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Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 24 February 2009, in the House of Lords.
Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage seventh day. Clauses 67 to 85 agreed to. Schedule 5 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

708 c55-116GC 

Session

2008-09

Department

Department for Communities and Local Government

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 2-EN also published.
Thursday, 4 December 2008
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that answer, which has clarified one or two points. In particular, at th...
Lord Greaves | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment 187B and the other amendments in the group, except Amendment 187C, which ...

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Baroness Warsi | 708 c70GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 72: Approval of revision by Secretary of State Amendment 178 178: Clause 72, page 48, line ...
Lord Judd | 708 c63-4GC (Link to this contribution) It is not for me to thank my noble friend for that guidance, because it is not my amendment, but I f...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her response. I am a little disappointed and I still have concerns about ho...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c84-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her detailed response. It has not been easy for me to follow the arguments,...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c88-9GC (Link to this contribution) We have a number of amendments in this group. Part 6 has been described as ““enabling”” and ““volunt...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c86-8GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 193A, 194, 194PA, 194VA, 194ZA and 195 and on the Question whether ...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c86GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 83: EPBs and their areas Amendment 183A 183A: Clause 83, page 52, line 14, leave out ““The ...
Lord Greaves | 708 c97GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister give the Committee four, five or six examples of the kind of powers she is talking ...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord asked an absolutely pertinent, central question. If government thinking has not got f...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c101-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for what can only be described as a valiant and passionate defence of economic ...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord looks at the PBR Statement, the options under consideration are set out clearly. T...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that but I think that the noble Baroness started by explaining the support that this pr...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c100-1GC (Link to this contribution) That is slightly harsh. It depends on the EPB in question. Let us assume that an EPB is set up and t...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c102-3GC (Link to this contribution) Combined authorities will be a combination of EPBs and integrated transport authorities. The noble L...
Lord Greaves | 708 c102GC (Link to this contribution) This is a fairly simple matter. I shall speak also to Amendment 194Q, which is in the same group. Th...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, which is getting clearer by the minute. My understanding is that districts could be members, bu...
Lord Greaves | 708 c104GC (Link to this contribution) I have one or two amendments in this group. They are all essentially about the same issue, which is ...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister answer the question not just as would but could? In other words: whether the power ...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, am very grateful for the Minister’s undertaking to look at the position of the districts. Th...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c108-9GC (Link to this contribution) I was not expecting that question to be asked in relation to this group of amendments, so I shall si...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c110GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 84: Constitution Amendment 184 184: Clause 84, page 52, line 35, leave out ““by order make ...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c110-1GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 185 to 188 inclusive. This group of amendments concerns the constit...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c114-5GC (Link to this contribution) The majority of people on this board will be elected members of the authorities. We are saying that ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.
Baroness Warsi | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) I think I referred to that when I said that his heart warms as I speak. I am not sure that many Libe...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c70-1GC (Link to this contribution) Following correspondence with the Minister, I do not intend to move Amendments 178, 179 or 180. Thes...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c70GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, want to refer to community involvement. Those words appear in the heading to Clause 69 but t...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c74-5GC (Link to this contribution) I have one amendment in this group. Amendment 181 would simply insert a duty to evaluate from a cost...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c64GC (Link to this contribution) I am on the lookout for centralising maniacs, but I have never noticed that tendency in the noble Ba...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c56-7GC (Link to this contribution) It is nice to be back after having had a break. The amendments that we are considering relate to Cla...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c56GC (Link to this contribution) This is the seventh day but we are not resting. My Amendment 173A builds on what the noble Baroness ...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c58-9GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 175 and 176. This group of amendments pertains to the review and re...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 708 c55GC (Link to this contribution) Good afternoon and welcome to our seventh sitting. There will not be any Divisions in the Chamber so...
Lord Greaves | 708 c78-9GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Hamwee and the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi, for speaking to the...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c80-1GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 182 was inspired by the Local Government Association, whose support and efforts the Govern...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 708 c85GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn for 10 minutes. Sitting suspended. Am...
Lord Greaves | 708 c91-3GC (Link to this contribution) ““Operates in”” perhaps. These towns act as a counterbalance to a centrifugal tendency for everythin...
Lord Greaves | 708 c90-1GC (Link to this contribution) I have three clause stand part objections in this group of amendments but, having scrutinised them r...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c93-6GC (Link to this contribution) Because of the need to make it clear to noble Lords what EPBs are about and why they are necessary, ...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the noble Lord is talking about the process of creating unitary authorities, w...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I have totally followed everything the Minister has said and all the sweetness and light in terms of...
Lord Greaves | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Smith, has just asked my first question, so I will not ask it again. I am not c...
Lord Greaves | 708 c101GC (Link to this contribution) Did the Minister say that there might be different levels of benefit in different areas?
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c103GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 183C 183C: Clause 83, page 52, line 27, at end insert ““with the participation and consen...
Lord Greaves | 708 c109-10GC (Link to this contribution) I think that I understand the answer. The board could sit either on top of all the top-tier authorit...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c111GC (Link to this contribution) I part company with the noble Baroness only on her optimistic analysis that this matter is not conte...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister for having interrupted her speech earlier when she was developing a thor...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c115-6GC (Link to this contribution) I shall not ask the Minister to respond now but in a letter which may be getting longer as we talk a...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c113GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister, but my intervention is prompted partly by what the noble Lord, Lord Gre...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c113-4GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that noble Lords will take the time to read what I have said in response to the amendments to...
Lord Greaves | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I have obviously missed something. There are obviously councillors sat around this Table lookin...
Lord Tope | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, they do—including mine, I am pleased to say.
Lord Greaves | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) To save the noble Baroness’s embarrassment, perhaps I may say that it was to her words that I was re...
Lord Geddes | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot call Amendment 187A since Amendment 187 has not been moved. Amendments 187B to 188A not mo...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c71-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi, for not moving her amendments so that we can avoid ...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c71GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments 178A, 179B and 180B all seek to ensure that modifications to the draft revision of a regi...
Lord Greaves | 708 c73GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 75: Implementation Amendment 180F 180F: Clause 75, page 49, line 28, leave out subsection (...
Lord Greaves | 708 c73-4GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 75 comes under the heading ““Implementation of strategy””. It is a short clause, which is hea...
Lord Judd | 708 c69-70GC (Link to this contribution) I was not going to intervene on the amendment but the noble Lord has rather challenged me to say a w...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c66-8GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may first respond to that point, which I can clarify. I am grateful to the noble Baroness ...
Lord Greaves | 708 c68-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make a couple of comments before the promoters of the amendments reply to what the Min...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c66GC (Link to this contribution) I speak to Amendment 177. This is, I hope, just a drafting issue. If not, it might turn out to be a ...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) I hope the Minister will take this comment in the right spirit. I do not think that the tone of what...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c58GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 68: Review and revision by responsible regional authorities Amendment 174 174: Clause 68, p...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c61-3GC (Link to this contribution) I turn first to the review of the regional strategy. I am pleased to see my noble friend in such goo...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c55GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 67: Responsible regional authorities Amendment 172B 172B: Clause 67, page 45, line 39, leav...
Baroness Maddock | 708 c82GC (Link to this contribution) I add my support to what has been said. Having been on a district council getting money from an RDA,...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c75-7GC (Link to this contribution) I shall address, first, the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Greaves. I am relieved to find ...
Baroness Maddock | 708 c77GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend responds, perhaps I may ask the noble Baroness a couple of questions. I am so...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c89-90GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for being late for the start of the Committee, but I was approving a report for the Grea...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c97GC (Link to this contribution) I will not get into that issue, with respect, because we have had some long debates both in regard t...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 708 c97GC (Link to this contribution) I will clarify. When one tries to follow the Government’s logic, one cannot help noticing that there...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c97-100GC (Link to this contribution) I have given examples of the kinds of things we can legitimately expect—for example, new skills fund...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I shall have to write to the noble Lord about what stage ITAs are at. I am not sufficiently well sig...
Lord Greaves | 708 c102GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 183B 183B: Clause 83, page 52, line 15, leave out ““prosperity”” and insert ““regeneratio...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c103-4GC (Link to this contribution) I shall give the numbers of our amendments in this large group as I go through it. The group is abou...
Lord Greaves | 708 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 183B withdrawn.
Baroness Andrews | 708 c104-7GC (Link to this contribution) I set out in some detail and at some length on the previous group of amendments how we see EPBs work...
Lord Greaves | 708 c107GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for responding, particularly on an amendment that, with all this Alpha...
Lord Greaves | 708 c111-2GC (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment 184B in this group, which is to probe Clause 84(2)(b), which states: "““The provisi...
Lord Greaves | 708 c108GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 183D 183D: Clause 83, page 52, line 30, at end insert ““, other than a non-unitary distri...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c116GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, went to the nub of the issue. I am sure that the intention behind t...
Lord Greaves | 708 c114GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell us, as a matter of principle, why local authority functions should be decided ...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) You must have missed one of the Bills.
Lord Greaves | 708 c112GC (Link to this contribution) There may be some. Are there? There are none in my experience.
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c71GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 178A 178A: Clause 72, page 48, line 15, leave out ““consult such persons (if any) as the ...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister is very persuasive, but on perhaps a slightly different point from the ones I was raisi...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c65GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 70: Examination in public Amendment 176B 176B: Clause 70, page 46, line 36, at end insert— ...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c64-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her response. I was heartened by her words about the intention of ...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c64GC (Link to this contribution) There are those who think that I am a centralising maniac—maybe not entirely—but I reassure my noble...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 176C, 176D, 176E and 180C. The clause concerns the examination in p...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I am absolutely of the same opinion. We have got a lot of work to do today but we shall do it in the...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c59-60GC (Link to this contribution) We have added our names to Amendment 175, which raises similar concerns about the Secretary of State...
Lord Judd | 708 c60-1GC (Link to this contribution) As there was a reference to me, perhaps I should intervene. I apologise for not having associated my...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c55-6GC (Link to this contribution) This amendment, it might be said, is a precautionary amendment. I am concerned about the implication...
Lord Tope | 708 c81-2GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness said, my noble friend Lady Hamwee and I have put our names to this amendment, ...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c82-4GC (Link to this contribution) The opposition amendments provide for each RDA to have the power to delegate any of their functions ...
Baroness Andrews | 708 c78GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give the noble Baroness as much information as I can. I will do that in writing; when ...
Baroness Warsi | 708 c80GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 182 182: After Clause 77, insert the following new Clause— ““Delegation by regional devel...
Baroness Hamwee | 708 c75GC (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the Minister will not see our Amendment 180G as helpful or constructive. We feel that...

Subjects

County councils
Finance
Economic planning
District councils
Local government
Pay
Membership
Planning
Public consultation
National parks
Regional planning and development
Regeneration
Unitary councils
Regional development agencies
Regional spatial strategies
Local development frameworks
Economic prosperity boards

Legislation

Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL) 2008-09

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