Local Transport Bill (HL). Lords report stage. Amendment 2C negatived on division (100 to 171). Part 1 of 2 records.
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Local Transport Bill (HL). As amended in Grand Committee.
Monday, 17 December 2007
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Monday, 17 December 2007
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1297 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
1: Clause 3, page 5, line 26, at end insert—
““( ) such organisations repre...
Earl Attlee | 697 c1302 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate, particularly the nobl...
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Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1299 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise very briefly to support what has been said by the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. These ad...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1317-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this discussion. The dichotomy of...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 697 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, would he consider this? One of the concerns that local a...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with much of what the noble Lord, Lord Snape, has said. The big enemy of bus opera...
Lord Berkeley | 697 c1316 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not delay the House too much, but there was a reception in the House of Commons las...
Lord Berkeley | 697 c1303 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, said, we di...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1335-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 43:
43: Clause 38, page 34, leave out lines 4 to 13 and insert—
““(1) Subsecti...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1333-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want simply to repeat what I said before but I have not heard anything new in the...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not entirely surprised by my noble friend’s response because I am well aware of the h...
Lord Berkeley | 697 c1325 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, do the statistics that my noble friend has just cited apply to London, where the bus servi...
Lord Snape | 697 c1325-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there are two separate answers to that. Of course, bus usage has gone up in London because...
Lord Snape | 697 c1324-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought that the noble Lord leading for the Liberal Democrats was about to intervene, so...
Baroness Crawley | 697 c1321-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:
5: Clause 13, page 14, line 24, at end insert—
““( ) In subsection (4) (mea...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think we get into a difficulty here. From the centre as a Minister, it is hard to try to...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1340-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 45:
45: Clause 40, page 35, line 33, leave out ““17(9)(a) and (b)(ii)”” and in...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1349 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 66:
66: Clause 55, page 48, line 9, after ““authority”” insert ““or Integrated...
Baroness Crawley | 697 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 65:
65: Clause 55, page 48, line 3, at end insert—
““( ) must, if the implemen...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 697 c1345 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, speaking as a recent user of these facilities, I can say that the majority of people drivi...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1351-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have not had a full discussion on these points, and I did promise in Committee to look ...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1353 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his response, in particular to Amendment No. 67. We await what...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his response. In the light of the points that he has made and ...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 67:
67: Clause 58, page 51, line 7, after ““subsidies,”” insert ““or where the...
Lord Snape | 697 c1359 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is neither technical nor whatever other word my noble friend used. I shall press him ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1357-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 77:
77: After Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—
““Power to require d...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1357 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 76:
76: Clause 66, page 56, line 23, at end insert—
““(4A) In a case where an ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1361-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 82 to 108:
82: Schedule 4, page 103, line 35, leave out ““Part 2 of””
83: ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1361 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 80 and 81:
80: Clause 67, page 57, line 12, after ““area”” insert ““in Engla...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1298 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, for once, I welcome a government amendment. While the Minister did not prescribe what leve...
Earl Attlee | 697 c1298-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2:
2: Clause 9, page 11, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) The plan must include de...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1298 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, thank my noble friend for this amendment and for giving consideration to the point...
Lord Harrison | 697 c1299-300 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support this amendment in the name of the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. He kindly rem...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1300-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I bring us back to the subject at hand, but I must say that I was very grateful to my nobl...
Lord Snape | 697 c1300 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened with interest to the debate so far on the amendment. I am fascinated that ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 697 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I have already said this afternoon, I am grateful to the Minister for broadening the du...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that that is the case, and I am happy to give that reassurance to the noble Lord...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1311-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:
4: Clause 12, page 14, leave out lines 9 to 13
The noble Lord said: My Lor...
Earl Attlee | 697 c1313-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support these amendments, which seek to remove the admissible objections operator veto f...
Lord Snape | 697 c1314-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened carefully to the debate on the amendment, which originates from the Passenger T...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1309-10 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:
3: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—
““Duty to have regard ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 697 c1310 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for having taken on board so fully the point that I made in ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1306-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for his exposition of the purpose of the amendment. As he ...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1307 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that answer. The amendment is tabled to try and make quality part...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1302-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2A:
2A: Clause 9, page 11, line 16, at end insert—
““(c) plans and strategies ...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1305 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his answer. I said in my introduction that there are a lot of l...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1303-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall wait to hear what the Minister has to say, because he will probably tell us that the guidanc...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1331-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his answer, which is obviously similar to the one that I had in C...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 31:
31: Clause 25, page 25, line 18, leave out subsection (6) and insert—
““( ...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1334-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not able to fully agree with my noble friend. Nor am I entirely sure about his last p...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1328-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this issue was debated very fully in Grand Committee; it was evident then, as it is today,...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1331 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for returning to this amendment, despite the assurances gi...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1337 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the fact that the Government are seeking to ensure that TUPE protection applies....
Lord Rosser | 697 c1322-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 8:
8: Clause 18, page 17, line 23, leave out ““proposed””
The noble Lord said...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1322 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, although they have not gone the whole way, I thank the Government for this amendment. It m...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, one of the things that I learnt from my time in local government was that there is great v...
Lord Snape | 697 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, perhaps I may take the matter a little further. While ag...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1327-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I follow that highly entertaining intervention with an apology to the House. I was confuse...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1339-40 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 44:
44: Clause 40, page 34, leave out lines 38 to 42 and insert—
““( ) volunta...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1339 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, in particular for his support for our amendments. I am...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1340 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the amendments as they will encourage bus operators to co-operate in a way that ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 697 c1342-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 64:
64: After Clause 47, insert the following new Clause—
““Wheelchair accessi...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1341-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 46 to 63:
46: Schedule 2, page 93, line 14, leave out from beginning to end ...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1345 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is also on this amendment and I give it my wholehearted support. The noble Barones...
Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde | 697 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to give my wholehearted support to this amendment. I thank the noble Lord, Lo...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for bringing forward this amendment in response to the amendmen...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we must not assume that making a report to the Integrated Transport Authorities is simply ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a matter of diaries. It is my hope that we can have some useful discussions with the...
Lord Low of Dalston | 697 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his full and considerate reply. I do not doubt for a moment his g...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1345-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am extraordinarily grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Chapman, for the way in which sh...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what does the Minister think might be achieved between now and Third Reading, which is in ...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1345 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment is supported here. I am particularly interested in the Minister’s reply on i...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 72:
72: Clause 65, page 53, line 28, leave out ““section 125B”” and insert ““s...
Lord Snape | 697 c1350-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, listening to my noble friend I am struck by the fact that he has told us continuously, on ...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 71:
71: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clause—
““Extension of grant...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when the Minister replies, I would like him to reflect as to whether the amendment will un...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Lord has explained, this is a slightly narrower version of an amendment that ...
Lord Bradshaw | 697 c1359 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Snape, said. I am a former chairman of a bus users’ bo...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1360 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 78:
78: After Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—
““Appeals to the Tra...
Lord Berkeley | 697 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for responding to our points made in Committee. I still think that...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1360 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the comments made. I heard the plea of my noble friend Lord Snape on beh...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 697 c1368 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion, I sugge...
Lord Snape | 697 c1337-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment illustrates the great problems that arise from the implementation of the qua...
Lord Rosser | 697 c1321 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure that I have had answers to many of the questions I asked. In particular, wha...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1304-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, for bringing back what one might term ...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1305-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2C:
2C: Clause 9, page 11, line 34, at end insert—
““(2C) (a) In preparing the...
Lord Hanningfield | 697 c1330-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 27A:
27A: Clause 24, page 23, line 23, leave out ““who was consulted by the au...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1360-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 79:
79: Clause 67, page 57, line 6, leave out ““9(1)(a)”” insert ““9(1)(a)(i)”...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 697 c1356-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 73 to 75:
73: Clause 65, page 54, line 37, after ““recommendations”” insert ...
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