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2005-06

Deposited Paper HDEP 2006/096
Thursday, 9 February 2006
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Baroness Noakes | 677 c387GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that and I shall not prolong this conversation. I shall read his comments c...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c388GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I had probably not absorbed the PMG’s Statement as a government commi...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c388GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for raising this point. It is a practical matter, a fair point and one wi...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c391GC (Link to this contribution) I gave notice that I intended to oppose the Question that Clauses 3 and 4 stand part of the Bill to ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c384GC (Link to this contribution) New Section 4C(2) enables regulations to be laid which, among other things, relate to the payment an...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c382GC (Link to this contribution) My point was that no one adviser does the whole lot. The process is so dispersed that the whole amou...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c382GC (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness not accept that, if retrospection could apply only to the date of the announ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c378-81GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 4, 9, 10, 15, 20 21, 26 and 31 would limit regulations made under the powers in the ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c403GC (Link to this contribution) If I may. I am grateful to the noble Baroness. To be clear, I will go back to the PMG’s Statement. F...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c385-6GC (Link to this contribution) New Section 4C(3) allows for consequential changes in respect of backdated class 1 liability introdu...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c387GC (Link to this contribution) That is right in terms of tax legislation, but this will prevent the need for new primary legislatio...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c386-7GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. We only refer to the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Com...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c393GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32:"Page 13, line 1, leave out ““including”” and insert ““but not””" The noble ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c392GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a reasonable point, and I shall consider it.

Baroness Noakes | 677 c390-1GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I think that he appreciates that my purpose in tabling the amen...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c373-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. It was helpful in drawing the distinction between the decisions...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c374GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Minister says. Is that sufficient justification for retaining this power? It would s...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c384-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for those comments. I look forward to receiving a copy of the letter. I make ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c382GC (Link to this contribution) That is largely what has happened—major bonuses have been paid to people in the City and it is often...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c381GC (Link to this contribution) It is important to understand that such regulations can come forward only in consequences of retrosp...

Lord Newby | 677 c381GC (Link to this contribution) On how many occasions since the present Chancellor took office has a significant government proposal...

Lord Skelmersdale | 677 c381GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister follows a line of thought that I often used when I had the fortune to be a Minister in ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 677 c377-8GC (Link to this contribution) I wandered into Second Reading on a subject that I confess I knew very little about. It is therefore...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c374GC (Link to this contribution) I draw the noble Baroness’s attention to subsection (11), which says that the redetermination and op...

Lord Newby | 677 c408GC (Link to this contribution) I wish that I had as much faith as the noble Baroness that in two years this legislation may not be ...

Baroness Thomas of Walliswood | 677 c410GC (Link to this contribution) That concludes the Committee’s proceedings on the Bill. The Committee adjourned at twenty-seven min...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c395GC (Link to this contribution) As the Minister knows, we all keep files of cuttings from Hansard for use at later dates. That was a...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c396-7GC (Link to this contribution) I completely understand why the Government want to keep the disclosure regime running parallel with ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c397GC (Link to this contribution) Let me try again on this, because I would not want to represent what the provision is trying to do. ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c406GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Newby, that I was aware of the imperfec...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c406-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39:"Page 15, line 29, at end insert—" ““(2) Subject to subsection (3), this ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c405-6GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I should start by emphasising that there is no black hole in the public finances. The Govern...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c402GC (Link to this contribution) It is a very long time since I have practised anything remotely resembling tax law. Will the Ministe...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c401-2GC (Link to this contribution) The proposed new clause seeks to introduce an advanced clearance procedure—which could be both costl...

Lord Newby | 677 c400-1GC (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with the amendment, because what concerned me earlier was the thought that the ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c397-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I want to help the Minister out of hot water, but I beg leave to withdraw the ame...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c398GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36:"Page 15, line 17, leave out ““132A(4)”” and insert ““132A””" The noble Baro...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c387GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Baroness will forgive me, that was not what I said. Any parliamentary timetable is cons...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c387GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has come clean on the fact that the Government will not find time for the proper parlia...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c392-3GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Newby, has in effect said what I would have said. I gave notice of my intention...

Lord Newby | 677 c392GC (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Baroness and the noble Lord for that exchange, because I could ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c370-1GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Of course in due course I shall withdraw the amendment, because...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c371-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 2, line 9, at end insert—" ““( ) Nothing in subsection (2) shall a...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c374GC (Link to this contribution) Our concern is that by pressing matters through an appeals process, in which HMRC would clearly be i...

Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 677 c367GC (Link to this contribution) Before I put the Question that the Title be postponed, I remind your Lordships of two points of proc...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c367-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 1, line 17, leave out ““appears to the Treasury to be expedient,”” and i...

Lord Newby | 677 c369GC (Link to this contribution) It is always nice to start a discussion in Committee on a quasi-philosophical basis; I was intereste...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c374-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 2, line 14, leave out ““2nd December 2004”” and insert—" ““(a) 2nd D...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c397GC (Link to this contribution) I am in danger of getting into hot water on this and raising a hare that should not be running. Ther...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c396GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 34 and 35 would restrict the ability of the disclosure regulations for national insu...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c394GC (Link to this contribution) The facility for the original arrangements and agreements was to deal with the fact that, where tax-...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c406GC (Link to this contribution) I presume that they will be available via the normal annual reports that are issued by HMRC. Perhaps...

Lord Newby | 677 c404-5GC (Link to this contribution) As a general principle, we tend to support this kind of amendment. A concern that we often have is t...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c406GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister say something about the availability to the public record of the post-implementati...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c403GC (Link to this contribution) I understand what the Minister says about the Bill being constrained by human rights’ legislation. I...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c403-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause—" ““REPORT TO PARLIAMENT ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c399-400GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 37:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause—" ““ADVANCE CLEARANCE (1) ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c398-9GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply, which I might have predicted. At the heart of the issue is that...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c387-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 5, line 11, after ““applies”” insert—" ““(a) a Minister of the Crow...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c389-90GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11:"Page 5, line 12, after ““be”” insert—" ““(a) published by the Treasury f...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c391-2GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can help the noble Baroness with her inquiries into these matters. The purpose of Clau...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c390GC (Link to this contribution) What the noble Baroness seeks to achieve will happen in practice, but the amendment is unnecessary. ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c394GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. He explains the rule, as it has been explained in another place. We s...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c393-4GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments are intended to limit the application of Clauses 5 and 6. The effect of that limitati...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c372-3GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for moving the amendment and raising this issue. Before I deal with the s...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c369-70GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness and the noble Lord for their contributions to the debate. It is an intere...

Lord Newby | 677 c384GC (Link to this contribution) I notify the Committee that I have received a letter from the Minister—I do not know whether the nob...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c385GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8:"Page 3, leave out lines 32 to 38." The noble Baroness said: In moving Amendm...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c382-3GC (Link to this contribution) I do not know how much that would be at risk, because I do not know how good the disclosure regime w...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c383-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7:"Page 3, line 20, at end insert—" ““( ) any purpose relating to the paym...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c381-2GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Skelmersdale and the noble Lord, Lord Newby, have more than adequately poured s...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c381GC (Link to this contribution) I suspect, not often. That does not negate the process, does it? That always happens the year there ...

Lord Newby | 677 c377GC (Link to this contribution) Like the noble Baroness, we accept through slightly gritted teeth the concept of retrospection in th...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c374GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I was not aware that in another place Ministers had explicitly said t...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c408GC (Link to this contribution) As this may be my last appearance at the Dispatch Box this afternoon, I thank the noble Baroness, La...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c408-10GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot pretend that the Minister’s answer is a great surprise to me. I say to the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c395GC (Link to this contribution) I shall just deal with that point, because that has been a bit of a recurring theme this afternoon. ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c395GC (Link to this contribution) This is going to come back to whether we are talking about only artificially contrived avoidance, wh...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c395-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 34:"Page 13, line 38, after ““information”” insert ““to the Commissioners for He...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c397GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that further explanation, which I think that I have understood. I ...

Lord Newby | 677 c405GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Committee, because it is my mobile phone that is causing such absolute mayhem. I ...

Baroness Noakes | 677 c402-3GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister, and I would be grateful if he would send me further information. I thank the n...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c402GC (Link to this contribution) I will try to give an outline, but it may be helpful if I followed up and wrote to the noble Barones...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 677 c398GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 36 seeks to ensure that all regulations made under the national insurance disclosure p...