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Children and Families Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 21 October 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. New clauses, debated and withdrawn. Clauses 12-14, agreed to. Schedule 2, as amended, agreed to. Committee adjourned.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

748 cc285-334GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Children and Families Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 12 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Legislative Scrutiny: Children and Families Bill; Energy Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee third report with formal minutes and written evidence.
Tuesday, 18 June 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report.
Wednesday, 24 July 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Ninth Report.
Wednesday, 9 October 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

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Deposited Paper DEP2013-1715
Tuesday, 29 October 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Northbourne | 748 c285GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Northbourne

56: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Northbourne | 748 cc285-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having been swept away at the end of the previous session, I now have the opening say-s...


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Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc286-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, for tabling this amendment. I, of course, agr...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c287GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 56 in the name of my noble friend Lord Northbourne, and regret that...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc287-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the principle behind the noble Lord’s amendment. In Section 3(1) of the...

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 748 cc288-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the overall aim of the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, that the Bill should add...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 748 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am particularly glad that the debate on the probing amendment moved by my noble frien...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 748 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in a personal capacity I very much support this amendment. I have been an officer to th...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc289-290GC (Link to this contribution)

I may be a lone voice here but, much as I agree—who cannot agree?—with the essence of what the no...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c290GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may say that I had no intention of saying that it was right for young men—or older men—...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c290GC (Link to this contribution)

May I, too, just say that while I agree that all my noble friend spoke of is vital if we are to c...

Lord Ramsbotham | 748 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, both my heart and my head are with my noble friend Lord Northbourne on this. One of the...

Baroness Benjamin | 748 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment, and I want to make a case for qualified play therapists...

Lord McNally | 748 cc291-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have come to expect with this Bill, the amendments are thoroughly debated and rais...

Lord Northbourne | 748 cc293-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I shall be delighted. I think that it was 27 years ago that I found myself trying to persuad...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Northbourne

57: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Northbourne | 748 cc294-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in a child’s life there are two periods of rapid brain development. The first is during...

Lord Colwyn | 748 c296GC (Link to this contribution)

I will put the question and then we will adjourn for 10 minutes. We will return at 4.27 pm.

Lord Colwyn | 748 c296GC (Link to this contribution)

I think that we will make a start. I had just put the question, the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne,...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c296GC (Link to this contribution)

Although perhaps I did not make it clear when I was speaking, it is in a way obvious that my two ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc296-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, for tabling this exciting amend...

Lord Ramsbotham | 748 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

I, too, lend my support to the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, and will link what I am going to say...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 748 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to underline the important point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Massey...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 c298GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, and I congratu...

Baroness Benjamin | 748 c298GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. There is something close to my heart that noble Lord also sup...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c298GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise very briefly to support this amendment, and to ask for it to be looked at in a broader con...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c299GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the reasons already given, which I will not repeat, I, too, support this amendment....

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 748 c299GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was intending to support Amendment 57 when we spoke earlier on Amendment 56. However,...

Lord McNally | 748 cc299-300GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again thank all contributors to this debate. As the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, said, ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c300GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt but is the Minister aware that the recent Ofsted report on personal, soci...

Lord McNally | 748 cc300-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am aware of that. Our PSHE review concluded in March 2013 and found that the existing guid...

Lord Northbourne | 748 cc301-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister and his advisers for all that information, particularly becaus...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c302GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

58: Clause 12, page 10, leave out lines 40 to 4...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 cc302-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on a slightly different subject, Amendments 58 and 59 deal with child arrangements orde...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc303-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely support what lies behind what the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, has said. Amen...

Lord McNally | 748 cc304-6GC (Link to this contribution)

If there is anything likely to chill the marrow of a non-lawyer Minister, it is the noble and lea...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c306GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not believe that I have the right now to withdraw my amendment because it was grouped with t...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c306GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to say I was beginning to feel very disappointed in the Minister’s response until he said ...

Lord McNally | 748 c306GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

61: Schedule 2, page 141, line 43, at end insert—

“Legal ...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc307-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for asking for this clause stand part debate quite late in the day, without giving no...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 748 c308GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg the noble Earl’s pardon for interrupting, but the Division bell is ringing. The Committee w...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c308GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the conclusions arising from the important research of Dr Julia Brophy are:

“(a) ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc308-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Since this issue has been raised, I am going to jump on the bandwagon just to say that very diffi...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 748 cc309-310GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is terribly important that this debate is kept in perspective. The noble and learned...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Tyler, and the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, ...

Lord McNally | 748 cc310-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I should make it clear from the start to the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, that we...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc311-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. I am most gr...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

62: Clause 14, page 13, line 15, after “issued”...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 cc312-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 62 and 63 concern the issue of time limits for court proceedings. We very mu...

Baroness Benjamin | 748 cc314-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name down to this amendment because the NSPCC has raised huge concerns wi...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c315GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret to say to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, that I do not agree with her amendme...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 748 cc315-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand the intention behind the amendment, particularly in terms of promoting the best inte...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 748 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not briefed by the NSPCC but I have a brief from the Magistrates’ Association, whi...

Lord McNally | 748 cc316-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, for her interventio...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc318-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I briefly pay tribute to the Government. In the past week I met District Judge Crichton...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the support of the noble Baroness, Lady Benjamin. I do not want anyone to be ...

Lord McNally | 748 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness was asking about how the extensions would work in practice. The request to ext...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that the Minister has shed much light on things. I am now even more confused. Surel...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 748 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lloyd of Berwick

64: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 748 cc320-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is concerned with the standard of proof in care proceedings. I am consci...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 748 cc321-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I said that the two questions posed by Section 31 should be capable of being answered w...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 748 cc323-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment as strongly as I may. The critical consideration to keep in min...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 748 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as an amateur and a non-lawyer, I hope that the Government will be able to accept the n...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 cc325-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make just a couple of remarks. First, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lor...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not a practising lawyer either but I was a social worker of long standing. I want ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc326-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely sad to have to disagree with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd. I a...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

It is not being suggested that the children should be taken away. The suggestion is whether we ar...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that in my experience as a family judge, speaking perhaps as the only family judge ...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 748 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the risk of lowering the tone of this extraordinarily learned exchange, in the churc...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 748 cc328-331GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had the responsibility of producing Clause 31 as it was, now Section 31, of the 1989 ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 748 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

Neither the noble and learned Lord nor I were Family Division judges, but another Family Division...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 748 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Baroness, Lady Hale, made it perfectly plain that the case that was set up ...

Lord Storey | 748 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to speak to this amendment. I have followed the debate with great inter...

Lord McNally | 748 cc331-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may follow my noble friend Lord Storey because he encapsulates a lot of why t...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 748 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has indicated that this matter will come back on Report, so I do not inten...

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