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High Speed Rail (West Midlands-Crewe) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 9 November 2020, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Vere of Norbiton.
Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 22 agreed to. New clause debated and withdrawn. Clauses 23 to 58 agreed to. New clauses debated and withdrawn.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

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Session

2019-21

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Proceeding contributions

Lord Adonis | 807 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Adonis

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 18, at end insert—

“( ) The comm...

Lord Adonis | 807 cc338-342GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to start the Committee stage of the Bill. On behalf of all noble...


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Lord Bradshaw | 807 cc341-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Adonis. I was in the House when h...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 807 cc343-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would probably be quite difficult to find two people who think more differently abou...

Lord Liddle | 807 cc344-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say how much I agree with the sentiment expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Ado...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 807 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

After the next speaker, I will call the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, who is present in the Grand Co...

Lord Haselhurst | 807 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I must pray for your indulgence, as a Member of your Lordships’ House who has no...

Lord Berkeley | 807 cc346-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Select Committee and the chair for the report. At least two colleagues who ...

Baroness Randerson | 807 cc347-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the principle behind this amendment. We need a clear statement from the Gover...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 807 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in general, we view the amendment favourably. It seems to have two points to it. The fi...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 cc349-351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, for tabling

t...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 807 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received no requests to speak after the Minister.

Lord Adonis | 807 cc351-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all colleagues who have spoken, and to the Minister for replying to the debate. ...

Lord Adonis | 807 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

She can? Is it now the firm intention of the Government to split phase 2b and to have separate Bi...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Adonis, will know that because the hybrid Bills sometimes prove so challengi...

Lord Adonis | 807 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

I was not aware that the Government had stated that it was now their policy. The Minister has sai...

Lord Adonis | 807 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say to my colleagues and friends who lead local authorities and are MPs for constitue...

Lord Adonis | 807 cc353-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Is it not? It is the Commons? It is so confusing. What that means is that the east Midlands—which...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

She would like to very briefly come back. I will not take a shedload of waffle from the noble Lor...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 807 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

We cannot have a debate. To clarify the procedure: if the proposer of an amendment, in their wind...

Lord Adonis | 807 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

I sense the mood of the Grand Committee. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 807 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to clarify again: if the proposer of an amendment, in their winding-up remarks, raises a que...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 807 c355GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 2. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to s...

Baroness Randerson | 807 c355GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

2: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Randerson | 807 cc355-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is very much a probing amendment, designed to give the Minister the opportunity to...

Lord Liddle | 807 c356GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. I have enormous sympathy for what the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 807 c356GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to see huge, wholescale changes made to the high-speed rail programme but ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 807 cc356-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like, first, to thank the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, and the noble Baroness, Lad...

Lord Adonis | 807 c357GC (Link to this contribution)

I agree with everything that the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, has just said. I would just a...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 807 cc357-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I generally support this amendment, which is really about tone.

The noble Barones...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 cc358-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, for tabling this important amendment. As sh...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 807 c359GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have received no request to speak after the Minister, so I call the noble Baroness, L...

Baroness Randerson | 807 cc359-360GC (Link to this contribution)

I very much thank noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I was particularly pleased that the...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 807 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 3. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to s...

Lord Berkeley | 807 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

3: Clause 49, page 20, line 44, at end insert—

“( ) A TW...

Lord Berkeley | 807 cc360-3GC (Link to this contribution)

This is very much a probing amendment so that we can have a debate about the role that Transport ...

Lord Adonis | 807 cc362-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was having some difficulty following the arguments of my noble friend. He could of co...

Lord Liddle | 807 cc364-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much agree with what my noble friend Lord Adonis has just said and disagree with...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 807 cc365-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for his kind words when he spoke in support of hi...

Lord Bradshaw | 807 c367GC (Link to this contribution)

I say simply that I accept entirely the arguments advanced by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Ho...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 807 c367GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to admit that I barely understand this debate. I did my best to research it and ...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 cc367-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought that the noble Lords, Lord Adonis and Lord Liddle, did a very good job of mak...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 807 c368GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have had no requests to speak after the Minister, so I call the noble Lord, Lord Berk...

Lord Berkeley | 807 c368GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. This was a probing amendment. I shall...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 807 c368GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but I am sure that he can hear that a Divi...

Lord Berkeley | 807 cc368-370GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. I had not intended this to be somethi...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 807 c370GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we come now to the group beginning with Amendment 4. I inform the Committee that it is ...

Lord Berkeley | 807 c370GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

4: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clause—

“Qu...

Lord Berkeley | 807 cc370-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after I put this amendment down, it was slightly taken over by events in the form of an...

Lord Blencathra | 807 cc371-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I perfectly understand the need for the Committee to have a break and a stiff drink aft...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 807 cc374-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, our break has given me time to absorb the wise words of my noble friend Lord Blencathra...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 807 cc376-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as the chairman of the Woodland Trust, as previous noble Lords ha...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 807 cc378-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in awe of all the previous speakers. I acknowledge their huge experience in and kn...

Lord Liddle | 807 c379GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make a couple of brief points. First, it is important that there is some sche...

Lord Adonis | 807 cc379-380GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with everything my noble friend Lord Liddle just said. As a former member of th...

Baroness Barker | 807 c380GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the noble Lord, Lord Framlingham. No? Perhaps we can come back to the noble Lord. I call t...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 807 cc380-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I endorse everything that the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, said, based on his experience as...

Baroness Barker | 807 c381GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Framlingham, will have to unmute himself in order to join us. If he cannot u...

Baroness Randerson | 807 cc382-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments deals with accountability, including a special report on ancie...

Baroness Barker | 807 c383GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I call the next speaker, the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe.

Lord Framlingham | 807 c383GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Committee hear the noble Lord, Lord Framlingham, now?

Baroness Barker | 807 c383GC (Link to this contribution)

No, we will take the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe.

Baroness Barker | 807 c383GC (Link to this contribution)

We will come to you after the Minister. If you were ready then to make a short speech, I think th...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 807 cc383-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the position that we take on HS2 is unambiguously to support it, therefore I am not see...

Baroness Barker | 807 c384GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the next speaker, Baroness Vere of Norbiton.

Baroness Barker | 807 c384GC (Link to this contribution)

No, Lord Framlingham, you will speak after the Minister, so you will be the next speaker after th...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 cc384-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Berkeley and Lord Tunnicliffe, for their amendments in th...

Baroness Barker | 807 c386GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received requests to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Framlingham, and t...

Lord Framlingham | 807 cc386-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that your Lordships can now hear me. I speak in support of Amendments 4 and 9, p...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 c387GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for his comments. I believe I covered all the issues he raised in my earl...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 807 cc387-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make two brief points. I really do object to the way the noble Lord, Lord Adonis...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 c388GC (Link to this contribution)

I think my comments still stand. What the noble Baroness has outlined highlights the importance o...

Lord Berkeley | 807 cc388-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to wind up the debate on these amendments. I thank all noble Lo...

Baroness Barker | 807 c389GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 5. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...

Earl of Lytton | 807 c389GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Lytton

5: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clause—

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Earl of Lytton | 807 cc390-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now move from natural landscapes and habitats to the man-made ones. Before I go any ...

Lord Berkeley | 807 cc392-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened carefully to the explanation by the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, of the pro...

Lord Haselhurst | 807 cc394-5GC (Link to this contribution)

The last thing I would want to argue against is a fairness regime for dealing with compensation. ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 807 cc395-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, on his 14-and-a-half-minute masterclass on ...

Lord Adonis | 807 cc396-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, that I am not at all impugning her integrity; ...

Baroness Barker | 807 c397GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the next speaker, the noble Lord, Lord Framlingham.

Lord Framlingham | 807 c397GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope this time noble Lords can hear me.

Lord Framlingham | 807 cc397-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, for her kind remarks. Sadly, I am...

Baroness Randerson | 807 c398GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, with his great expertise, has made a detailed case for the...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 807 cc398-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an interesting debate. My amendment was tabled to make sure that these im...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 807 cc399-401GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very good and occasionally somewhat detailed debate; I will certainly b...

Baroness Barker | 807 c401GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received no requests to speak after the Minister so I call the noble Earl, Lord Lytton.

Earl of Lytton | 807 cc401-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister and all noble Lords who spoke on these amendments. I am particular...

Baroness Barker | 807 c404GC (Link to this contribution)

That concludes the work of the Committee this afternoon. The Committee stands adjourned. I remind...

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