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Children and Social Work Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 4 July 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage second day. Amendments discussed. Clauses 1 to 3 agreed. New clause (Lords amendment 75) debated and withdrawn.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

773 cc93-162GC 

Session

2016-17

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Children and Social Work Bill (HL) 2016-17
Thursday, 19 May 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 15 June 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Geddes | 773 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as is my duty on these occasions, I must advise the Grand Committee that if there is a ...

Lord Warner | 773 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

29: Clause 1, page 2, line 4, at end insert—

“( ) In disch...


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Lord Warner | 773 cc93-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I want to put Amendment 29 in context. I see it as part of a package relating to...

Earl of Listowel | 773 cc94-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support this amendment. I do so because it reminds me of my experienc...

Lord Ramsbotham | 773 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, rise to support the noble Lord, Lord Warner, in his amendment and particularly ...

Lord Beecham | 773 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support the noble Lord’s amendment. He said that other bodies might be involved ...

Baroness Pinnock | 773 cc95-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I support what the noble Lord, Lord Warner, proposes in this amendment. Before I make the next re...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 773 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have great sympathy with what the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock, said. We all work wit...

Bishop of Durham | 773 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support this amendment. I apologise for not being here for day one but at Second...

Earl of Listowel | 773 cc96-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Very briefly, I recognise the concerns expressed by the noble Baroness. So much money might be sa...

Lord McNally | 773 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can see that the Minister is straining at the leash to answer this amendment. I make ...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 cc97-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. I am happy to signify my support f...

Lord Nash | 773 cc98-100GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I respond, I am sure noble Lords will be interested in the documents that my dep...

Lord Warner | 773 cc100-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened very carefully to the Minister. Before responding, perhaps I may say that he...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, casting back to the Children Act 2004, one agency ...

Lord Warner | 773 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Ramsbotham | 773 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ramsbotham

30: Clause 1, page 2, line 11, at end insert—

“( ) A l...

Lord Ramsbotham | 773 cc101-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 30 I shall also speak to Amendments 32, 44, 57, 63, 65, 67 and 69, ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 773 cc104-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 30, 32, 40, 44, 46, 57 and 63, to which I have added my nam...

Baroness Walmsley | 773 cc105-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 35 in this group but I also support the amendments in the names of the...

Lord Farmer | 773 cc106-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 39 in this group, tabled in my name and those of my noble an...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 773 cc108-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to Amendment 39, to which my name has been added. It says it all that ...

Earl of Listowel | 773 cc109-110GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Farmer, spoke effectively about the fundamental importance of rela...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 cc110-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to their amendments the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, and other noble Lords ...

Lord Storey | 773 cc111-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendments 30, 32, 38 and 57. I wonder why the issue of person...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 773 c112GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I say a word on Amendment 32, it is extremely interesting how, as on the first d...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 773 cc112-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate and start by addressing Amendments 30...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c115GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may ask a quick question about SEN thresholds. I understand that recent legis...

Lord Ramsbotham | 773 cc115-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that reply, as I am to all those who have taken part ...

Baroness Wheeler | 773 c116GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wheeler

41: Clause 2, page 2, line 41, at end insert—

“(2A) A...

Baroness Wheeler | 773 cc116-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, our Amendments 41, 42 and 45 to Clause 2 and Amendment 54 to Clause 3 aim to make the l...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 773 cc119-120GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 98A in this group in my name. This is about the universal cre...

Earl of Listowel | 773 cc120-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendment 47 in this group. Many noble Lords will recognise that adolescence is a...

Lord Wills | 773 cc121-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support Amendment 74A, to which I have added my name. I draw your Lordships’...

Baroness Pinnock | 773 c122GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened carefully to the strong case made by the noble Baroness, Lady Wheeler, ...

Lord Wills | 773 c122GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness will understand how sympathetic I am, sitting on this side of the Committee. W...

Baroness Pinnock | 773 c122GC (Link to this contribution)

When I spoke at Second Reading, I made a plea for the Government to consider shifting money to ea...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 773 c123GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I urge the Minister not to make this provision too prescriptive. Good local authorities...

Lord Nash | 773 cc123-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to the group that includes Amendments 41, 43, 45, 47, 51, retabled as Ame...

Lord Wills | 773 c125GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand the force of what the Minister is saying and the Committee will be grateful for his ...

Lord Nash | 773 cc125-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I was about to say something about data which I hope will satisfy the noble Lord. If it does not,...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c126GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response and particularly for what he said about keepi...

Lord Ramsbotham | 773 c126GC (Link to this contribution)

I noticed that the Minister has kindly arranged a meeting with Mr Brokenshire, the Minister in th...

Baroness Wheeler | 773 cc126-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response and for undertaking to look at the New Belongings...

Lord Wills | 773 c127GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wills

52: Clause 3, page 3, line 42, leave out “on request”

Lord Wills | 773 cc127-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all the amendments in my name in this group aimed to fulfil the ambitions of the Bill b...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 cc128-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill as drafted places responsibility on the young person to request advice and sup...

Lord Warner | 773 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I briefly support Amendments 52, 53 and 54. These have echoes of the debate we had on m...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 773 cc129-130GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add one sentence because I clearly heard the Minister say that there would be young p...

Lord Storey | 773 c130GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came to this Committee looking at the amendment thinking “No”. Young people themselve...

Earl of Listowel | 773 cc130-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I support Amendments 52, 53 and 74A. I was most grateful for the Minister’s encouraging reply on ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 773 c131GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say a word about personal advisers. The first thing we have to look at is who...

Lord Nash | 773 cc131-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Wills, Lord Watson and Lord Hunt, for tabling this group ...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 c132GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister rather peremptorily dismissed the arguments advanced by other noble Lords and me on ...

Lord Nash | 773 cc132-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that we are arguing about anything here. It seems to me obvious that, to take the ...

Lord Warner | 773 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister seems to be praying me in aid as somehow opposed to the amendment advocated by the n...

Lord Nash | 773 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

I fully understand that; I am sorry if I created some confusion.

Lord Wills | 773 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to everyone who has taken part in what I thought was a useful s...

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 773 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top

61A: Clause 3, page 4, line 18, after “needs,...

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 773 cc135-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, those of you who have heard me speak on previous Bills will know that this is something...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 773 cc136-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Armstrong, particularly on Amendment 61A, but also in wh...

Earl of Listowel | 773 cc137-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure the Grand Committee is very grateful to the noble Baroness for tabling these ...

Bishop of Durham | 773 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I feel that I could already write the Minister’s response by saying that of course thes...

Lord Warner | 773 cc138-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support Amendments 61A and 71A in particular and draw the Minister’s attention ...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 773 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for being unavoidably unable to come to the first day of Committee. I shoul...

Baroness Pinnock | 773 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a very interesting and informative debate on this subject. I do not wish to...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 773 cc139-140GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a persuasive debate. We have already had the evidence that my noble frien...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 773 cc140-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. Although I see the inten...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her careful and thoughtful response, but I have a couple...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 773 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to write to the noble Earl with more detail and will circulate the letter to other Pee...

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 773 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. She talked about the intent of the amendments being...

Lord Warner | 773 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

73: Clause 3, page 5, line 16, at end insert—

“( ) In maki...

Lord Warner | 773 cc143-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a probing amendment on an issue of great concern to me: safeguarding young peop...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 773 cc144-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I obviously support what the noble Lord, Lord Warner, has said, although I am not going...

Lord Storey | 773 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important probing amendment. I now understand why it is in this grouping and...

Bishop of Durham | 773 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to express not dissimilar concerns to the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth. I firmly...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c146GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much appreciated the 1992 report of the noble Lord, Lord Warner, Choosing with C...

Lord Wills | 773 cc146-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, this is a complex and difficult issue. I have huge sympathy with what...

Lord Nash | 773 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Warner, for his amendment and the points that he, the ...

Lord Warner | 773 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and everyone else who has spoken in this debate. I could ...

Baroness Walmsley | 773 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Walmsley

75: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Walmsley | 773 cc148-150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 75 and shall speak to Amendment 135 in my name. Amendment 75 pu...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 773 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 76, which is a probing amendment. Given the hour and the c...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly in favour of Amendments 75 and 135. It would be very helpful if t...

Lord Ramsbotham | 773 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 135, and the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, has alrea...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I omitted to say that there seems to be a real issue in the United States, France and t...

Baroness Wheeler | 773 cc151-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 75 and 135 have been comprehensively argued and we have a great deal of symp...

Lord Nash | 773 cc153-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baronesses, Lady Walmsley, Lady Bakewell and Lady Pinnock, the noble L...

Earl of Listowel | 773 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and for what he said about child impact assessments ...

Baroness Walmsley | 773 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken to this group. I will not say much bec...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Watson of Invergowrie

77: Clause 4, page 5, line 28, after “parents” in...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 cc156-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments, in the name of myself and my noble friend Lord Hunt, are to the claus...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 773 cc157-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 86, which seeks to ensure that formerly looked-after children rece...

Lord O'Shaughnessy | 773 cc158-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 78, which relates to Clause 4, which inserts, under the head...

Lord Storey | 773 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to Amendment 86. The noble Baroness, Lady Massey, has been a worthy champion of PSH...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 773 cc159-161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 77 to 79 and 86 concern educational support for formerly looked-after childr...

Lord O'Shaughnessy | 773 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to prolong the sitting, I am very reassured by what my noble friend said about looked-...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 773 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to write to my noble friend on that.

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Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 773 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everyone who has participated in the debate and the Minister for her largely po...

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