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Charities (Protection and Social Investment) Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills and Legislative Grand Committee proceedings (HC) on Tuesday, 26 January 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Matt Hancock. The answering members were Rob Wilson and Anna Turley.
Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question. Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings on Report, in Legislative Grand Committee and on Third reading. Agreed to on question. Report stage. New clause 1, discussed with new clauses 2 to 5, and amendments, debated and withdrawn. New clause 3 negatived on division (236 to 280). Amendment to clause 1 negatived on division (196 to 280 - note that this was incorrectly recorded as 196 to 208 in the Vote). Some amendments made. Report stage completed. Sitting suspended for Speaker's consideration of his certification of the Bill. On resuming the Speaker announced his certification. House resolved itself into the Legislative Grand Committee (England and Wales). Consent motion agreed to on question. Occupant of the Chair left the Chair to report the decision of the Committee. Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, decision reported. Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed, with amendments.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

605 cc167-240 

Session

2015-16

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Anna Turley | 605 c168 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 605 cc168-170 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Disposal of assets—<...


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Anna Turley | 605 cc170-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak today on behalf of Her Majesty’s Opposition about this, my first Bill. ...

Barry Sheerman | 605 c171 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on her excellent speech. I am a trustee of many charities; one of t...

Anna Turley | 605 cc171-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right; that is why we support the Bill and the powers it gives to th...

Peter Kyle | 605 c172 (Link to this contribution)

It has been stated numerous times that the Charity Commission often sees itself as a partner in t...

Anna Turley | 605 cc173-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. It is clear that when the Charity Commission w...

Rob Wilson | 605 c175 (Link to this contribution)

It might helpful if I clarify one of points that the hon. Lady raised about the power to direct. ...

Anna Turley | 605 cc175-6 (Link to this contribution)

That is very helpful indeed. I really appreciate the Minister being so quick and forthcoming with...

Kelvin Hopkins | 605 c176 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with what my hon. Friend is saying, but the level of owner-occupation is declining becaus...

Anna Turley | 605 cc176-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. We know that home ownership is falling and, as...

Kelvin Hopkins | 605 c177 (Link to this contribution)

Even those who support the sale of council houses and of housing association properties say that ...

Anna Turley | 605 cc177-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It has been apparent throughout the proceedings on the Housin...

Mark Field | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

On new clause 2, the hon. Lady made a case about charities’ ancient rights. She will be well awar...

Anna Turley | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

On the contrary, it was the gagging Act that rode roughshod over the historic rights of the chari...

Peter Kyle | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an incredibly powerful point. This is about freedom of speech for everyone—e...

Anna Turley | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. He pays tribute to the charities that do some of the most imp...

Susan Elan Jones | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly mystified by some of the comments about so-called political activity. We are talkin...

Anna Turley | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. As she has ably demonstrated, charities have a long-establish...

Wendy Morton | 605 c178 (Link to this contribution)

Use of such terms can seem a little bizarre, but does the hon. Lady not agree that charities can ...

Anna Turley | 605 c179 (Link to this contribution)

It is quite clear that the charitable sector felt that the 2014 Act prevented them from being abl...

Wes Streeting | 605 c179 (Link to this contribution)

Part of the problem is the use of the word “political”. Before the introduction of the gagging la...

Anna Turley | 605 c179 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I think the problem was that the Government felt challenged. ...

Mark Field | 605 c179 (Link to this contribution)

No one minds scrutiny. We are very happy to have bodies that want to engage in political lobbying...

Anna Turley | 605 c179 (Link to this contribution)

Would not the right hon. Gentleman agree, therefore, that for a charity that is picking up the pi...

Robert Jenrick | 605 c179 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to relive arguments that were heard in Committee, but the only example that was given ...

Anna Turley | 605 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised that the hon. Gentleman has a problem with negative behaviour—I am afraid that it ...

Susan Elan Jones | 605 c180 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the big problem that people had was that they did not like the idea of dodgy lobbyists giv...

Anna Turley | 605 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point about the strength of feeling in the sector.

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 605 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I share the concerns of the hon. Member for Clwyd South (Susan Elan Jones). Does the hon. Member ...

Anna Turley | 605 cc180-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point and I thank him for that contribution. I will make so...

Maggie Throup | 605 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that under new clause 3, the hard-earned money that people donate to charities would be sp...

Anna Turley | 605 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised that the hon. Lady presumes to know what people want to happen when they donate mo...

Kelvin Hopkins | 605 c181 (Link to this contribution)

To reinforce that point, many people support and donate to such charities precisely because they ...

Anna Turley | 605 cc181-2 (Link to this contribution)

I completely share my hon. Friend’s view and am grateful for his supportive intervention.

C...

Anna Turley | 605 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I am nearly at the end of my speech, so I will finish.

The lobbying legisl...

Lord Garnier | 605 cc182-5 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Redcar (Anna Turley) on her first speech from the Dispatch Box...

Mark Field | 605 c185 (Link to this contribution)

We probably know more about Roman law than trust law from our time at university, but as I recall...

Lord Garnier | 605 cc185-8 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, I need to take my right hon. Friend around with me in a knapsack, particularly when I am...

Wes Streeting | 605 cc188-190 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to reaffirm some of the concerns expressed in Committee that ha...

Lord Garnier | 605 c189 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman angling for an invitation to the Market Harborough Conservative club?

Wes Streeting | 605 cc189-192 (Link to this contribution)

What a kind invitation. Were the Conservative majority in Harborough slightly more marginal, I wo...

Mark Field | 605 cc192-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak after the hon. Member for Ilford North (Wes Streeting). I do not agree ...

Paul Flynn | 605 c193 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman acclaim that the greatest triumph of the big society was the work of its ...

Mark Field | 605 cc193-4 (Link to this contribution)

As a matter of fact, I believe it was called Kids Company, not kids society. She was an individua...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 605 cc194-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to speak in the debate. I hope not to detain the House too long. Let me first con...

Maggie Throup | 605 c195 (Link to this contribution)

I oppose new clause 3, because it seeks to alter fundamentally the way in which charities have hi...

Peter Kyle | 605 c195 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady not agree that the way in which a charity collects and spends its money in ord...

Maggie Throup | 605 cc195-8 (Link to this contribution)

I understand where the hon. Gentleman is coming from, but I believe that new clause 3 will encour...

Susan Elan Jones | 605 cc198-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to speak in today’s debate. We often have wonderful debates in this place ...

Wendy Morton | 605 c200 (Link to this contribution)

I join the hon. Member for Clwyd South (Susan Elan Jones) in thanking the many charities that do ...

Wendy Morton | 605 c200 (Link to this contribution)

I am normally very generous in giving way, but I have almost come to the end of my speech, so I w...

Peter Kyle | 605 c201 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to be called to speak in this debate and to follow the hon. Member for Al...

Andrew Gwynne | 605 c201 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an important point. All of us as Members of Parliament will from time to...

Peter Kyle | 605 cc201-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important point, and it has been illustrated well in this debate. The right hon. and l...

Paul Flynn | 605 cc204-5 (Link to this contribution)

Charitable ends can never be justified by uncharitable means. Terrible revelations were made last...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc205-6 (Link to this contribution)

Before getting into the detail of the proposed amendments, I would like to make a few quick point...

Mark Field | 605 c207 (Link to this contribution)

Given my earlier contribution, the Minister may recognise that I am slightly concerned about the ...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc207-210 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend need not worry about the Charity Commission imposing its will on charities; ...

Peter Kyle | 605 c210 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister join me in congratulating the charity Unlock on working with the right hon. Gen...

Rob Wilson | 605 c210 (Link to this contribution)

I can see the trap that the hon. Gentleman is setting for me, and I am not going to walk into it....

Lord Garnier | 605 c210 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his very welcome assurances. I much look forward to the discussions th...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc210-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. and learned Friend for those kind words. We will certainly work very closel...

Mark Field | 605 c212 (Link to this contribution)

It is important that the Minister reflects that that was a manifesto commitment—even some of us o...

Rob Wilson | 605 c212 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the noble Lords along the corridor will have listened carefully to my right hon. Friend...

Anna Turley | 605 c212 (Link to this contribution)

To take up that point, the right to buy affects charities, and we are debating charities legislat...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc212-3 (Link to this contribution)

The Opposition are obviously entitled to propose whatever amendments they want as long as they ar...

Wes Streeting | 605 c213 (Link to this contribution)

I can only think that the Minister has not been listening to the debate this afternoon or in Comm...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc214-5 (Link to this contribution)

What the hon. Gentleman says is quite extraordinary. We had this debate in Committee. It was quit...

Lady Hermon | 605 c215 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will know that people in Northern Ireland give generously to charities. Regrettably,...

Rob Wilson | 605 c215 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is right that the Bill has been certified as England and Wales only. Northern Irela...

Lady Hermon | 605 c215 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister does not seem to grasp the point. There are national charities across the UK, of whi...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes her case strongly, and it is absolutely right that she should do so here in t...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 605 c216 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the Minister recognises the comments that the hon. Member for North Down (Lady Hermon) ...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

The representatives for Scotland were at the fundraising summit recently. This is a devolved matt...

Anna Turley | 605 c217 (Link to this contribution)

For the sake of colleagues, I will be brief. I thank everybody for their contributions this after...

John Bercow | 605 c226 (Link to this contribution)

Consideration completed. I will now suspend the House for about five minutes in order to make a d...

John Bercow | 605 c226 (Link to this contribution)

I can now inform the House of my decision about certification. For the purposes of Standing Order...

John Bercow | 605 c227 (Link to this contribution)

Even a nod from a Whip would suffice, but instead we have the full throttle of ministerial words....

Natascha Engel | 605 c227 (Link to this contribution)

I remind hon. Members that although all Members may speak in the debate, only Members representin...

Lady Hermon | 605 c227 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Ms Engel. I make this point of order with a heavy heart, but I feel duty-bou...

Natascha Engel | 605 c227 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is aware that it is up to the Minister to move the motion formally or to speak to i...

Lady Hermon | 605 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Ms Engel. I am grateful for that clarification, even though my vote, if we w...

Edward Leigh | 605 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I can reassure the hon. Member for North Down (Lady Hermon) that the Procedure Committee, of whic...

Matt Hancock | 605 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I will respond briefly to the comments of the hon. Member for North Down (Lady Hermon). She asked...

Lady Hermon | 605 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for allowing me to intervene. I want to make the point—I am sorry t...

Matt Hancock | 605 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Of course the hon. Lady is entitled to represent the views of her constituents, which is precisel...

Lady Hermon | 605 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want this to become a one-way conversation, but I have to say that I do not think the pe...

Matt Hancock | 605 c229 (Link to this contribution)

It is self-evident that if the issues in the Bill relate to England and Wales, as they do, the Bi...

Simon Hoare | 605 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Chairman. Like my hon. Friend the Member for Gainsborough (Sir Edward ...

Natascha Engel | 605 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that point of order. I remind the House that we are discussing the...

Matt Hancock | 605 c230 (Link to this contribution)

All I would say is that the decision on the consent motion is, quite rightly, Mr Speaker’s.

Natascha Engel | 605 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I remind hon. Members that if there is a Division on the consent motion, only Members representin...

Edward Leigh | 605 c230 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the point of order made by my fellow member of the Procedure Committee, my hon. Friend...

Natascha Engel | 605 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman. That point has been noted.

The occupant of the Chair left the C...

Matt Hancock | 605 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

Charities are at the very heart of...

Lady Hermon | 605 c231 (Link to this contribution)

I am genuinely grateful to the Minister for allowing me to intervene on him again. In the light o...

Matt Hancock | 605 cc231-4 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely—we will certainly make contact with the Northern Ireland Assembly to ensure that we ca...

Anna Turley | 605 cc234-6 (Link to this contribution)

It has been an absolute privilege to serve on behalf of Her Majesty’s Opposition on the considera...

Maggie Throup | 605 cc236-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to speak today on the Third Reading of this very important Bill. The Bill will pro...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 605 c238 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to sum up briefly on behalf of the SNP. I hope that the hon. Member for North Down...

Tom Tugendhat | 605 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the House’s indulgence to speak about somebody who has done an amazing amount for charities...

Rob Wilson | 605 cc239-240 (Link to this contribution)

The House will be pleased to know that I intend to keep my comments brief—I had a long session a ...

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