Postal Services Bill. Lords report stage first day. New clauses debated.
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Postal Services Bill. As amended in Committee. (Lords Minutes)
Wednesday, 6 April 2011
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Wednesday, 6 April 2011
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Lord Jenkin of Roding | 727 c505 (Link to this contribution)
Lord Jenkin of Roding: My Lords, I listened to the noble Lord with some interest, but I should have ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 727 c556 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the link-up with the Post Office is one of the most exciting innovations for the credit un...
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Earl Attlee | 727 c557-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, since he arrived in your Lordships’ House the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, has spoken passion...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 727 c558 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for his response; he has provided some reassurance. I shall return ...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c558 (Link to this contribution)
50: Clause 11, page 6, line 29, at end insert—
““( ) In subsection (2)(b) the reference to postal se...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c558 (Link to this contribution)
53: Clause 11, page 7, line 5, at end insert—
““( ) A Post Office company’s duties under this sectio...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c558 (Link to this contribution)
54: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—
““Annual report on postal museum collection an...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c559 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful for being guided on the procedures of the House and grateful to my nobl...
Baroness Drake | 727 c559 (Link to this contribution)
56: Clause 17, page 10, line 16, at end insert—
““( ) Before making an order under subsection (1)(c)...
Lord De Mauley | 727 c561-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Drake, for giving us another opportunity to discuss the v...
Baroness Drake | 727 c563-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that detailed response. I am conscious of the lateness of the hour and that...
Baroness Drake | 727 c559-61 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 56, I will also speak to Amendment 57.
I thank the noble Lord, Lord D...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 727 c556 (Link to this contribution)
47: Clause 11, page 6, line 29, at end insert ““, and
( ) until delivered, the progress of developin...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c556 (Link to this contribution)
That is all that can usefully be said at this stage, and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Ame...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c463-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the Bill reaches the statute book in its present form, in a year or so we will almost c...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 727 c465 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend’s amendment. As he rightly says, the new clause that he ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c465-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Lea of Crondall. It provides f...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c462 (Link to this contribution)
1: Before Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—
““Restriction on disposal of shares in a Royal ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c507 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support Amendment 9 in the name of my noble friend Lord Kennedy. It asks that the r...
Lord Whitty | 727 c502 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I appreciate that the noble Baroness has gone some considerable way. However, from what sh...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c501-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to respond to the noble Lords, Lord Whitty, Lord Christopher and Lord Young, on my ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 727 c505 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a similar amendment to one that I tabled in Committee. I was not convinced by the ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 727 c504 (Link to this contribution)
9: Clause 2, page 2, line 5, at end insert ““, and
( ) how the name ““Royal Mail”” will be protected...
Lord Whitty | 727 c498-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for both tabling the amendment in her name—particularl...
Lord Whitty | 727 c497-8 (Link to this contribution)
7: Clause 2, line 6, after ““company”” insert ““in relation to—
““(i) the minimum contract length fo...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c500-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we welcome the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Wilcox, and believe that it is ...
Lord Christopher | 727 c499-500 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 8. I did not move Amendment 13 because, frankly, I was confused b...
Lord Razzall | 727 c514 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not going to intervene, but because the noble Lord, Lord Low of Dalston, raised the ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 727 c514 (Link to this contribution)
If it is truth that we are concerned with, as a serious House concerned about its reputation, it is ...
Lord Empey | 727 c513 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to speak briefly. I am sure that the Minister in her response will argue tha...
Lord Whitty | 727 c513-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Rogan and Lord Laird. The Mi...
Lord Low of Dalston | 727 c511-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to the House for missing my cue at the beginning of this group but I should li...
Lord Rogan | 727 c510-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to move Amendment 15 standing in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Laird. Th...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 727 c509 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in the debate. I also thank the Minister for her r...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c509 (Link to this contribution)
I will get a note and come back to that. I will continue with my point for the moment. Amendment 55,...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c509 (Link to this contribution)
The following line is not totally transparent: "““Before preparing the report, the company must cons...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c507-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will respond to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, and then move on to Amend...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c481-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I get on to this amendment, one problem with quoting when you have the author of th...
Lord Razzall | 727 c466-7 (Link to this contribution)
I stand by the point that I made in Committee: in the current climate, it would be extremely unlikel...
Lord Borrie | 727 c466 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for not rising quickly enough for my noble friend on the Front Bench to notice...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c468 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for her courteous reply. I am obviously very pleased to have heard the th...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c467 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 1 would restrict the number of shares that can be sold in an initial public offe...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c471-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in rising to move this amendment I cannot help reflecting that last Friday the vast majori...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c471 (Link to this contribution)
2: Before Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—
““Royal Mail companies to be publicly owned
(1)...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c478 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 2 seeks to keep the Royal Mail in public ownership and reflects the position set...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 727 c477 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it was interesting to hear how the opposition Front Bench justifies the amendment. The nob...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c481 (Link to this contribution)
3: Clause 2, page 1, line 15, at end insert—
““( ) Before making a decision referred to in subsectio...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c478 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened carefully to what the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, said. I remember that occasion w...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c495 (Link to this contribution)
6: Clause 2, page 2, line 5, at end insert ““, and
(c) the objective intended to be achieved by the ...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c495-7 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 6 is intended to increase transparency in relation to any future disposal of shares in Roy...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c485 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we discussed the issue of a representative of employees serving on the board of Royal Mail...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c485 (Link to this contribution)
4: Clause 2, page 2, line 1, leave out subsection (2) and insert—
““( ) A disposal of the Crown’s in...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to what the Minister said and I welcome her assurance regarding ...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c483-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 3 and 13 seek to place additional reporting requirements on the Secretary of St...
Earl Attlee | 727 c488-91 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments covers matters relating to the employees of Royal Mail, without w...
Lord Clarke of Hampstead | 727 c487-8 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendment 36 standing in my name, dealing with trade union recognition. Again, I de...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 727 c485-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 11 in the group. Like other amendments, it requires the Secr...
Lord Skelmersdale | 727 c485 (Link to this contribution)
If the amendment is agreed, I cannot call Amendment 5, by reason of pre-emption.
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c549-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments to Clause 11 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Whitty. I...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c549 (Link to this contribution)
I shall briefly support my noble friend Lord Whitty. He has made all the key points about the import...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c550 (Link to this contribution)
However, we believe that obliging the Post Office to report against the access criteria separately f...
Lord Razzall | 727 c550 (Link to this contribution)
He has crossed the Floor.
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c547 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her contribution. It goes some way towards providing reassurances and we wi...
Lord Whitty | 727 c547-8 (Link to this contribution)
40: Clause 11, page 6, line 25, at end insert ““including reporting for the UK as a whole and separa...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c544-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as you are all very aware, post offices continue to provide a lifeline to residents in rur...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 727 c545-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, one of the best things that the Government have said in the context of the Bill is that th...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c546-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 37 seeks to impose consultation requirements on companies or people that propose...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c556 (Link to this contribution)
I will be only too happy to write to the noble Lord.
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c556 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for reading out what I have in front of me as well. I was asking whether ...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c555 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that the National Federation of SubPostmasters said in response to recent claims by the...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c555 (Link to this contribution)
I am referring to the survey conducted by an opinion research company, which was commissioned by the...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c555 (Link to this contribution)
Is the noble Lord, Lord Lea, speaking about the CWU’s recent survey on the future of the Post Office...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c555 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. However, the competitors of the Post Office may not do this, but they are not ...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c554-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 46 and 49, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lea, require the Post Office to provi...
Lord Whitty | 727 c550-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for those reassurances. Behind them is a recognition t...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c551 (Link to this contribution)
46: Clause 11, page 6, line 28, leave out ““and””
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 727 c519-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Stevenson. I do not think that there has been any conversio...
Lord De Mauley | 727 c520-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I again say that I am grateful to noble Lords on the opposition Front Bench who agree with...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 727 c520 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should have announced that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 17 d...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c536 (Link to this contribution)
19: Clause 4, page 2, line 43, after ““may”” insert ““by order””
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c521-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, for his support for the amendment, and my noble frie...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c514-6 (Link to this contribution)
I hesitate to interfere in what is obviously an important battle of words; perhaps the Minister will...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c516-7 (Link to this contribution)
I turn first to Amendment 14. As I said earlier, Ofcom will be required to report annually to the Se...
Lord Rogan | 727 c517 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank those Members who have spoken to my amendment. I have listened to the Minister and...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c517 (Link to this contribution)
16: Clause 3, page 2, line 25, leave out from ““reduced”” to end of line 35 and insert ““from 100%, ...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c517-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendments make the case for employee shares being held as a trust and for employees t...
Lord Razzall | 727 c518 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having sat through what I would describe as ““Lord Mandelson’s Bill”” under the previous G...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c543 (Link to this contribution)
28: Clause 5, page 3, line 30, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert ““proposes to make an ord...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c543 (Link to this contribution)
24: Clause 4, page 3, line 9, at end insert—
““(3A) An order under subsection (2) or (3)(b) is subje...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c544 (Link to this contribution)
37: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—
““Closure of post offices
(1) Where any compan...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c543-4 (Link to this contribution)
31: Clause 5, page 3, line 38, leave out paragraph (a) and insert—
““(a) give details of the propose...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c543 (Link to this contribution)
29: Clause 5, page 3, line 34, leave out subsection (2) and insert—
““(2) The Secretary of State mus...
Lord Haskel | 727 c543 (Link to this contribution)
If Amendment 29 is agreed, I cannot call Amendment 30 because of pre-emption.
Amendment 29
Moved b...
Lord Cotter | 727 c542 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for putting forward the government amendments, which both clarify and...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c542 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, thank you very much indeed for those contributions. The noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, was mo...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c536-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 22, 24, 28, 29, 31 and 32 in order to reflect their purpo...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c539-41 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we welcome government Amendments 19, 22, 24, 28, 29, 31 and 32. They are a very positive r...
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c543 (Link to this contribution)
22: Clause 4, page 3, line 9, after ““has”” insert ““by order””
Amendment 22 agreed.
Amendment 23 ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c556-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment. Each week something like 6.5 million visits are m...
Lord Clarke of Hampstead | 727 c506-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I thank sincerely the Minister and her team for producing Amendment 54. I am touche...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 727 c491-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his comments. I agree that these debates have allowed us to touch on import...
Lord Whitty | 727 c548-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to the earlier amendments that were previously grouped with this amendm...
Lord Haskel | 727 c545 (Link to this contribution)
I have to inform your Lordships that there is a misprint in proposed new subsection (3) in the Marsh...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 727 c553-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be brief because my noble friend Lord Lea has covered the waterfront, as they say....
Baroness Wilcox | 727 c559 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, during an earlier debate on Amendment 54 the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville,...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 727 c505-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may comment first on the amendment which has just been moved by the noble Lord, ...
Lord Rogan | 727 c509-10 (Link to this contribution)
15: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of State shall submit a report to ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 727 c551-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Clause 11 provides for the annual report on the post office network. The amendment seeks t...
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