Police and Justice Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 1 November 2006, in the House of Lords.

Police and Justice Bill.Consideration of Commons amendments and reasons. Lords amendment 1 not insisted on. Lords amendment 5 not insisted on, but amendments proposed in lieu. Commons amendments 10A to 10D, 11A to 11F, 12A to 12E, 13A to 13F, 14A to 14I to Lords amendments 10,11,12,13 and 14 agreed to. Motion that Lords do insist on amendment 36 but do not insist on amendment 85 agreed to on division (189 to 152). Motion that Lords do insist on amendments 81 to 84 agreed to on division (171 to 138). Committee appointed to propose reasons for insistence on Lords amendments. reasons reported and agreed to. Bill returned to Commons with reasons.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

686 c251-312

Session

2005-06

Police and Justice bill. Commons amendments and reasons.
Wednesday, 25 October 2006
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Goodhart | 686 c283 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot speak for the other noble Lords whom the noble Baroness has quoted but, since she...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c283-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, your Lordships will see that I did not assert that the noble Lord did anything otherwise. ...

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Lord Goodhart | 686 c285 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, speaking for myself, I would be perfectly happy for the entire discussion to be taken as a...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c285 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am also happy with that.

Lord Goodhart | 686 c285 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to intervene, but I have a small query. The noble Baroness is speaking on forum...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c285 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may be convenient to have one debate. The reason I raise it now is that these arguments...

Lord Goodhart | 686 c289-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since your Lordships’ House last debated this issue the Senate has, as the Minister pointe...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c287-9 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Motion D, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Am...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c285-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a most helpful indication. As I have said, questions about the most appropriate fo...

Lord Goldsmith | 686 c261-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am slightly reluctant to accept the word ““norm””, but I said precisely that. There woul...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c277-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 10A to 10D...

Lord Ramsbotham | 686 c278-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel that I speak for Members on every Bench in this House who have spoken when this mat...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 686 c279 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support all the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. I agree that the Governm...

Lord Dholakia | 686 c279-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief. I support very much what the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, and the noble ...

Lord Elton | 686 c280 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the monitoring period will be very important. In view of the short time in which the revis...

Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 686 c281 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I align myself with the comments made by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, and the...

Earl of Caithness | 686 c280 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having spoken at Report, I thank the Government for having done what they have done. That ...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c281-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank all those who have spoken. I give a particular apology to the noble Earl, L...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 686 c281 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as one who did not speak on the last occasion, I, too, am very appreciative of the way in ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 686 c253-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay of St Johns. Although it preoccupied us all far ...

Lord Goldsmith | 686 c255-7 (Link to this contribution) rose to move, That this House do not insist on its Amendment No. 5 to which the Commons have disagre...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 1 to which the Commons hav...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c251 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments and reasons be now considered. Moved accordingl...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 686 c261 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble and learned Lord saying that the amount will be in the form of what is called...

Lord Goldsmith | 686 c261 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for what the noble and learned Lord and the noble Baronesses have said. We w...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 686 c260-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I echo what has been said by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, and the no...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 686 c258-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we remain concerned that the Government are taking our judicial system down a route that c...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 686 c257-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at Third Reading I pointed out that the clause as proposed was contrary to a basic princip...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c306-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 71 to which the Commons ha...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c303-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought I had dealt with that in my speech by quoting from Article 7.1 of the European C...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 686 c310 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree wholeheartedly with the views put forward by the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Ri...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c312 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 81 to 84 to which the Co...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c310-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Anelay and Lady Harris. I shall deal first with the poi...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c312 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 81 to 84 t...

Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 686 c303 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to clarify the point. What I said was that...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c302-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, ““scupper”” is a wholly inappropriate word in this context. One of the reasons why ratific...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c302 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course not. I have made it absolutely clear that we want the treaty; but it contains sa...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c302 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course, I do not dissent from that. I think that that is true. Nevertheless, one of the...

Lord Morgan | 686 c301-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the broad principles of what the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, said very modera...

Lord Kingsland | 686 c301 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I want to spend one ...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c300-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, many of them will be capable of being extradited but the noble Lord will remember—and the ...

Lord Goodhart | 686 c300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the noble Baroness estimate how many of these cases would have led to extradition unde...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c299-300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all those who have participated in this debate. I thank particularly warmly my nob...

Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 686 c297-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to intervene in this debate, partly because I have not done so before, but also...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 686 c302 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is apparently saying that he wants the treaty and that he is very much in f...

Lord Richard | 686 c294-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may follow my noble friend Lord Anderson because, in a sense, his position and m...

Lord Monson | 686 c294 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as we are being denied a separate debate on Motions F and F1—albeit by general agreement—p...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 686 c297 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief. Listening to the debate, I have sometimes been uncertain whether we were...

Lord Morgan | 686 c295-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not a lawyer. I think that I am the only person to speak who has no legal training, b...

Lord Goodhart | 686 c290-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the proposed amendment would of course make it impossible for Her Majesty’s Government to ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 686 c293-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the House has had the benefit of very weighty legal arguments, but those arguments on the ...

Lord Bridges | 686 c293 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in her introductory remarks, the noble Baroness explained in general terms the new agreeme...

Lord Goodhart | 686 c297 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord for giving way. It is not ratification that brings the ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 686 c297 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that gets the noble Lord no further, because I think that he was inclined to accept that t...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c282-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 36 and 85 to which the C...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 686 c252-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has explained why she feels it appropriate for this House not to insist upon ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 686 c308-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I give a cautious welcome to these amendments, which were introduced in the other place. T...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 686 c290 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether the noble Lord can help me. As he has pointed out, the imbalance is conta...

Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 686 c302 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Lord saying that Her Majesty’s loyal Opposition do not want this treaty?