Interception of Communications (Admissibility of Evidence) Bill (HL). Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question
Interception of Communications (Admissibility of Evidence) Bill [HL]
Debate on bills on Friday, 18 November 2005,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Lloyd of Berwick.
The answering
member was Lord Bassam of Brighton.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
675 c1301-36Session
2005-06Legislative stage
Second readingChamber / Committee
House of Lords chamberRelated items
Interception of Communications (Admissibility of Evidence) Bill (HL)
Monday, 10 October 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Monday, 10 October 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 675 c1336 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. It would be duplication and in effect a wa...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1336 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I fully understand that, and the committee is in charge of the agencies, but the problem i...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c1327 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my point is that it does not really matter what instrument produces the communication. If ...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 675 c1327 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the point is—and the noble Lord is not quite seeing it—that if another country does not mi...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c1327-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I entirely follow the noble Baroness’s point. Indeed, I propose to deal with it shortly; I...
Earl of Erroll | 675 c1329 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak from the IT point of view. IP telephony was mentioned earlier as being difficult. ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Earl for his intervention because it allows me to make this poi...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 675 c1330-2 (Link to this contribution)
: My Lords, once again the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, has raised a most interest...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 675 c1332-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, has made a valuable contribution to the...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1335 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate, which has now lasted t...
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 675 c1335 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should make it absolutely clear, since perhaps it was not clear from my speech, that I a...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1335-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful; I had forgotten that the noble Lord, Lord Robertson, spoke against the Sele...
Lord Brennan | 675 c1316 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I naturally respect the noble Baroness’s views, but I do not recollect from Sir Ian’s spee...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 675 c1316 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that there is a difference between the views of Sir Swinton Thom...
Lord Brennan | 675 c1314-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Parliament has a major role to play in the campaign against terrorism. There are those in ...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 675 c1313-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that intervention and am very glad to hear that that is the rea...
Lord Judd | 675 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, of course I take the intervention of my noble friend in the spirit in which it is made. It...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 675 c1319 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. Since he has mentioned my name, does he n...
Lord Judd | 675 c1318-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lyell, because I am very sympathetic...
Lord Lyell of Markyate | 675 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very glad to follow the noble Lord, Lord Brennan, who has reminded the House that we ...
Lord Goodhart | 675 c1313 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. Does she not appreciate that the defen...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 675 c1312-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Ramsay, has said it all—at least, I thought that she had until I ...
Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 675 c1323-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to be able to participate in this very well informed debate. I am happy that ...
Earl of Erroll | 675 c1321-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak in this debate because I have spoken on RIPA and given consideration to th...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 675 c1326 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord and am sorry to interrupt, but I shall do so very quickly....
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 675 c1325-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having by misfortune missed much of the speech given by my noble and learned friend Lord L...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c1326-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may say how much we welcome this important debate and how much we support the id...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 675 c1326 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is an interesting point and one that might properly be examined by the Select Committ...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 675 c1327 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that it has been made plain by a number of noble Lords that the issue is not str...
Lord Ackner | 675 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think I made it clear that I was not putting forward my interpretation. I thought it was...
Lord Judd | 675 c1320-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not a lawyer, but after those two interventions I am close to saying, ““I rest my cas...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may answer the point since it involves me. The reason I did not refer to Sir Swi...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1301-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time. The purpose of this short Bill is ...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 675 c1304-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have more than a passing sense of déjà vu about arguing yet again against the use of int...
Lord Goodhart | 675 c1307-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, let me start with the principle that it is plainly wrong if terrorists, drug dealers or pe...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what case does the noble Lord have in mind where the defence has ranged far and wide and i...
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 675 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that clever lawyers could draw up a precise framework and even cleverer lawyers ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1311-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the answer to that problem is that if the judge decides the point in favour of admitting e...
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 675 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not in a position to give a precise answer to that, but I recollect that recently the...
Lord Ackner | 675 c1309-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke to Sir Swinton Thomas after—I stress that—he spoke to my noble and learned friend ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 675 c1309 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should tell the House that Sir Swinton Thomas, to whom the noble and learned Lord has ju...
Lord Goodhart | 675 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the rule of discovery is not absolute and written in stone, never to be changed. Why shoul...
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 675 c1310-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, although I intend to speak from my past, not current, experience, I should say, whether re...
Lord Ackner | 675 c1309 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a matter of great regret to me that I find I am speaking on the opposite side to tha...
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 675 c1312 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, frankly, I can think of nothing worse than withdrawing the case halfway through. We are he...
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