1441 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord very much indeed. It is typical of the way in which the Leader of t...
Lord Goodhart | 712 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene only briefly. I draw attention to the reluctance that amounts virtually to a c...
Lord Tyler | 712 c1444 (Link to this contribution) Clause 13: Expiry of provisions of the Act Amendment 16 16: Clause 13, page 9, line 6, leave out s...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1443 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not proposing that it should be removed from the Bill; it is perfectly obvious that ...
Lord Tyler | 712 c1444-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, last week, during the second day in Committee, we had a brief debate on the relative merit...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1437 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 12 12: Clause 7, page 5, line 30, at end insert— "( ) The member may, if no fault is foun...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not moved Amendment 12; it is not grouped with Amendment 9. I can talk to it if it ...
Lord Strathclyde | 712 c1436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rather agree with my noble friend on Amendment 12—
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the conditions referred to in subsections (5)(b) and (7)(c) need not refer only to the con...
Lord Woolf | 712 c1440 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support what has been said about this amendment. One thing that none of us would want to...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1439 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Lawson. I note that he will not speak in the next de...
Lord Lawson of Blaby | 712 c1439 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend makes a very powerful case. Consistency is known as the hobgoblin of littl...
Lord Strathclyde | 712 c1438 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend’s amendment seems eminently sensible. As he seems to be on such a roll with the Gove...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c1429 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I respectfully agree with the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. I am sure that none of us would wi...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c1430-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have agreed with the analysis and for the kind remarks that ha...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who took part in this debate. I think that the circumstan...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1433 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am immensely grateful to the Government and rather overwhelmed. Amendment 6 agreed.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 712 c1433 (Link to this contribution) Clause 4: MPs' allowances scheme Amendment 7 7: Clause 4, page 3, line 3, at end insert— "(1) In s...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1435 (Link to this contribution) Clause 7: Investigations Amendment 9 9: Clause 7, page 5, line 5, leave out from "such" to "are" a...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 712 c1434 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment deals with an issue which arose in Committee in the other place. It was fel...
Lord Strathclyde | 712 c1416-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment was tabled to fulfil a commitment that the noble Baroness the Leader of the...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1417-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in discussing the new clause in my name we are also discussing the subsequent new clause. ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1415-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 1 1: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— "House of Lords (1) Nothing in this...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c1422-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course, we might have to look at that in the future. We need to be very clear that IPSA...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 712 c1422 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to intervene at this stage but perhaps I can take my noble and learned friend b...
Lord Higgins | 712 c1428 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I first suggested in discussions ahead of the Committee stage last week that it would...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1428-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is just one stone that I should like to turn, because I respectfully agree with all ...
Lord Barnett | 712 c1425 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a non-lawyer and I, too, read my noble and learned friend’s 10-page letter, which I t...
Lord Pannick | 712 c1429 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may add one footnote to the powerful and helpful observations of the Attorney-Ge...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1448 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that I am not in charge of the post—it would be even worse. It will be up to Pa...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1448 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg your pardon. I meant the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart.
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand why the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, wishes to have clarification of this clause....
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 712 c1441 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. The noble Lord, Lord Pannick, talked about various groups o...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 712 c1441 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, for allowing us to debate this matter again...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c1441 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is perfectly natural to have fairness expressed in this. We are not interfering with th...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1447-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by staying that I am seeking consensus, not defenestration. The argument of the no...
Baroness Hamwee | 712 c1446-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, because we are going back to an issue that we debated at the previous stage, I repeat my c...
Lord Strathclyde | 712 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 13 deals with a most important aspect of the expiry of the provisions of the Act, a...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c1445 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly agree with the view that some form of review is required after two years, give...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1437 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am immensely grateful to the noble Baroness for her support. We look forward to seeing h...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in the happy position of having already secured the support of the Liberal Democrat B...
Lord Strathclyde | 712 c1436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend. We shall talk to Amendment 12 when we get to it.
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1435 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that we can take this amendment with Amendments 10 and 11. Noble Lords will remembe...
Lord Goodhart | 712 c1436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, mentioned, I said in Committee that it is highly desirable...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1440 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I added my name to this amendment and I would like to add one or two comments. As the nobl...
Lord Pannick | 712 c1439-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 13 would impose on the IPSA a duty to ensure that the procedures which it lays d...
Lord Pannick | 712 c1439 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 13 13: Clause 7, page 5, line 36, after "must" insert "be fair and"
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1439 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I stand by what I said in response to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin. The Government believe ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution) That is a somewhat disappointing reply. By definition we are dealing with the case of a Member again...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1438 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord explained, his amendment would leave it up to the MP to decide whether a "no fault...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 712 c1429-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, congratulate the Attorney-General on her clear and concise exposition of her case....
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 712 c1432 (Link to this contribution) Clause 2: Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority etc Amendment 4 4: Clause 2, page 2, line ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1432 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 1: Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority Amendment 5 5: Page 6, line 21, leave ou...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1432 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 6 6: Schedule 1, page 15, line 34, leave out "consistency" and insert "the consistency sp...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we had a brief discussion in Committee about the meaning of the word "consistency" in the ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1433 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to make our debate on this amendment last, but I cannot. We agree with the no...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 712 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 8 8: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause— "Information and guidance about tax...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 712 c1435 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my understanding is that it will and that it will exercise it within the proper framework ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c1435 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, are we to assume that the IPSA will have responsibility for deduction and payment of tax?
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1417 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 2 2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— "Article IX of the Bill of Rights 1...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c1420-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the leave of the House, it has been suggested that I should rise at this stage to res...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1416 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we debated the question of whether we should say that this Bill applied to your Lords...
Lord Tyler | 712 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the Attorney-General. Does she acknowledge that if the Government ha...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c1425-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is probably right, but in order to explain why that is so we would be here ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c1425 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we should have only that on the statute book which is necessary. I say that most particula...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 712 c1425 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have taken on board the concerns that were raised 10 years ago, but your Lo...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 712 c1501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that the noble Baroness has been as good as her word and that we have improved t...
Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 712 c1501-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with Third Reading we now have a Bill, hatched and dispatched in a great deal of hurry, wh...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we discussed this question earlier on Report, I said, on the basis of some amendments...
Lord Tyler | 712 c1448-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness the Leader of the House has referred to the Constitution Committee. We ...
Lord Goodhart | 712 c1448 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Goodlad, and I find that we get each other’s letters quite frequently...
Lord Strathclyde | 712 c1504-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, was going to save my few words for the Bill do now pass debate, but I will follow ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1506 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this Motion I hope that the House will allow me to express my thanks to noble Lo...
Lord Norton of Louth | 712 c1503-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly. There is a good article in the Times today that makes the case for ...
Baroness Quin | 712 c1502-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the Bill. I congratulate my noble friends on the Front Bench on the marathon in ...
Lord Palmer | 712 c1504 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, pay great tribute to the Leader of the House and echo the words of the noble Lords...
Lord Tyler | 712 c1504 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had intended to say much the same thing as the noble Lord, Lord Norton of Louth, in the ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1425 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not going to interrupt, but is not the answer that it would do harm because it would...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 712 c1500 (Link to this contribution) Amendment Clause 9, page 6, line 14, after "procedures" insert "or any conditions under subsection ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 712 c1502 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as we come to the end of this Bill it is perhaps appropriate to say one or two things. Thi...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 712 c1433 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a technical amendment. Under the European Parliament (Pay and Pensions) Act 1979, ...

Subjects

Complaints
Appeals
Conduct
Allowances
House of Lords
EU law
European Parliament members
Members
Parliament
Standards
Taxation
European Court of Justice
Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority
Sunset clauses

Legislation

Parliamentary Standards Bill 2008-09

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