Planning Bill. Lords report stage first day.
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Lord Hart of Chilton | 705 c334-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose these amendments, which seek to make the IPC a referral body. I have carefully li...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c336-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to be able to follow the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, because I, too, want the B...
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Lord Burnett | 705 c339-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I draw the House’s attention to my interests on the Register. My law firm carries out cons...
Lord Soley | 705 c337-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not spoken before on this Bill, largely because I regard it as probably the most pr...
Lord Burnett | 705 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my point is that there were no national policy statements. The inspector had nothing up to...
Lord Soley | 705 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not criticising the inspector in any way. I think that he did a good job. The issue ...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c341-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, declare interests, which are in the Register. My law firm also deals with planning...
Lord Tyler | 705 c333-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to make a brief contribution to this very important debate. I think it is tr...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c332-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment goes to the heart of the role of the Infrastructure Planning Commission whic...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c331-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want to repeat all that I said at the Committee stage, but I will repeat what for...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c329-31 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at end insert ““for the purpose of advising th...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c350-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a long, interesting and in some ways very detailed debate, which I find sadd...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c349-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not give way to the noble Lord as I need to press on. While, of course, it will nee...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c347-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can answer that. At the moment, we have an end-to-end review—the Killian/Pretty review—w...
Lord Burnett | 705 c347 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way. I think there is consensus around the H...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c345-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am extremely grateful to everyone who has spoken in this debate. The noble Lord, Lord Wi...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 705 c344 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I promise the Minister that I will be brief, particularly at this stage and hour. I am gra...
Lord Cobbold | 705 c362-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:
3: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, at end insert—
““( ) There is to be a body of ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 705 c354 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving this Motion, I sugg...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c396-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 18:
18: Clause 5, page 3, line 22, leave out ““suitable (or potentially suitab...
Bishop of Liverpool | 705 c395 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to the debate on this group of amendments....
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c394-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have spent the past three weeks giving help to all sides of the House. The noble Earl is...
Earl of Caithness | 705 c394 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the Minister give further consideration before the next stage to the amendment that w...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c393 (Link to this contribution)
It does indeed.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c393 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that is right. I am sure that is what is meant. Only two weeks ago, noble Lords we...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c392-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister leaves that point, one of the essential features of the decisions that...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 705 c390 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, how does the Minister reconcile what he has just said with the actual words in the amendme...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c387-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Cameron of Dillington, has reminded me that I also should have repeat...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c387 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Liverpool in his amendments on climate ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c389 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the Minister considering the right question when he says that it is a matter for the IP...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c388-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a great pleasure to respond to this group of amendments. I know that my noble friend...
Lord Reay | 705 c383-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am quite happy to do that. I start by repeating an interest, which I declared in Committ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c385-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to follow what my noble friend Lord Reay said, it has often been said that the Government ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am in the hands of the House. As I will also respond to other amendments, is the noble L...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c389 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I well understand the noble Lord’s point, but it does not detract from the general thrust ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c379-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to have an opportunity to return to this matter. On the great tribute that th...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c379 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, returning to the Disability Discrimination Act, the noble Baroness has described to me the...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c378-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 17A:
17A: Schedule 1, page 143, line 2, at end insert—
““Disability Discrimina...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c382-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my pager message says that we are in contempt of the amendments, but it meant content. We ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 705 c382 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the right reverend Prelate, which would strengthen the Bi...
Bishop of Liverpool | 705 c381-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 17B:
17B: Clause 5, page 3, line 13, at end insert—
““(3A) Before designating ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c380 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for that and for the Minister’s apology for not being able to produce the an...
Baroness Northover | 705 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join my noble colleague Lady Hamwee in supporting the right reverend Prelate’s amendment...
Lord Reay | 705 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have tabled an amendment to a government amendment in this group. Would the Minister lik...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c374 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very useful and helpful discussion. Indeed, the noble Baroness went a long...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c376 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the compliment, and I am very glad to see the government amendment, whic...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c374-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 17:
17: Schedule 1, page 140, line 1, leave out ““42(2)”” and insert ““(Guidan...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, raised a very important point. I can reassure him that we are...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c376-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that it will not be too tedious if I raise again the question that I raised in Comm...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c377-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the government amendments are, indeed, helpful, but my noble friend Lord Jenkin of Roding ...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for listening to what I said in Committee and for reacting to it. I a...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c378 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can probably surprise all noble Lords by showing how fast this Government work. Since my...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c378 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I am sure he realises that ““in the first half of next ye...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c378 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I completely agree with the noble Lord, but I am reassured by the fact that we have starte...
Lord Cobbold | 705 c366-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response, but it is very disappointing. I am grateful to the...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c367 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 7 to 15:
7: Schedule 1, page 138, line 29, after first ““making”” insert ““o...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c364 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is no doubt that ““council”” has a particular connotation, which does not apply in t...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c364-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we all have a sense of déjà vu and frustration about this. The noble Lord has pursued the ...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c363 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment No. 6 in this group is in my name. The noble Lord, Lord Cobbold, did a most vali...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c363-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the group contains government amendments to the schedule which aim to deal with the diffic...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c370-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is an important group of amendments, and I am grateful for the support for our amendm...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c369-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, am puzzled by the proposal in government Amendment No. 94 and I look forward to he...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c369 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is a major issue other than public confidence: making sure that evidence is tested. ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c367-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 16:
16: Schedule 1, page 139, line 20, at end insert—
““11A (1) The Secretary ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c427 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 36:
36: Clause 9, page 5, line 29, leave out ““the House of Commons”” and inse...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c427 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been an extremely interesting, helpful and clarifying debate, because we have mad...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c425-6 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, they will indeed, my Lords. They will have legal effect, but they are not legislation in the wa...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c421 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I did not make myself clear, it is because I feel very strongly on these matters. Perha...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c421 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it may be my fault, but I fail to understand the noble Lord’s point about the approval of ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c421 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness has never been a Member of the House of Commons, which is the main deci...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c425 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Baroness remember saying in an earlier debate on this subject that planning...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c423-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had a powerful and enjoyable debate. I am grateful to everyone who has taken part....
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 705 c422-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as this is the first time I have spoken as opposed to intervening at this stage, I declare...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c421-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, said that his version was shorter and simpler, which may...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c417-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, sometimes that might be the nature of progress. On many occasions, this House has been pre...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c418 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, put my name to Amendments Nos. 34 and 35 because I believe that Clause 9 is at the...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c418 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I indicated in relation to Amendment No. 1, I attach a great deal of importance to the ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c417 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what does the noble Lord envisage happening if one House should approve and the other shou...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c417 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I admit that that would cause a great deal of difficulty, and I have not gone through that...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c418-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke strongly in favour of the sense of this amendment in Committee. I have been reread...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 705 c419 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. If my memory is correct, we had a similar ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c419-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what has happened to casinos since then? Well, who was right? If the Government had been c...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c413 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 28 and 29:
28: Clause 6, page 3, line 42, at end insert—
““(1A) A review may...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c413-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 31:
31: Clause 8, page 5, line 15, leave out second ““or””
The noble Lord sai...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c412 (Link to this contribution)
Not at all, my Lords. I almost forgot to address Amendment No. 40. I have some sympathy with the nob...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c412-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I implied at the beginning of the debate that we were in a chicken-and-egg situation. If w...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c412 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should be grateful if the noble Baroness will do that. The note that she kindly sent on ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c416-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 34:
34: Clause 9, page 5, line 21, at end insert ““for the approval by affirma...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c416 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 32:
32: Clause 8, page 5, line 17, at end insert—
““(g) a National Park author...
Lord Judd | 705 c415 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hardly need to be urged to thank my noble friend for the amendment. It is good that it i...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c415-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak briefly to the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Berkeley, who ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:
23: Clause 5, page 3, line 31, at end insert—
““(5A) If a national policy ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 25:
25: Clause 5, page 3, line 33, at end insert—
““(6A) The reasons must (in ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c406-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 27:
27: Clause 6, page 3, line 40, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of State...
Earl of Caithness | 705 c407 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when the Minister speaks to her Amendment No. 28, will she explain why it is necessary to ...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c407 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have Amendment No. 40 in this group. It would amend Clause 11, which lists points reflec...
Duke of Montrose | 705 c407-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not have an amendment down in this group, but I understand that all noble Lords who h...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c408-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not intended to speak but, given the comments made by the noble Duke, the Duke of Mo...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c409-11 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for that intervention from such an expert. We talk about expertise in the Ho...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c412 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know how long it would take. If the NPS is suspended, the IPC will refer decision...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c398-401 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend is right that important issues have been raised by the noble Baroness. I a...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c401-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for that. I will not press the point on the statutory undertaker, although I...
Lord Judd | 705 c398 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at the outset of my remarks, it is appropriate to say to the noble Baroness that were she ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c404-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that remark; she put the position more powerfully tha...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c402-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 21:
21: Clause 5, page 3, line 31, at end insert—
““( ) set out the flood risk...
Earl of Caithness | 705 c403-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. I referred to flooding at Second Reading and, given...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister. I presume that the IPC would have to look at flooding and ask whethe...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c405-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Caithness for his support. From the Minister’s reaction, I se...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Earl withdraws the amendment, I should like to make a clarification to en...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c427 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 37:
37: Clause 10, page 5, line 41, at end insert—
““(3) For the purposes of s...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c428 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned.
Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c428 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 38 and 39:
38: Clause 11, page 6, line 2, after ““that”” insert ““the condit...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c428 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 41:
41: Clause 11, page 6, line 11, after second ““statement”” insert ““or the...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 705 c340-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose the amendments, and I do so for the reasons that I explained before when we spoke...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 705 c344 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord O’Neill of Clackmannan, it occurs to me ...
Baroness Whitaker | 705 c384-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the focus returns to climate change, perhaps I may support Amendments Nos. 23 and 3...
Baroness Whitaker | 705 c420 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I interrupt the noble Lord with great timidity. When I was briefed as a civil servant on h...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c416 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I gave a silent welcome to some of the Government’s earlier amendments, such as Amendments...
Baroness Ford | 705 c404 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not recognise the caricature of PPS25 in the way it has been described today. In my e...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c335-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a long-running argument. It has run through the debates in another place and...
Lord Best | 705 c343-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am wondering what is left for me to add in opposition to these amendments. Perhaps I may...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c390-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my reading of the amendments tabled by the right reverend Prelate is that it is a requirem...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 705 c417 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord suggest, from the Conservative Front Bench, that an unelected House of...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c411 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the noble Baroness can clarify something for me. If there is to be a review in whole or ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c393-4 (Link to this contribution)
Good; that is a good start, my Lords. The point about regional matters was very well put. I very muc...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c386-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group is a bit of a jumble containing amendments on climate change, important landsca...
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