Manchester City Council Bill (HL) and Bournemouth Borough Council Bill (HL). Revival motion that the promoters of the Bills, originally introduced in the House of Lords in Session 2006-07 on 22 January 2007, should have leave to proceed with the Bills in the current Session according to the provisions of Standing Order 188B (Revival of Bills). Agreed to on division (234 votes to 10).
Manchester City Council Bill [Lords] and Bournemouth Borough Council Bill [Lords]
Legislative debate on Tuesday, 21 April 2009,
in the House of Commons,
led by Tony Lloyd.
The answering
member was Christopher Chope.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
491 c171-91Session
2008-09Chamber / Committee
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Bournemouth Borough Council Bill (HL). Petition deposited by Sharpe Pritchard (vote)
Monday, 27 November 2006
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Monday, 27 November 2006
Bills
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Manchester City Council Bill (HL). Petition deposited by Sharpe Pritchard
Monday, 27 November 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Monday, 27 November 2006
Bills
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Proceeding contributions
Christopher Chope | 491 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Certainly, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In fact, the motion is for a revival rather than for carry over, beca...
Speaker | 491 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Order. For the guidance of the House, it is fairly plain that we have a motion before us for carry o...
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Greg Knight | 491 c177 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making an interesting speech, but is not the flaw in the argument that he is devel...
Christopher Chope | 491 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Certainly not. Nor do I want to anticipate my drafting of any possible amendments.
Christopher Chope | 491 c178 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I am. I met representatives from Leeds city council and from Reading borough council today, and...
Peter Bone | 491 c178 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend able briefly to say which two councils have compromised and which have not?
Christopher Chope | 491 c177-8 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very fair point. One of the questions that we must consider in deciding wheth...
Peter Bone | 491 c177 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for being so generous in giving way. He should forgive me if I do no...
Christopher Chope | 491 c174 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure that revivals normally take place; it is a question of judgment. I think that there is...
Greg Knight | 491 c173 (Link to this contribution)
While of course accepting that what has been said from the Chair is correct—and is, indeed, always c...
Speaker | 491 c173 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will not be too distracted by his hon. Friend, because he unde...
Christopher Chope | 491 c172-3 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome this debate because it should give the promoters of these Bills the opportunity to show ca...
Philip Davies | 491 c173 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very powerful case on these matters. Does he agree that it is also important ...
Christopher Chope | 491 c171 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the hon. Gentleman needs to address the fact that, since the Bills came before the House, the...
Tony Lloyd | 491 c171-2 (Link to this contribution)
For the record, the Durham university study does not show that. For example, it said that, even for ...
Christopher Chope | 491 c173-4 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely fundamental. What has happened in this case is a change of circumstances. Where t...
Peter Bone | 491 c174 (Link to this contribution)
This debate is about the revival of the Bill. Could not the Government have found time for a carry-o...
Speaker | 491 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman does not want to anticipate the selection that would take p...
Christopher Chope | 491 c176-7 (Link to this contribution)
As so often in the House, my hon. Friend makes a compelling statement of what most people would rega...
Julian Brazier | 491 c176 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. Will he now answer my question?
Christopher Chope | 491 c176 (Link to this contribution)
I will not answer my hon. Friend's question directly, but simply refer him to the report because I d...
Philip Davies | 491 c176 (Link to this contribution)
I admit that I have not been on the Department's website, so will my hon. Friend tell us whether, gi...
Christopher Chope | 491 c176 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises a point that I was going to come to in a minute. In response to a written ques...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 491 c174 (Link to this contribution)
Members on both sides of the House have now said that this is a matter for the discretion of the Hou...
Christopher Chope | 491 c174-5 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that anybody is ruling out the possibility that there could be a vote on this issue, ...
Julian Brazier | 491 c175 (Link to this contribution)
What is the difference between an illegal street trader with a pedlar's licence and a pedlar who tra...
Christopher Chope | 491 c175-6 (Link to this contribution)
I referred to the Bills' promoters, but obviously my hon. Friend promotes the Bill about Canterbury—...
Philip Davies | 491 c176 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very helpful reply. Does my hon. Friend therefore agree that that response from the Govern...
Tony Lloyd | 491 c171 (Link to this contribution)
This is rather like old times, I suppose, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The business before the House tonight ...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c185 (Link to this contribution)
As my hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope) said, the genesis of these revival motions...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c185 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to give way to the sponsor of the Manchester Bill.
Tony Lloyd | 491 c185 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c185-6 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is exactly right, and he makes a point that I was coming to. For purposes of conv...
Tony Lloyd | 491 c185 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I shall be brief, as I do not want to encourage long speeches. ...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c186-7 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend usefully draws attention to that paragraph, but somewhere else the report notes that ...
Christopher Chope | 491 c186 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has great mastery of the subject and of the Durham report. May I draw to his attentio...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c187-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to hear that intervention from the hon. Gentleman, who of course has a long record of...
Brian Iddon | 491 c187 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman admit that a residency requirement must be met to obtain a certificate from ...
Speaker | 491 c178-9 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope) anticipates what I am about to say....
Christopher Chope | 491 c179 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am grateful for your guidance. Let me respond to the intervention fro...
Martin Salter | 491 c178 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will not be surprised to learn that I have been closely involved in the discussio...
Christopher Chope | 491 c179-80 (Link to this contribution)
You will never find me criticising my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth, West in the Chamber, M...
John Butterfill | 491 c180 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has already done so.
John Butterfill | 491 c179 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that the Durham study observes that circumstances will vary considerably ...
Speaker | 491 c179 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that, in the course of this interlocution between two distinguished members of the Ch...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c180 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has considerable knowledge of this subject. In his discussions with the promoters of ...
Christopher Chope | 491 c180 (Link to this contribution)
I have not yet done so, but perhaps we will send a note of the record to the constabulary.
My hon. ...
Peter Bone | 491 c181 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to be clear on the issue of costs. If the Bills are revived, would the councils and the local...
Christopher Chope | 491 c181 (Link to this contribution)
The short answer is that I have not estimated how much the cost would be to this House. These two Bi...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c182 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will certainly be aware that the House may not—
Speaker | 491 c182 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I just say to the hon. Gentleman that he should face the microphone, because if he does n...
Philip Davies | 491 c180-1 (Link to this contribution)
As the jury is still out and the report says that we still do not really know what the effect has be...
Christopher Chope | 491 c181 (Link to this contribution)
That is a statement of self-evident common sense. It is particularly important to pay regard to the ...
Speaker | 491 c181 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I have tried to give the hon. Gentleman a ruling that the fact of the report is one thing, th...
Christopher Chope | 491 c181 (Link to this contribution)
I shall endeavour to comply, as always, with your ruling, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Christopher Chope | 491 c180 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises an important point. Obviously, I have not been able to do my own direct resear...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 491 c182 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My head will face the microphone and my hand will face my hon. Friend...
Christopher Chope | 491 c184 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is being typically generous in giving way. May I press him a little further on the time...
Gareth Thomas | 491 c184-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is sufficiently long in the tooth to know that I cannot tonight give commitments ...
Philip Davies | 491 c184 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister not understand, though, the logic of the argument? I commend the Government for wh...
Gareth Thomas | 491 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to have the hon. Gentleman's support. I hope that he will be sufficiently open-minded ...
David Lepper | 491 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome what my hon. Friend has said about consultation and I am sure that he will be consulting w...
Gareth Thomas | 491 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly want the views of business. I would welcome comments from business improvement districts...
Christopher Chope | 491 c182-3 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is noted for his contrariness on such occasions, and it is important that that ...
Gareth Thomas | 491 c183-4 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, it is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope) and my hon. Friend ...
Christopher Chope | 491 c182 (Link to this contribution)
I have not had the experience that my Front-Bench colleague has of serving on a private Bill Committ...
Greg Knight | 491 c182 (Link to this contribution)
The point about fees and costs cuts both ways, because if we allow the Bills to proceed, the promote...
Christopher Chope | 491 c173 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am grateful for your guidance.
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 491 c188 (Link to this contribution)
The question before us tonight is whether the Bills should be allowed to be revived. The hon. Member...
Peter Bone | 491 c188-9 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief, as I had not intended to speak in the debate. We have heard a great deal about the...
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