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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill

Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 15 to 20 agreed to. Schedule 20 agreed to.

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793 cc1697-1759 

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2017-19

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Home Office

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Counter-terrorism and Border Security Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 12 September 2018
Bills
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Second legislative scrutiny report: Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 10 October 2018
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-fifth report.
Wednesday, 17 October 2018
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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) fourteenth report.
Wednesday, 24 October 2018
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Deposited Paper DEP2018-1138
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Tuesday, 20 November 2018
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Monday, 26 November 2018
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Paddick | 793 c1697 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

42: Clause 16, page 20, line 2, after “controls)” insert —

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Lord Paddick | 793 cc1697-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 42 is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames. ...


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Baroness Hamwee | 793 cc1698-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again on behalf of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, I have Amendments 64 and 65 in ...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1699 (Link to this contribution)

We have Amendment 65A in this group. I shall speak to it briefly. Paragraph 1(4) of Schedule 3 st...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1700 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Government’s position on Amendments 42 and 46. In a report of July 2013, The Terror...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1700 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord reminds us about the draft code of conduct. It spells out considerations that rela...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 793 c1700 (Link to this contribution)

I support the words of the noble Lord, Lord Anderson. As long as these powers are restricted to t...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1700-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have raised a number of important issues relating to the ports ...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1703 (Link to this contribution)

On Amendment 65A, as I understand it, the Government are not arguing that the amendment in any wa...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1704 (Link to this contribution)

Because they are implicit in the Bill and, I guess, Schedule 7.

Lord Paddick | 793 c1704 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. Perhaps rea...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1704 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

43: Clause 16, page 20, line 9, at end insert “committed on the...

Lord Paddick | 793 cc1704-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 43 I shall speak also to Amendments 44 and 45 in my name and that o...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c1705 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 43, in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Paddick and Lord Marks of Henley-on...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1705-7 (Link to this contribution)

As the third person to be not legally qualified to respond to this, I thank both noble Lords for ...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1707 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend responds, as I recall, the draft code of practice has provisions on giving...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1708 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am always conscious of the Plain English society when I say some of the things that I...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1708 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the explanation that the noble Baroness has given. Obviously, Schedul...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1708 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will, although I resent being compared to the noble Lord’s mother.

Lord Paddick | 793 c1708 (Link to this contribution)

It has nothing to do with age at all. At this point, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1708 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

47: Schedule 2, page 29, line 5, leave out paragraph 2

Baroness Hamwee | 793 cc1708-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 18, which has just been agreed, and Schedule 2 amend existing powers to retain f...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1709 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what my noble friend Lady Hamwee has said. The report of the Joint Committee ...

Lord Woolf | 793 c1709 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene here only because—like the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee—I am a member of the...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1709-1712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for tabling this amendment and I unde...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Biometrics Commissioner’s response does not seem to go to the question of oversight...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

48: Schedule 2, page 29, line 29, leave out sub-paragraph (4...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 48 to 53 would remove the proposed extension of national security determinat...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support these amendments. Other than for the convenience of senior po...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 793 c1713 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is perhaps worth reflecting on the fact that when the whole issue of retention came ...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1713-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for explaining that the amendments se...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1714 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Minister said on the previous amendment, these amendments have to be read with t...

Lord Rosser | 793 cc1714-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

53A: Schedule 2, page 38, line 17, at end insert—

“_(1) A ...

Lord Rosser | 793 cc1715-6 (Link to this contribution)

Much of this Bill is about the appropriate balance between liberty and security in the present cl...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1716-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, has explained, this amendment would provide for a perso...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that reply. Reference was made to the arrangements under PACE and the fa...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 793 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Howe of Idlicote

54: Clause 19, page 21, line 19, at end insert—

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 793 cc1720-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment proposes that those who refer an individual for assessment under the Chann...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 793 cc1721-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I support the basic intention behind my noble friend’s amendment, but I will in ...

Lord Stunell | 793 c1723 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, for giving me such full attention in her ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c1723 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 19 provides for a local authority to have the power to refer a person who is vulnerable to...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1723-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, for explaining her amendment. It might be helpful if I beg...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 793 c1724 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister, and to all noble Lords who have taken part in this ...

Lord Stunell | 793 c1725 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stunell

55: Clause 19, page 21, line 19, at end insert—

“( ) Afte...

Lord Stunell | 793 cc1725-6 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 55 relates to the recording of information about those who are referred into the system...

Lord Sheikh | 793 cc1726-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will talk about the Prevent strategy in greater detail when we discuss Amendment 57. ...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1727 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend. I do not know whether he used the words “confidence”, “trust...

Baroness Barran | 793 c1727 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to clarify one point. I believe that the information about the difference in referral...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc1727-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 55 and 56 in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Paddick and Lord Stunell, se...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1728-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall start by addressing Amendment 55. I wholeheartedly agree with the noble Lord, L...

Lord Stunell | 793 c1729 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who contributed to the debate, and I particularly thank the Min...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1730 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

57: Clause 19, page 21, line 25, at end insert—

“( ) A...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 cc1730-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 57 is another amendment that I am moving on behalf of the Joint Committee on ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 793 c1731 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness has managed successfully to provoke me on to my feet. Could she give her view ...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1731 (Link to this contribution)

I would have denied the expertise in any event. I shall not go into what I have visited but I hav...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 793 c1731 (Link to this contribution)

I promise to intervene only once more. Has the noble Baroness had cited to her projects—and will ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 793 c1731 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have visited several Prevent schemes and I have heard from people who are deeply mist...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 cc1731-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot cite schemes but I do not think that undermines my argument because Prevent is...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 793 cc1732-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have attached my name to this amendment because it is an issue that goes to the heart...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 793 cc1733-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with great respect to the noble Baroness who has just spoken, we should put the record ...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 793 cc1734-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will comment briefly on this important subject. I was the director-general of MI5 in ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 cc1735-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. The independent review of terrorism law in this country dates ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 793 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether the noble Lord includes me among the chattering classes, but I forgive him ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard echoes of mistrust within this Chamber today from a number of noble Lords, so I do ...

Lord Sheikh | 793 cc1736-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make some comments relating to the Muslim community in the United Kingdom. Th...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 793 c1737 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening with great care to what the noble Lord has said—he obviously has great know...

Lord Sheikh | 793 c1737 (Link to this contribution)

These comments have been made to me in general. What I am trying to say to your Lordships’ House ...

Lord Stunell | 793 cc1737-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment proposed by my noble friend Lady Hamwee, and I see it as being ...

Baroness Barran | 793 c1740 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak very briefly to this amendment. It is an understatement to say that noble...

Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon | 793 c1740 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak as a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights. Most of what I was going to...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc1740-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 57A, tabled by me and my noble friend Lord Rosser, is similar to Amendment 57...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1741-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may start with a statement about our common values. A comment was made at the...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1743 (Link to this contribution)

Since the Minister mentioned Assistant Commissioner Basu and what he had to say about the Prevent...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1743 (Link to this contribution)

This has been an interesting debate. I do not think anyone other than the Minister has opposed th...

Lord Marlesford | 793 c1745 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marlesford

58: After Clause 20, insert the following new Clause—

...

Lord Marlesford | 793 cc1745-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 58, which is a very simple and, I hope, practical amendment, I am n...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 793 c1747 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord’s amendment does not refer to what he described in his speech as the “ot...

Earl Howe | 793 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Marlesford for again setting out his arguments in...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

That is very kind. It is my fault. I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, was going to jump...

Earl Howe | 793 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

Once again, I thank my noble friend for the amendment. As he will recall, in 2010 the Conservativ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 793 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister referred to some terror attacks early on in his contribution. Would he accept that, ...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 793 c1748 (Link to this contribution)

If the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, how would the Americans have had their DNA?

Lord Campbell-Savours | 793 c1749 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that two of the terrorists were known to the American authorities: at the time they ...

Earl Howe | 793 c1749 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Manningham-Buller, has made a very pertinent point in this con...

Lord Marlesford | 793 c1749 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is that at this stage I will withdraw the amendment. It is, I believe, a totally valid...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1749 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

59: After Clause 20, insert the following new Claus...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 cc1750-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that all noble Lords will agree that it is unjust to expose a person to prose...

Lord Judge | 793 c1751 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very simple really, is it not? We spent time in Committee rightly debating the pr...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 793 cc1751-2 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, support the amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, said, the criteria for proscript...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendment. If, as other noble Lords have suggested, organisation...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 793 c1752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too support the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Anderson. There is no known s...

Lord Pannick | 793 c1752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I find it shocking that the Home Office should be contin...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 793 c1752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment—looking around, it would be almost eccentric not to. The ...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1752 (Link to this contribution)

I will listen to what the Minister says in response to the amendment, but from what I have heard ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1752-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is never nice to stand up and feel defeated on a matter. I shall outline the various...

Lord Pannick | 793 c1754 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness. Her argument appears to be that there is a power to app...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1754 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not entirely sure. They are different procedures. I shall write to the noble Lord ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 cc1754-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. While she is writing to the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, could she pe...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

They could have done. I do not know whether or not it is a consolation, but they could have done....

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 793 c1755 (Link to this contribution)

Unless you are saying that it should be deproscribed because it is actually doing good work and c...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 cc1755-6 (Link to this contribution)

The first part of that would not conflict with Clause 1, but the second part of that statement wo...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the flattering words with which the Minister began and overwhelmed by...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1756 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

59A: After Clause 20, insert the following new Clause—

“Co...

Lord Rosser | 793 cc1756-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the effect of this amendment is to insert a new clause into the Bill which would make i...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1757 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although I agree with the amendment in principle, I have a couple of issues with it. Fi...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 793 c1758 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in sympathy with the idea behind the amendment but I fear that the noble Lord, Lor...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1758 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all three noble Lords for their points on the European arrest warrant and our f...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1758 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply and other noble Lords for their participation in this brief de...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 793 c1759 (Link to this contribution)

I said to the Committee that that aspect of security co-operation was absolutely vital, and there...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1759 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that clarification. This short debate has been useful; one thing it has ...

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