Haulage Permits and Trailer Registration Bill [HL]

My Lords, I will restrain myself except to pick up a point raised by the noble Earl, Lord Attlee....

My Lords, in answer to my noble friend the Minister, my trailers weighs 27,000 kilos, not 3,500 k...

I rise briefly to support the amendment moved by my noble friend. The Explanatory Notes on Clause...

With respect, if we could not have a response from the Minister last time, for procedural reasons...

The noble Lord certainly can speak on clause stand part.

Then perhaps the Minister will be kind enough to reply to the points I made earlier when, in my v...

I apologise. I thought I covered that in my response. We do not think there should be a mandatory...

Moved by

Lord Bassam of Brighton

18: Clause 13, page 9, line 7, at end insert—

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My Lords, this amendment follows on from Amendment 16. Basically, I am asking the Government to i...

My Lords, I am in a little difficulty on aspects of this, as I was saying to my colleagues before...

My Lords, I apologise for starting to get worried that the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, was not going...

My Lords, when I was 17, I owned a motor car which was six years older than I was. It was in the ...

Perhaps I could speak again, because I have been reflecting on what was said. There is another wa...

Since we are in declaring-interest mode, I, too, used to have a trailer a few years ago. It is th...

I did not know about that; I did not know it existed. Knowing the noble Lord’s former constituenc...

The noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, makes a good point about the size of the trailer. Trailers...

The difference of course is that one is more likely to be a commercially operated trailer as agai...

Desperate although we are to hear from the noble Baroness, and I know that she is equally despera...

My Lords, I cannot sit still any longer. I have listened carefully to the debate. For the avoidan...

My Lords, I, too, would hate to be left out of this debate. I have been driving for 65 years and ...

On a note of personal explanation, I am seized of the risk of trailers: there is clearly a strong...

I was the Opposition Front Bench spokesman for transport in your Lordships’ House; if I was in th...

I thank noble Lords for taking part in this debate. First, I will cap the stories of the noble Lo...

The Minister gave us a figure for the number of accidents. I wonder whether she could look at the...

Absolutely, I have that information here. Trailer and caravan-related collisions accounted for 2%...

But that does not tell us what happened or give us the explanation for the accident. It may well ...

Yes, absolutely. We will look further into it and see what other data we can find.

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords who have supported this amendment. I am disappointed b...

Moved by

Lord Tunnicliffe

19: Clause 14, page 9, line 24, leave out “may require or a...

My Lords, in moving Amendment 19, I shall speak also to Amendment 20. These two amendments say in...

If it is about fixing the certificate to the trailer there will be a danger that that can be easi...

My Lords, I am going to enjoy this because I am going to be extremely mischievous. A moment ago m...

My Lords, I will take the opportunity to reassure all noble Lords that once the scheme is operati...

My Lords, I think that that was a satisfactory answer and I will read it with care. I hope it boi...

Moved by

Lord Tunnicliffe

21: Clause 21, page 13, line 4, at end insert—

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My Lords, in moving Amendment 21, I will speak also to Amendments 24, 25 and 27. This group and t...

My Lords, as the chairman of the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee, I am delighted...

My Lords, my Amendment 23 is an attempt to tackle the issue in a parallel manner. It takes on boa...

My Lords, I have no idea why your Lordships keep banging on about affirmative orders and want eve...

I recall the noble Earl saying similar things last time, but he knows as well as I do that the pr...

On the precautionary principle, the problem I have is that we are using precious time to debate t...

I will try smiling at my noble friend to see if he may back down slightly. I admit that there are...

Oh!

I know some Members of this Committee will be reassured by that.

All we are saying is: let ...

My Lords, my noble friend is the expert. When I made observations about procedure and so on, was ...

Sorry, I do not follow my noble friend.

My Lords, I suggested that the only difference between a negative order and an affirmative one wa...

Before the noble Lord answers that, I have a question. I know he was never the noble Earl’s Chief...

In my time as Chief Whip in the other place, I tried to model myself on Lord Dixon, whose style I...

My Lords, my noble friend is very helpful. I cannot conceive how any regulation under this Bill w...

My Lords, we proposed this amendment to stimulate this sort of debate. We felt that the recommend...

My Lords, I recognise and fully welcome the point that appropriate scrutiny should be given when ...

My Lords, in the light of the Minister’s response, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Moved by

Lord Tunnicliffe

22: Clause 21, page 13, line 4, at end insert—

“( ) N...

My Lords, I refer once again to the report from the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Commit...

My Lords, my Amendment 28 in this group is to Clause 23. It provides a sunset clause which would ...

My Lords, I have some sympathy for the noble Baroness’s amendment. I have general concern about A...

To clarify, the reason for this is that with most Bills we pass here, the Government believe that...

The amendment I have in this group is just to tease out when the Secretary of State might bring f...

My Lords, this debate relates to the previous group of amendments, although the Government’s view...

Have I missed something? Has an estimate been made of what the registration fees are going to be?...

We do not have an exact estimate for the registration of trailers at the moment, although obvious...

Could we be given some idea of what the fees will be by Report? The figures will certainly influe...

We will do our best. We have examples of existing similar schemes and we are talking about figure...

Finally, and more broadly on the same issue, the registration scheme will be a one-off registrati...

It will be a one-off registration scheme unless the trailer is sold or subject to change of use. ...

So effectively the trailer will have a form of log book. A log book is used to register changes o...

Perhaps I may help my noble friend. I refer to the V5 registration document that presumably the t...

Yes, it would follow the same information that is contained in that log book, but in order to do ...

The reason I am trying to get these things on the record is that they will influence the debate o...

I fully understand that and will send the noble Lord more details on it. To go back to the fee, a...

My Lords, I will study the Minister’s response with care and decide whether to bring forward anyt...

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

26: Clause 21, page 13, line 8, at end insert—

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My Lords, I will be brief on this amendment. The DPRRC report mentioned that the Government have ...

My Lords, to cut my contribution short, I shall quote from page 8 of the Explanatory Memorandum:<...

My Lords, the noble Baroness raises an important point. I am not sure we should have a list in pr...

My Lords, Ministers and officials in my department have been engaging with stakeholders on an ong...

My Lords, in that list of the great and the good, the most obvious omission was touched on in the...

Before the Minister answers, if she amended the construction and use regulations, would she consu...

My noble friend makes a very good point as always. No, we would not consult trade unions unless i...

In view of the Minister’s response, I am happy to withdraw the amendment.