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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 23 July 2007, in the House of Lords.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Committee stage seventh day. Part 3 of 3 records.

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2006-07

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Department for Communities and Local Government

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Committee stage

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) The Minister made a valiant attempt to tell us that all will be well. She told us how all the local ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c671-3 (Link to this contribution) I too have a massive speaking note, which I shall discard and try to address as quickly as possible ...

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Baroness Neuberger | 694 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, had prepared a quite lengthy speech for these clause stand part debates but, like the noble ...
Earl Howe | 694 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) I had prepared a great deal to say about these clauses, but I am going to spare the Committee the pl...
Lord Rea | 694 c669 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may speak briefly to Amendment No. 252A, which the noble Baroness did mention early on in ...
Baroness Meacher | 694 c666-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to the clause stand part Motions in relation to Clauses 229, 230 and 231. In so doin...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c666 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 240 to 242: 240: Clause 227, page 160, line 3, leave out ““, or issue guidan...
Earl Howe | 694 c666 (Link to this contribution) It is a little unusual to have a reply to an opposition amendment before the amendment has even been...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 239: 239: Clause 227, page 158, line 42, after ““State”” insert ““that may be ...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 242E is consequential on Amendments Nos. 242C and 242D. The noble Earl, Lord Howe, has...
Earl Howe | 694 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 242C: 242C: Clause 232, page 162, line 37, leave out ““significant”” The nobl...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c679 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I, too, can enter these discussions in the right spirit. I stress that we take these iss...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c679 (Link to this contribution) I reinforce that point, because it is significant. The admirable way in which it has been illustrate...
Earl Howe | 694 c674-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 242ZA: 242ZA: Clause 232, page 162, line 35, after ““services”” insert ““and m...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c674 (Link to this contribution) They were not piloted, I think, because we thought that the lessons about new ways of working were b...
Earl Howe | 694 c677 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her reply and for her offer to write to me, which I look for...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure I can give the noble Earl the comfort that he seeks. I shall do my best, but I fear th...
Baroness Meacher | 694 c674 (Link to this contribution) The Minister did not respond to the point about the need for pilots. She just said that delaying wou...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c674 (Link to this contribution) We listened in particular to the patient forums saying that they wanted closure and an end to uncert...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Earl Howe | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, as I was, incidentally, for her remarks on Amendments Nos....
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) It would be useful for the record to clarify the position on strategic health authorities. The advic...
Earl Howe | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) I shall reflect very carefully on what the Minister said about strategic health authorities. I apolo...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c680-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 242G seeks to make it explicit that the duty on PCTs to report on consultation should ...
Earl Howe | 694 c680 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 242G: 242G: Clause 233, page 163, line 36, after ““the”” insert ““public”” Th...
Earl Howe | 694 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for saying that she will do that. That is most helpful. As the noble B...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c650 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can reassure the noble Earl. I quite agree with him; I cannot conceive of an organisation ...
Earl Howe | 694 c650 (Link to this contribution) That was a slightly disappointing reply although it was not wholly unexpected. The principal point I...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c648-50 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is quite wrong because sometimes I do not know what I am going to say. I am departin...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c648 (Link to this contribution) I follow on with a brief word on Amendment No. 238S. Following what the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and t...
Lord Rea | 694 c647-8 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak briefly to Amendment No. 238Q. It is self-explanatory. Its purpose is to provide ind...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c645-6 (Link to this contribution) I very much want to read what the noble Baroness said but I still have a lingering doubt at the back...
Earl Howe | 694 c646 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Howe, makes an important point. We will wish to study carefully what the Mi...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c645 (Link to this contribution) I take the point about protocols, and I commit to writing to the noble Earl to see whether, in the t...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 694 c656 (Link to this contribution) If noble Lords watched the ““Panorama”” programme on care homes earlier this year, they would have s...
Earl Howe | 694 c654-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238VD: 238VD: Clause 225, page 156, line 22, leave out ““view”” and insert ““i...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c652 (Link to this contribution) I hope the noble Earl, Lord Howe, will be proved wrong, and that the Minister will be able to reassu...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c652 (Link to this contribution) This is an interesting and sympathetic proposal. We have always made it clear that LINks can work to...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c652-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her response. I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for pointing out ...
Earl Howe | 694 c653 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238T: 238T: Clause 224, page 155, line 42, leave out ““dealing with”” and inse...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238R: 238R: Clause 223, page 155, line 36, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in the...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c662 (Link to this contribution) That is part of the evolutionary nature of the boards of governors. The relationship between boards ...
Baroness Meacher | 694 c662 (Link to this contribution) Our own PPI chairman has decided that PPI is not the place to be. She has become a member of a board...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c661-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that contribution, not least because the noble Baroness is so experienced; I pay t...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c657 (Link to this contribution) The amendment goes to the heart of this legislation. We are all deeply concerned that LINks will not...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c657-9 (Link to this contribution) These are indeed important amendments and I want to reassure noble Lords in different ways. I am gra...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c656 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments strikes at the core of our concern. Frankly, one is given the impression th...
Earl Howe | 694 c659 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that we all understand that conditions have to be attached to these visits; there is no ar...
Baroness Meacher | 694 c659-61 (Link to this contribution) I will introduce a very different note. I should first declare an interest. I am the chairman of a m...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 694 c659 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may intervene before the noble Earl winds up. I cannot see that visitors will endlessly po...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c659 (Link to this contribution) One thing that I did not make clear was that LINks will be able to enter and view only communal area...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) A LINk report that covered the entire spectrum of health and social care, with every significant and...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c662-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238AB: 238AB: Clause 227, page 158, line 41, leave out ““person preparing it””...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) Why not Members of Parliament, and Peers?
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Baroness admitted that the drafting of Clause 227 was somewhat complex, she provided ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting question. The nature of the contract that the local authority would hold with...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask one more brief question on this. The Minister said that lots of people would be ve...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c643 (Link to this contribution) I support everything that the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has said. I shall add a few words on Amendment ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c643 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to the two amendments in my name, which are also probing amendments. In Amendment No. ...
Earl Howe | 694 c642-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238M: 238M: Clause 223, page 155, line 24, at end insert ““nor a provider of l...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c643-5 (Link to this contribution) These amendments raise some important issues and I am pleased to have the chance to discuss them. We...
Earl Howe | 694 c645 (Link to this contribution) That was a helpful reply from the Minister, for which I am most grateful. Its only disappointing asp...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) At one level, Amendments Nos. 238T and 238U address a detailed semantic issue, the like of which we ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c663 (Link to this contribution) That is a devastating question; I will think about it while I am answering the first question. I am ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c671 (Link to this contribution) I shall add my words extremely briefly. I have listened to the debate with considerable interest bec...
Earl Howe | 694 c650 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly be glad to follow that up. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by l...
Earl Howe | 694 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) I believe and hope that the Minister will reassure the Committee that there is nothing to prevent LI...
Baroness Neuberger | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for everything that she said. She rightly says that she has not wholly...
Earl Howe | 694 c646-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238P: 238P: Clause 223, page 155, line 34, at end insert— ““(5A) The Secretary...
Earl Howe | 694 c654 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ““deal with”” with the Minister’s helpful reply by thanking her for it. I am in part r...

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Health services
Local government
NHS
Patients
Public participation
Patients' forums
Local involvement networks

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07

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