Sustainable Communities Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on division (175 to 17). Bill committed to a Public Bill Committee.
Sustainable Communities Bill
Debate on bills on Friday, 19 January 2007,
in the House of Commons,
led by Nick Hurd.
The answering
member was Phil Woolas.
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Proceeding contributions
Tobias Ellwood | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend comment on the role of regional assemblies in the planning process? In Bournemou...
Lindsay Hoyle | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Just to let you know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Government Whips are not as effective as Mrs. Hoyle, s...
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Nick Hurd | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to both the hon. Gentleman and Mrs. Hoyle for that intervention.
I want to return to ...
Greg Clark | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend confirm that his constituents find it bizarre that while councillors can oppose ...
Lindsay Hoyle | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
May I give the hon. Gentleman some good news? Councillor Catherine Hoyle put a motion before Chorley...
Speaker | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
Order. It is Friday morning, but the hon. Gentleman should still use the correct parliamentary langu...
Lindsay Hoyle | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to let you know that—[Laughter.]
Speaker | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I shall just give the hon. Gentleman a moment to reflect before he continues.
Barry Sheerman | 455 c1043 (Link to this contribution)
I was very fond of Eric Forth, but I was not fond of the way in which he often talked out very good ...
Mark Francois | 455 c1043 (Link to this contribution)
It will take fewer than 62,000 letters.
Nick Hurd | 455 c1043 (Link to this contribution)
I am not tempted to pursue the line of inquiry recommended to me. The short answer to the hon. Gentl...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1042-3 (Link to this contribution)
I understand and respect my hon. Friend’s point. I should make clear that the Bill is not at all pre...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1043 (Link to this contribution)
I sat through many of the late Eric Forth’s speeches, as he sat through many of mine. I think that t...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1042 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted by my hon. Friend’s intervention. If he pries into the innards of the Bill, he will s...
Tim Loughton | 455 c1042 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is being very generous in giving way. In dealing with the important subject of democr...
Speaker | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am happy to allow the hon. Gentleman to respond to the intervention, but I do not want the ...
Wayne David | 455 c1072 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister makes a very good point. One of the concerns inherent in the Bill is that it puts treme...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1073 (Link to this contribution)
Staying with clause 6(1), the problem with the clause is that it is drafted on the assumption that t...
Wayne David | 455 c1073 (Link to this contribution)
Once again, my hon. Friend makes very good points.
In order to make some progress, I would like to ...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1073 (Link to this contribution)
There is provision missing from the Bill for a conciliation service for disputes between not only lo...
Speaker | 455 c1072 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I rather think that that is not directly to do with the subject of our debate, whose general ...
Wayne David | 455 c1072 (Link to this contribution)
While I am on my feet, I will simply make this point. The debate that we have had so far has been a ...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1072 (Link to this contribution)
I have studied clause 6 with particular interest. Most of us agree with the Bill’s intention, but on...
Wayne David | 455 c1073 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that that would not happen, but the scenario is unfortunately a distinct possibility. We shou...
Wayne David | 455 c1071-2 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely true. Speaking as someone involved in serious politics, I learned early on that p...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1075 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the purpose of taking interventions that, if properly answered and debated, they may obviate ...
Wayne David | 455 c1075-6 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. We are having a debate, are we not? The essence of a debate is not simply to have set-pi...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1075 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to point out that the hon. Gentleman has now been speaking for longer than I did. In the...
Wayne David | 455 c1075 (Link to this contribution)
I would point out that I have probably taken more interventions than any other Member who has spoken...
Shona McIsaac | 455 c1075 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for raising the important role of parish councils. There are approximately 8,...
Wayne David | 455 c1075 (Link to this contribution)
That is a helpful intervention. I will leave the answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Llanelli (N...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1074 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 3(1)(d) contains the Bill’s only reference to young people—"““residents under 25 years old.””...
Wayne David | 455 c1074-5 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. The youth project that I helped to establish was called Young Voice and is now called Funky...
Wayne David | 455 c1074 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend may well be right and I am sure that his point is worth considering.
One of my conce...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1073-4 (Link to this contribution)
Conservative Members laugh, but, as someone who spent 10 years on a city council and had to work clo...
Wayne David | 455 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come to the logic of that argument, which I do not accept for a very good reason.
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
I have some sympathy with that argument, but it is our job on Second Reading to flag up shortcomings...
Wayne David | 455 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
That is a fair point, although I do not intend to get side-tracked on parliamentary procedure. My ar...
David Drew | 455 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to have missed the early part of my hon. Friend’s remarks, and I am sorry that he does no...
Wayne David | 455 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
That is not made at all clear in the Bill. Running through it is an extremely bureaucratic process, ...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1068-9 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the Bill also potentially dismisses democratically elected local gove...
Wayne David | 455 c1069 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point that serves to reinforce the muddle that runs through the Bill. Th...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1069 (Link to this contribution)
Without wanting to get into the internal politics of Wales, what does my hon. Friend think would hap...
Wayne David | 455 c1069 (Link to this contribution)
That is a good question. It would be extremely unhelpful if we knew. We have seen examples in the re...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1069-70 (Link to this contribution)
A similar issue arises in relation to the London Assembly and the London Mayor, who were elected aft...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1070 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is developing an interesting line of argument. Clause 6(1) refers to a local authorit...
Dawn Butler | 455 c1070 (Link to this contribution)
We all agree that we must work to achieve safe, healthy and sustainable communities. The Road Traffi...
Wayne David | 455 c1071 (Link to this contribution)
With all due respect, I am not a lawyer; all I have is a degree of common sense. If something is sub...
David Howarth | 455 c1071 (Link to this contribution)
That is something that the Secretary of State would have to take into account in deciding to reject....
Wayne David | 455 c1070-1 (Link to this contribution)
Yes. I do not know what the solution is, because I did not draft the Bill. It would be interesting i...
David Howarth | 455 c1071 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State is empowered to do that under clause 4(3) anyway. Clause 6 is not at all uncl...
Wayne David | 455 c1071 (Link to this contribution)
With all due respect, devolution does not mean that, so let me provide an example of what it does me...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1071 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that what we have just heard is precisely what we have come to expect from...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1054 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right. The Bill particularly encourages the participation of groups who do not...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1054 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady has just made an important point. My constituency is diverse, with people from many et...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1054-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. If the Government allow the Bill to go into Committee, ...
Mark Williams | 455 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a strong case. Is not the merit of the measure its holistic approach to communi...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point, which demonstrates that people who campaign against the closure o...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that there is consensus on many of the ideas in the Local Government and Public Involvement ...
Wayne David | 455 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with many of the points that the hon. Lady has made, but given the consensual nature of the ...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
Many and varied issues were raised by people at public meetings, as they have been on the Floor of t...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
The issue of second homes is contentious in many small villages, especially in rural areas. Some peo...
Jim Dowd | 455 c1051 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s comments. The hon. Member for Ruislip-Northwood (Mr. Hurd) was ki...
David Drew | 455 c1051-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for expressing much more adequately than I can why the Bill is important and ...
Greg Knight | 455 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that this is a quite unusual private Member’s Bill, in that it has sup...
David Drew | 455 c1050-1 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that that will not be necessary. This is a listening Government and I hope that the Minister,...
John Leech | 455 c1053 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that difficult meetings are often about closures? The whole point of the B...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1053 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, wish to congratulate the hon. Member for Ruislip-Northwood (Mr. Hurd) on making the most of ...
David Drew | 455 c1052-3 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. It is a case of use it or lose it. It is no good if the parish or town council decides to p...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1052 (Link to this contribution)
I did a little bit to help preserve small shops in my private Member’s Bill on Christmas day trading...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1054 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Lady agree that if we are to consult local communities it is important that we have th...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1053-4 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The key problem is not necessarily opposing closures or proposin...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1046-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am now straining to retain cross-party consensus on the Bill as I am receiving a lecture on the re...
Joan Ruddock | 455 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his Bill, and I have attended the debate to support it. I have ...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
That point crystallises problems in many Members’ constituencies. What the hon. Lady describes I rec...
Anne Main | 455 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
I completely sympathise and empathise with the views that the hon. Gentleman expressed about heated ...
David Drew | 455 c1049-50 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to follow the excellent speech of the hon. Member for Ruislip-Northwood (Mr. Hurd). I...
David Drew | 455 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that. We can talk about different parts of the United Kingdom facing slightly different pro...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1047-8 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has hit the nail on the head, and it allows me to pass on to the next part of my ...
John Hemming | 455 c1047 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill in many ways accepts what the Government have been trying to do in respect of local strateg...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1048-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that extremely helpful intervention. I am delighted to confirm that that ...
Mark Francois | 455 c1048 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his courtesy in giving way; he is making a good speech on a good Bill and...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1043-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for what he has said. I am sorry if I have given any such impression, for...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that that spending would include area-based initiatives, which are d...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
I obviously support those sentiments behind the Bill, but I have concerns about some of the practica...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
To be honest, I will need to think that issue through more clearly. The value of the exercise contai...
Robert Key | 455 c1046 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that my hon. Friend’s Bill is not prescriptive, but how permissive is it? For example, ...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution)
I completely understand the hon. Gentleman’s point. The Bill is not prescriptive at this stage, and ...
Martin Horwood | 455 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I warmly congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his speech, and on promoting this Bill. Will the process...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that helpful intervention; it is important that I confirm that that is at...
Anne Milton | 455 c1045 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend mentioned participation; that is the key element of the Bill. Many communities are co...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1044-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for her helpful intervention. I am happy to confirm that important point. We a...
Wayne David | 455 c1066 (Link to this contribution)
It is not my intention to make partisan or sectarian points, as I wish to be fair and even-handed. I...
Wayne David | 455 c1066 (Link to this contribution)
I will be fair. I quoted the example of Caerphilly earlier and I quote it again. Tesco, which I assu...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1066 (Link to this contribution)
To clarify the position, big supermarket chains and retailers with multiple outlets are members of t...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1066 (Link to this contribution)
It is strange to hear a member of the Tory Front-Bench team attacking multinationals, Tesco and the ...
Wayne David | 455 c1067 (Link to this contribution)
I shall respond first to the hon. Gentleman’s point about the Federation of Small Businesses. I assu...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1066-7 (Link to this contribution)
To clarify matters, I have met the head of policy at the Federation of Small Businesses and she has ...
Wayne David | 455 c1067-8 (Link to this contribution)
Precisely. My hon. Friend pre-empts my conclusion. That is one of the inherent contradictions in the...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1067 (Link to this contribution)
I refer to clause 6, dealing with approval of local spending plans. Subsection (1) states:"““A local...
Martin Caton | 455 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a powerful case about specific details in the Bill. Those should be address...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
Is it cheap on Amazon?
Wayne David | 455 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
It is only £7.50, and a bargain at the price.
Wayne David | 455 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
I repeat that I wrote it myself.
Dawn Butler | 455 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, signed that early-day motion, but does my hon. Friend not agree that we should wait until Si...
Wayne David | 455 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know about the press release, but certainly, like most Members, I agree with the principles...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman is about to say that he does not support the Bill, can he explain why, in the ...
Wayne David | 455 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
No, it is not, but if my hon. Friend has a word with me after the debate, I am sure that I can arran...
Wayne David | 455 c1065-6 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very good point, and it takes me neatly to my next point. I have referred to the written s...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1066 (Link to this contribution)
Who exactly are the members of the British Retail Consortium?
Wayne David | 455 c1062 (Link to this contribution)
To return to a point that I made earlier, much of our debate today is genuine discussion of an issue...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1061-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s points, and he gives a good example of how answerability coul...
Wayne David | 455 c1063 (Link to this contribution)
I begin by congratulating the Bill’s sponsors. As has been pointed out, an impressive cross-party co...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1062-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is certainly important that consensus about the merits of localism is reached between the two sid...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1061 (Link to this contribution)
May I offer the hon. Gentleman a little advice? He should have read the Bill before the debate becau...
Andrew Gwynne | 455 c1061 (Link to this contribution)
May I give the hon. Gentleman a further example of good practice when consulting local people? Recen...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1063-4 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend’s constituency produces very fine cheese, too. My constituency is similar to his, as ...
Wayne David | 455 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point. Politics is not always about people coming together and agreeing,...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
Would my hon. Friend identify the author of that book?
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will have read the Bill, as I have. Clause 1(2) states that sustainability may be...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1059 (Link to this contribution)
I share some of the hon. Gentleman’s frustrations and irritations about primary care trusts and have...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1058-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to support the Bill of my hon. Friend the Member for Ruislip-Northwood (Mr. Hurd). I ...
Nia Griffith | 455 c1058 (Link to this contribution)
I am here to support the Bill. I am delighted that the hon. Member for Ruislip-Northwood (Mr. Hurd) ...
Anne Milton | 455 c1060 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that, regardless of whether decisions on local NHS services could be inclu...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1060-1 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly agree with my hon. Friend. It is interesting that although the concept of patient choice ...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1059-60 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely worried about what the hon. Gentleman is saying. We are hampered by the fact that the...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1060 (Link to this contribution)
I am not saying that at all. I am addressing the principle of the sustainability of local communitie...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1101 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that Stockport is the same, but the hon. Gentleman will know better than me about that.
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1098-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. My real concern about the Bill is the position of mi...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1099 (Link to this contribution)
The point that my hon. Friend makes about the cohesion of communities is a strong and powerful examp...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1099 (Link to this contribution)
We are in a Second Reading debate and the Minister, who has obviously done serious work on the Bill,...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1099-100 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is correct. The Bill does not mention that issue, but this is a good opport...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1100-1 (Link to this contribution)
That shows my hon. Friend’s commitment to the localist agenda.
My hon. Friend talked about the diff...
Andrew Gwynne | 455 c1101 (Link to this contribution)
It is next door in Ashton.
Phil Woolas | 455 c1101 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. The innovative, new IKEA stores in Ashton and north-east London were a direct result of our ...
Mark Hunter | 455 c1101 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will not be surprised that I want to take him up on his point about IKEA. He cites thos...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1103 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I think that it is. The right hon. Gentleman made the important point in his speech that money ...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1103 (Link to this contribution)
Are not those changes structural, rather than an attempt to engage people and to increase participat...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1101-3 (Link to this contribution)
It would be unwise for me, on behalf of the hon. Gentleman’s constituents—let alone mine—if I were t...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1103 (Link to this contribution)
There was a time at which some local authorities acted in a lunatic fashion. Although I do not belie...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1103-4 (Link to this contribution)
The analysis must be right before that issue can be addressed. The hon. Lady described the process i...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1104 (Link to this contribution)
rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.
Question put, That the Questio...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his campaign and on his ingenuity. I hope that the House will a...
Daniel Kawczynski | 455 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for the time that he is giving me to raise the issue of a referendum i...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1094-5 (Link to this contribution)
If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I shall make some progress.
As I hope that I have made clear, th...
Shona McIsaac | 455 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Phil Woolas | 455 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if the hon. Gentleman thinks that I am not embracing that enthusiasm. The Government shou...
Tim Farron | 455 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will recall that, before the last general election, the Deputy Prime Minister ran a con...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1095-6 (Link to this contribution)
I would add to the right hon. Gentleman’s premise the right of Parliament, as well as national Gover...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1095 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the Minister’s desire to make progress, but I think it important for us to be clear abo...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1098 (Link to this contribution)
If the House will allow me, I will first put forward some arguments and then take as many interventi...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1097 (Link to this contribution)
Potentially, the Bill could do that. Its proponents understandably say that there needs to be greate...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1097 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend the Minister agree that the Bill would add to the draconian powers of the Secret...
David Drew | 455 c1097 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Minister might recall that we had a debate in this Chamber which by pure chance—b...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1096-7 (Link to this contribution)
Of course I can comply with that; my hon. Friend represents the constituency of Cleethorpes and I kn...
Shona McIsaac | 455 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to ask some questions about the powers of the Secretary of State. Under the Bill, there would...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1098 (Link to this contribution)
I am, I hope, an entirely reasonable Minister. My statement that both I and the Government want to a...
Greg Knight | 455 c1098 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. He started out with some warm words, but in the last f...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1098 (Link to this contribution)
I will now take some interventions. First, I give way to the right hon. Member for East Yorkshire (M...
Anne Main | 455 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
On the Government’s duty to consult, does the Minister have any sympathy with the views of my consti...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1093-4 (Link to this contribution)
As elected representatives, we all recognise the hon. Lady’s point. It is always desirable to implem...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1092-3 (Link to this contribution)
Let me start with the traditional, but nevertheless sincere, congratulations to the hon. Member for ...
Lord Benyon | 455 c1091-2 (Link to this contribution)
As always, my right hon. Friend puts it so much more eloquently than I could, and I entirely agree w...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed!
Our proposals to increase devolution are prominent in the Government’s Bill through the pro...
Jonathan Shaw | 455 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
Double Diamond.
Lord Beamish | 455 c1091 (Link to this contribution)
I sympathise with the hon. Gentleman’s point about justice being dispensed at a local level, but can...
Lord Benyon | 455 c1090-1 (Link to this contribution)
The point that derives from that is that it is easy for people on higher incomes to travel to purcha...
Lord Benyon | 455 c1091 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly can, and I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving me the opportunity to do so. Cla...
Stephen Williams | 455 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution)
As a Member—possibly the only one on the Opposition Benches today—who represents a large city, Brist...
Lord Benyon | 455 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. I echo those sentiments with reference to my own constituency...
Lord Benyon | 455 c1088-9 (Link to this contribution)
I associate myself with the concluding remarks, and many others, of the hon. Member for Hove (Ms Bar...
Celia Barlow | 455 c1088 (Link to this contribution)
I agree, and I congratulate that administration on its initiative. An example in my constituency is ...
Dawn Butler | 455 c1087 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that councils do not necessarily need action plans to begin to regenerate ...
Celia Barlow | 455 c1087 (Link to this contribution)
Those initiatives have everything to do with the Bill. I accept that the hon. Gentleman is anxious t...
Andrew Pelling | 455 c1087 (Link to this contribution)
What does this have to do with the Bill?
Celia Barlow | 455 c1086-7 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend. Although our high streets in Hove and Portslade are extremely vibrant a...
Martin Linton | 455 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend have the problem that I have in my constituency, where there is enormous concern...
Speaker | 455 c1079 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman has made his point.
Lord Beamish | 455 c1079 (Link to this contribution)
It is quite convenient for the right hon. Gentleman to forget history. Was it not a Conservative Gov...
Wayne David | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way one last time.
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1078-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to be able to speak at this stage of the debate. I had intended to try to do so at a l...
Wayne David | 455 c1077-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am conscious of the fact that my hon. Friend is a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights. [...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
It would be the district council.
Lord Beamish | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, the county tier will be ignored. One tier or the other is bound to be cut out. Does th...
Wayne David | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
I can only assume that that is what is intended by the Bill’s supporters, or at least some of them. ...
Wayne David | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
Wales has a unitary system, but in my experience in England today and in Wales before local governme...
Lord Beamish | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
According to clause 11, for the purposes of local community allocation"““‘principal council’ has the...
Speaker | 455 c1076 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that that will do for the time being.
Wayne David | 455 c1076 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for reinforcing the point that I have made.
Having referred to the Go...
Wayne David | 455 c1076 (Link to this contribution)
As I have indicated, I am trying to make progress with my speech. I am also, however, trying to be c...
Celia Barlow | 455 c1085 (Link to this contribution)
The United Kingdom is a nation of rich diversity. We can be proud that its regions, towns and cities...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1084-5 (Link to this contribution)
Unfortunately, the hon. Gentleman has not taken advice about the Bill. The Bill has been drafted to ...
Andrew Gwynne | 455 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
This point ties in with the response that I received from the right hon. Member for West Dorset (Mr....
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1083 (Link to this contribution)
I have a horrible shock for the hon. Lady. If local people see that their local council, unlike the ...
Andrew Gwynne | 455 c1083 (Link to this contribution)
I have three examples in the Stockport part of my constituency of where the council has ignored the ...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1083-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a serious point in that there are cases in which particular groups of peopl...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1084 (Link to this contribution)
I will now, with hesitation, give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1084 (Link to this contribution)
I want to return to the point about clause 6. I think that the right hon. Gentleman was advancing th...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1082-3 (Link to this contribution)
With some hesitation, I may in due course give way to the hon. Gentleman, but only after I have comp...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1082 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1082 (Link to this contribution)
I will in a moment.
It is open to the Minister not to spend any time at all vetoing plans. There is...
Shona McIsaac | 455 c1082 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1079 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman is hard of hearing, but I said a moment ago that I accept t...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1081-2 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the hon. Gentleman. To be fair, the Government are moving towards filling that hole in ...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1080 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very interesting and serious question that I will reply to in two ways. First, yes, my hon...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that helpful intervention. He reminds me that I spoke to the people o...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
I have not done so personally, but supporters of the campaign have discussed the matter extensively ...
Hywel Williams | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
I assure the hon. Gentleman that I have been contacted by a large number of constituents—as, I am su...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an extremely important point well. The issue of public transport and rural ...
Wayne David | 455 c1040 (Link to this contribution)
As the Bill applies to Wales as well as England, has the hon. Gentleman had any consultation with th...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1037-9 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
The Bill will make the Government more resp...
David Heath | 455 c1039-40 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there is a crossover between such environmental concerns and conc...
Wayne David | 455 c1070 (Link to this contribution)
As I said, the principle of devolving powers is now widely accepted. It is significant that the Cons...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1097 (Link to this contribution)
I remember the debate that has been mentioned very well because I arrived for a 30-minute debate but...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1077 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. He has been speaking for almost an hour, and he has made some very ...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1041 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to take that intervention, not only because my hon. Friend is a well-known champion o...
Nick Hurd | 455 c1041-2 (Link to this contribution)
I respect your ruling, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth, Ea...
Dawn Butler | 455 c1072 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for being so generous in giving way. Is he aware that in my Brent constituenc...
Wayne David | 455 c1070 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point. Devising structures and processes that will inevitably create con...
Wayne David | 455 c1066 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. That is the point that I was making with regard to Tesco, and it applies to other stores as...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1064 (Link to this contribution)
How much is it?
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 455 c1061 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to have to disagree rather strongly with the hon. Gentleman, but that attitude is tantamo...
Julia Goldsworthy | 455 c1056-8 (Link to this contribution)
I want to make some progress, as other Members want to speak.
It is easy to identify the problems t...
Phil Woolas | 455 c1095 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman, which means that I must then give way to my hon. Friend...
Oliver Letwin | 455 c1091 (Link to this contribution)
There is another answer to the hon. Member for North Durham (Mr. Jones). Under the Bill, if a local ...
Wayne David | 455 c1076-7 (Link to this contribution)
Neither of those questions is best put to me. I have no easy answer to either of them. I should like...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1076 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has made the important point that we should be debating the principles of the Bill. A...
Speaker | 455 c1076 (Link to this contribution)
Order. It would be helpful if the hon. Gentleman now made progress with his speech.
Andrew Pelling | 455 c1076 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman be able to yield the Floor before the end of this debate so that the views o...
Celia Barlow | 455 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend, and I congratulate his local authority on the measures that he mentions...
Andrew Pelling | 455 c1042 (Link to this contribution)
What is so potent and powerful about my hon. Friend’s Bill is that it will turn planning topsy-turvy...
Martin Linton | 455 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that in many cases inner city high streets are the new villages, becau...
Shona McIsaac | 455 c1083 (Link to this contribution)
I am a little concerned about something that the right hon. Gentleman just said and I would like him...
Lindsay Hoyle | 455 c1081 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the right hon. Gentleman’s comments, but in reality the 60 million-plus people in England ...
Shona McIsaac | 455 c1079-80 (Link to this contribution)
When I was a Home Office Parliamentary Private Secretary and the right hon. Gentleman was shadow Hom...
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