Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill
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Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 19-En also published.
Tuesday, 5 December 2006
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Tuesday, 5 December 2006
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
I was anticipating that the noble Baroness would argue that it would be more appropriate for the cou...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c285-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I found the arguments of the noble Baroness, Lady Turner of Camden, persuasive, as, indeed were the ...
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Lord Razzall | 688 c289GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 84:
84: Clause 9 , page 8, line 15, at end insert—
““( ) A court before which ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c286-7GC (Link to this contribution)
All the amendments in this group are concerned with ensuring that organisations convicted of the new...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c294GC (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is that that is a matter for administrative arrangements within the CPS. The papers...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c294GC (Link to this contribution)
May I press the Minister at little further? If there was a possibility of a prosecution against the ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c294GC (Link to this contribution)
There is a problem here—is there not?—that many Members of the Committee will be troubled by. Despit...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c290GC (Link to this contribution)
These are very sensible amendments. If we are serious about changing behaviour, the potential sancti...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 688 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
I am disappointed by the Minister’s reply, but I shall consider carefully what he said. I shall almo...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c294-5GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can take the Minister to a slightly different tack. I would have great confidence in the D...
Lord Razzall | 688 c295-6GC (Link to this contribution)
Of course, like other noble Lords, I was not in any way impugning the independence or integrity of t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, for moving the amendments in the very fair ...
Lord Lee of Trafford | 688 c301GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and Amendment No. 95.
Amendments Nos. 96 and 97 would extend t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c282-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for his words and reflections on the passage of the Bill...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c281-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 80:
80: Clause 9 , page 8, line 10, leave out ““(““the relevant breach””)””
T...
Lord James of Blackheath | 688 c284-5GC (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, consider a possible variation to this principle? There is caus...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c284GC (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to have got here to speak to Amendment No. 89, and somewhat lucky to have done so. I brie...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 83:
83: Clause 9, page 8, line 15, at end insert—
““( ) An order under subsect...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c288-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. There seems to be a fair measure of agr...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 688 c289GC (Link to this contribution)
Before my noble friend proceeds further, will she deliver an encomium—or whatever it is—on the sugge...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c289GC (Link to this contribution)
Yes. That is what the wording says—well I believe that that is right; that is a point to consider. I...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 688 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
Why would it be necessary to reconvene the specific court that considered the original case? Am I no...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c294GC (Link to this contribution)
Well, I take the noble Lord's point, but the history of how the DPP has operated has shown that we c...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c290-1GC (Link to this contribution)
The first limb of the noble Lord's amendment seeks to reduce the likelihood of a convicted organisat...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c300-1GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 95:
95: Clause 22 , page 14, line 8, at end insert—
““( ) in any place outside...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c295GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord makes a case and puts an argument with which we do not ultimately agree. The way in w...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c297-8GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may make a brief point. The amendment is couched in terms of the limitation period provide...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 688 c298GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very much obliged to the noble Lord for drawing attention to this fact. In many civil cases, th...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c308GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, for anticipating my words. I can read between...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c306GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Lord for paying tribute to us for giving this matter some thought. H...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
Oddly enough, this is probably an area best left to the judges, partly because the circumstances, in...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c307GC (Link to this contribution)
I understand where the noble Lord is coming from. During my political life I had to deal with a case...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c306GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the noble Lord knows that we often express sympathy for amendments, and sometimes sup...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c283GC (Link to this contribution)
I am. I do. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
[Amendments Nos...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c285GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord raises a most interesting point. Perhaps I may answer him in two, or possibly three, ...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c287GC (Link to this contribution)
I think that the noble Lord is progressing from Amendment No. 89, on which I wish to comment. It doe...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c287-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, for his elucidation. Clearly, we will need to refl...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c293-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 15 stipulates that the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions, or the DPP for Norther...
Lord Razzall | 688 c291-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his quasi-positive response. When we talk about longer term considerations,...
Lord Razzall | 688 c292GC (Link to this contribution)
I suppose from the Government’s point of view this is really a yes or no answer on whether they are ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 688 c296-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 93:
93: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause—
““Limitation of proc...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c297GC (Link to this contribution)
I find the arguments of the noble and learned Lord very persuasive indeed, and I support the amendme...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 688 c303-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I thought that that last peroration by the noble Lord, Lord James, was very grand, and I am sure tha...
Lord James of Blackheath | 688 c302-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I wholly agree with the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, that this would be best left to the judges. The...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 688 c307GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister finally sits down, it should be said that a good deal of sympathy is a two-way s...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 688 c306-7GC (Link to this contribution)
That was a fascinating response. I think that the Minister is saying that nothing has happened in th...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 688 c281GC (Link to this contribution)
Welcome to the fourth day of the Bill. I am sorry that we have been moved to this Room, but health a...
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