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Greater London Authority Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 2 May 2007, in the House of Lords.
Greater London Authority Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 12 to 21 agreed to. Clause 22 agreed to as amended. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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691 c57-114GC 

Session

2006-07

Department

Department for Communities and Local Government

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Greater London Authority Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 46-EN also published.
Wednesday, 28 February 2007
Bills
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Valentine | 691 c60GC (Link to this contribution) London First has always supported the strong mayoral model. Anything that seeks to confuse his role ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c84GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise again to the noble Lord, Lord Sheikh, for intervening again before he responds. My noble...

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Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c78GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene again, but can the noble Baroness give us an example of where it might have ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c72GC (Link to this contribution) There is no floor to the scrutiny budget at Essex County Council, so why should there be one at the ...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c101GC (Link to this contribution) It is not making it any better. I am still attracted by my amendment. It will return at the next sta...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c99GC (Link to this contribution) I can see no reason why it should not be permitted that the health adviser and the deputy health adv...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c93GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that answer. No one denies that Transport for London must have a stra...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c89GC (Link to this contribution) I accept the criticism that the amendment is flawed, and the discussion has sensibly brought that ou...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c91-2GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord raises an important point. Transport for London involves matters that come close to t...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c107GC (Link to this contribution) These amendments have triggered a fascinating and important debate. There are so many things that I ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c111-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am obviously grateful for that. There are more than just drafting issues involved. I hesitated abo...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c112GC (Link to this contribution) We will resist the amendment. As we have just heard, the amendment would remove, "““other matters of...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c58GC (Link to this contribution) It will not surprise the Committee to hear that we, too, support the amendment. Schedule 6 to the 19...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c62-4GC (Link to this contribution) I would not dispute that. The noble Baroness may wish to take advantage of an invitation to talk thr...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c69-71GC (Link to this contribution) That is right because, as I said on a previous amendment, this arrangement is sui generis. I have b...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c69GC (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Baroness point to anywhere else within the system whereby budgets are protected in thi...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c67GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with what the noble Lord said about the importance of the function that London TravelWatch p...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c68GC (Link to this contribution) I was rather heartened by the Minister’s first comments because it seems that we all support this or...
Lord Tordoff | 691 c86GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord will forgive me, technically we do not have a Motion in front of us until the nobl...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c86GC (Link to this contribution) I understood that you could intervene at any stage, with the permission of the Member who is speakin...
Lord Tordoff | 691 c86GC (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Motion should be in front of the Committee before Members join in the discussio...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c83GC (Link to this contribution) If I recall, the date of elections in London—admittedly, they were parliamentary elections—was chang...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c81GC (Link to this contribution) We are told that these amendments amount to a veto or blocking power because of the strength of the ...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 691 c82GC (Link to this contribution) This is a very interesting proposal. I was a member of the GLC when the elections were deferred last...
Lord Sheikh | 691 c81-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39: 39: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause— ““Ordinary elections...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c82-3GC (Link to this contribution) This is a very interesting proposal. In fact, it is so interesting that I think it was raised—and, a...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c79-81GC (Link to this contribution) As usual, I am very grateful to my noble friend for picking up the most important point of the argum...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c78GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I can, but I am not sure that I am required to. As I said on the last group of a...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c76GC (Link to this contribution) Internal democratic processes would enable coalitions to make a difference and allow the Assembly to...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c75GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness was surprised at the proposition in the Bill that the draft component budgets cou...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c73-5GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a lively debate. I will not follow the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, through the detail...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c75GC (Link to this contribution) At Second Reading I referred to these clauses as being as complicated as a Fair Isle knitting patter...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c72GC (Link to this contribution) A democratic body would ensure that enough money was available for the scrutiny function, but if I, ...
Lord Tordoff | 691 c101GC (Link to this contribution) In calling Amendment No. 43, I should point out that if it is agreed to, I shall not be able to call...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c100-1GC (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to what the Minister said. Is the over-riding consideration that the Government...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c98-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 42: 42: Clause 21, page 19, line 20, at end insert— ““( ) In section 61 of the...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c97GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister help me? Do the Government not actually support taking the matter forward? If they ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c97-8GC (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting question. I have tried to be clear, although I may not have been clear enough...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c96GC (Link to this contribution) Far be it for me to challenge the Clerks, but I am concerned that a Bill in which the Long Title inc...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 691 c95GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. I declare a slight interest in that I live in Westminster. I have hea...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c104-5GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 43 provides for the health adviser to be an employee of the GLA, and to be appointed b...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c101-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 43: 43: Clause 21, page 19, line 25, leave out from beginning to end of line 1...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c112GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to be assured that the words in subsection (5)(d), "““that are determinants of life exp...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c114GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60: 60: Clause 22, page 24, leave out lines 30 to 36 On Question, amendment a...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c113GC (Link to this contribution) It is not the policy intention that we create a huge inappropriate list. I will write to the noble B...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c113GC (Link to this contribution) We may need to return to this because it sounds as though this clause needs amending. The trouble is...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c105-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44: 44: Clause 21, page 19, line 36, leave out from ““health”” to end of line ...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c105GC (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the Committee adjourns for five minutes for the Chairman to make alternative arrangem...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c107-8GC (Link to this contribution) Good. This has prompted a debate about public health. We need to be clear that we are talking about ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c108-9GC (Link to this contribution) As I understand it—I may need to correct myself—the mayoral powers are set out in the 1999 Act. We w...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c110GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53A: 53A: Clause 22, page 23, line 14, at end insert— ““(h) a London Borough C...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c111GC (Link to this contribution) On a narrow point, the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, would include London boro...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c112GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 56: 56: Clause 22, page 23, line 46, leave out from ““health”” to end of line ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c58-9GC (Link to this contribution) The arguments in favour of the amendment seem to rest on the basis that the current Mayor of London ...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 691 c57GC (Link to this contribution) There will probably be a Division in the Chamber. If so, the noble Lord speaking will cease and we w...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c60GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Harris, is correct in so far as we probably ought to change the whole system, b...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c64GC (Link to this contribution) Is not virtually all the net increase in the mayoral precept, about which the noble Baroness, Lady H...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c62GC (Link to this contribution) After consultation, the Assembly can propose alterations to the first draft by a simple majority, bu...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c62GC (Link to this contribution) No; that was built into the Act—it is a rather nice option, when you think about it.
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c62GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to clarify that the Assembly does not have the option to reject the first draft.
Baroness Andrews | 691 c62GC (Link to this contribution) That is the point I was trying to make. The Assembly does not have the option to reject.
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c62GC (Link to this contribution) I am not as familiar with the workings of the GLA as I am with those of Essex County Council. The no...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c60-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Committee for that short discussion, which is the start of a very important deb...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28: 28: Clause 13, page 13, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) In issuing a directio...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c69GC (Link to this contribution) We are all getting old. Perhaps we should have used ““PM””, for previous Mayor. The minimum Assembly...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c68-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: 29: Clause 13, page 13, line 12, at end insert— ““(5A) After paragraph 5A ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c86GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot quite understand what the noble Baroness is saying. She referred to10 per cent of the elect...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c85-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 40: 40: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause— After section 16 of ...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c86GC (Link to this contribution) The power has not been widely used in the United States, and it would not be used widely here either...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c83-4GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is deeply unfair. I certainly did not say that the Olympic Games was a minor issue. ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 691 c79GC (Link to this contribution) In moving the amendment, the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said that it was not a veto. Amendments No...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c78-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 73 is in this group. It is very similar to those moved by the noble Baroness but it...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 691 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments seem to constitute a major rewording of a whole chunk of the Bill. I gather from the ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c72GC (Link to this contribution) Did I hear the noble Lord say that he was the leader of the Essex authority?
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c72GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord can do it, why cannot the Mayor? Is the noble Lord any less or more likely to do i...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c72GC (Link to this contribution) In local government we have a strong leader in a Cabinet model, but the county council has the power...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c71-2GC (Link to this contribution) Our names are attached to most of the amendments in this group. As the debate has gone on, I have be...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure if that is a sufficient reason for why the provision of a requirement to attend should...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I am fascinated that my amendment has triggered this important debate because it will move us seamle...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c101GC (Link to this contribution) This is an important point. The health adviser advises on the Mayor’s strategy—
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c98GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that TfL sought clarification of its powers through the courts. That was what I wa...
Lord Berkeley | 691 c98GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. Yes, I recall, as my nob...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c96-7GC (Link to this contribution) This is clearly an issue. I, too, pay tribute to the ingenuity of my noble friend for raising this m...
Lord Berkeley | 691 c93-5GC (Link to this contribution) I shall use this opportunity, not to talk about remuneration and allowances, with which I am satisfi...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c95GC (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, on his ingenuity. I would not have thought that the cl...
Lord Hanningfield | 691 c89-91GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 41: 41: Before Clause 18, insert the following new Clause— ““Membership of Tra...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I assume the error was made by whoever typed up the written notes: ““6”” and ““4”” can look similar....
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with what I think the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, is trying to do, but I am no...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c102GC (Link to this contribution) We will welcome you to the end. I had better come to an end here. While welcoming the creation of a ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c112GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is the case. I hope that that offers some reassurance.
Baroness Andrews | 691 c114GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient time for the Committee to adjourn until next Tuesday at 3.30 pm. The Commi...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c114GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withd...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c114GC (Link to this contribution) As we have just heard, Amendment No. 57 removes the duty on the Mayor to have regard to any guidance...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c113-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57: 57: Clause 22, page 24, leave out lines 5 to 7 The noble Baroness said: P...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c113GC (Link to this contribution) By all means, but I am not the one who matters; at the end of the day, this legislation is for every...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 691 c106-7GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak about these amendments in general because there is a whole heap of them. I half suppor...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c105GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I see that there may be some advantages in having this dual rol...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 691 c108GC (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister at all concerned, as I am, that the list of determinants might mean that the Mayor f...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c109GC (Link to this contribution) Health inequalities are very wide, and I know that we have had lots of discussions in our borough ab...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c111GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to respond very warmly to the debate that we have just had. The Government would like ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Before Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— ““Budget (1) Schedu...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c64GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for all the contributions on this amendment. None of them surprised me much, except, p...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c64-5GC (Link to this contribution) A very considerable amount but not all of it. I am sure that the noble Lord would be the last to sup...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c66-7GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. It concerns a matter discussed by the Assembly; its Members would unanimous...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 691 c87GC (Link to this contribution) That means 520,000 people. But the amendment says, "““10 per cent of the number of electors who vote...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c87GC (Link to this contribution) I did make an error. The amendment refers to, "““the minimum number of electors entitled to vote””."...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c84GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord does so, perhaps between this stage and the next, the noble Baroness, Lady Gar...
Lord Sheikh | 691 c85GC (Link to this contribution) I certainly believe that the Olympic Games event is an exceptional case. If we were to hold an elect...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c83GC (Link to this contribution) The suggestion clearly has more of a history than I anticipated, and I congratulate the noble Lord, ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c77-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause— ““Directions by the ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c76GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it comes from cynicism born of experience, but I do not see the realpolitik in the same way ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c75-6GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right; that is why I have readily accepted an invitation to discuss the matter wit...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c99GC (Link to this contribution) I support both noble Lords. I am aware that the Government are sensitive about their toes being trod...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c99-100GC (Link to this contribution) I hope I can offer noble Lords some reassurance. The regional director for public health in London, ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c100GC (Link to this contribution) New Section 309A uses the term ““officer””. It states: "““There shall be an officer to be known as t...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for giving me the opportunity to clarify the points that I am trying to make. Th...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c95-6GC (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a special adviser to the board of Transport for London. I might have been a...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c92-3GC (Link to this contribution) In establishing Transport for London, a major concern was to ensure that the board was able to drive...
Lord Berkeley | 691 c87GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may probe the noble Baroness a bit further. The amendment refers to, "““10 per cent of the...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 691 c87-8GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may intervene before the noble Baroness attempts to answer that. I am not particularly wor...
Baroness Andrews | 691 c88-9GC (Link to this contribution) I shall do my best to distinguish between principle and detail because there are issues relating to ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c103-4GC (Link to this contribution) I missed what may have been the most important part of my note. I wanted to take the opportunity to ...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c104GC (Link to this contribution) I am not having a good day today. People are quietly picking holes in my amendments and how they are...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I assume that the reference in new Section 309A should be to Section 67 not Section 47 of the Act. S...
Lord Tordoff | 691 c102GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise, but my replacement has not turned up.
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 691 c109GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has picked up the key question. The idea of producing a final draft could have be...
Baroness Hanham | 691 c109GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says. I presume that this amendment will not reappear now that it has been ...
Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 691 c110-1GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, have been sent the six-page briefing and I will also spare the Committee most of it. In any ...
Baroness Hamwee | 691 c112GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. I, for one, would not like to be told by the Mayor how to live my life to t...

Subjects

Accountability
Civil servants
Health
Finance
Elections
Licensing
Greater London
Greater London Authority
Functions
Local government
NHS
Membership
Public appointments
Olympic Games
Mayor of London
London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority
Taxis
Visual impairment
Transport
Regulation
Safety
Transport for London
London Transport Users' Committee
London Development Agency
Pedicabs

Legislation

Greater London Authority Bill 2006-07

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