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2022-23

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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chapman of Darlington

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out “may” ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1157-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the speeches we heard at Second Reading, and the conversations which have been ha...


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Lord Shipley | 822 cc1159-1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I support everything that the noble Baroness, Lady Chapman of Darlington, said....

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1160-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I remind the Committee of my interests in respect of education in the register; ...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 cc1162-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not yet heard anything I disagree with, so I shall try to make some different po...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is with some trepidation that I follow two such experts in education on these Benche...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 cc1165-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not suggesting that we debate whether Clauses 2 and 4 stand part of the Bill at th...

Lord Nash | 822 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened carefully to what everyone has said and do not disagree with much. I on...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 822 cc1166-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret missing Second Reading, which, according to some noble Lords we heard today, w...

Lord Lucas | 822 cc1168-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am puzzled about how the system proposed in the Bill produces good schools. I have sp...

Lord Grocott | 822 c1169 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unusually for me—and, I think, for most Members—I came here simply to listen, not to sp...

Bishop of Durham | 822 cc1169-1170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to declare my interest as chair of the National Society, which oversees Church o...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 cc1170-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise towards what I imagine is the end of a very rich and telling debate. We have seen huge exp...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 822 c1172 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add one thought to the debate. As my noble friend Lady Morris said, the Bill ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1172-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not want to stand up again, but I need to respond quickly to my noble friend, jus...

Lord Nash | 822 c1173 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise; I should have declared my interests earlier as a chair of a multi-academy ...

Lord Lexden | 822 c1173 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, when my noble friend replies, could she explain to us how the matters tha...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1173-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add to the question of “academies or maintained schools”. During the coalition G...

Lord Addington | 822 cc1174-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene in what has been a wide-ranging debate. I must admit that I have felt incre...

Lord Adonis | 822 cc1175-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene briefly. In listening to and reflecting on this debate, the bad news is tha...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1176-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall begin by speaking to the first group of amendments, which are mostly amendments...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

I think it is only right that I recognise the tone that the Minister has just struck and welcome ...

Lord Addington | 822 cc1179-1180 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Addington

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, at end insert—

“(1A) The S...

Lord Addington | 822 c1180 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the inspiration for this amendment, I am afraid, is much of what we have already heard ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1181 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord recall that the last time this House intervened on a statutory instrument was...

Lord Addington | 822 c1181 (Link to this contribution)

I do remember that, but as a hereditary Peer I am probably more familiar than the noble Lord with...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 cc1181-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 27A. This speech will be very short. The amendment is defensi...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1182-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two clause stand part amendments, but also added my name to the amendments from ...

Viscount Eccles | 822 c1184 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, may not be in the slightest bit surprised by th...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 c1184 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a specific question about Clause 1(6). It is odd to say that a standard may not ...

Bishop of Durham | 822 cc1184-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Baker, for something he said in his speech that helped me ...

Baroness Meacher | 822 cc1185-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the intention of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, to oppose the ques...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 cc1187-9 (Link to this contribution)

May I now formally move that Clause 1 should not stand part of the Bill? If I cannot do that yet,...

Lord Nash | 822 cc1189-1190 (Link to this contribution)

Although I share some of the noble Lord’s concerns about simplifying the regulatory system, as a ...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1190-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself following the noble Lord, Lord Nash. I wanted to say that it was a pleasu...

Lord Judge | 822 cc1191-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I owe an apology to the Committee because I did not speak at Second Reading as I...

Baroness Brinton | 822 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene briefly and echo the support for all those who have spoken about the proble...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 822 cc1192-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I draw to your Lordships’ attention my relevant interest in the register as the deputy ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1193 (Link to this contribution)

Given the noble Lord’s relatively recent experience as Academies Minister, can he clarify, using ...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 822 cc1193-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good question. I can tell the noble Lord candidly that when I arrived in that post...

Baroness Berridge | 822 cc1194-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am struggling to think of the collective noun for former Cabinet Ministers that are g...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

We have had an excellent debate from so many noble Lords. I shall try to be concise, because so m...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1197-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I move on to the second group of amendments. As I have spoken at length on the first gr...

Lord Addington | 822 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was an interesting and full answer, but one that did not in any way allay my fears...

Lord Lucas | 822 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

7: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out “, and the curriculum foll...

Lord Lucas | 822 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment I will speak also to the other amendments in this group. We ha...

Baroness Brinton | 822 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want briefly to respond to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, about his am...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow those welcome comments from the noble Baroness. This conversation—the closest ...

Baroness Brinton | 822 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

May I very briefly add to that? This is not just a matter for the Government; it is also a matter...

Lord Lucas | 822 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

We do, of course, have the ability to recommit a Bill to Committee if there are substantial chang...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 822 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support my noble friend Lord Lucas on protecting these freedoms and t...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 822 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for missing some of the earlier speeches; the ones I heard were very helpfu...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 cc1201-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a very brief intervention. I struggle with the whole issue of the curriculu...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1202-3 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we are at risk of having a really interesting debate about the substance of what a c...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

Reflecting on the debate that we have had, it occurs to me that, effectively, in announcing that ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1203-4 (Link to this contribution)

Is it? I would like to know the answer to that question, because it is not clear whether that is ...

Baroness Penn | 822 cc1204-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is probably worth my reiterating my noble friend the Minister’s comments that we hav...

Lord Lucas | 822 cc1205-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister for her response. I think that it merely ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He has really illustrated the puzzle I ...

Lord Lucas | 822 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords, nor do I; I think it would work much better in that sort of way. The Government are...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1206-7 (Link to this contribution)

I intervene briefly to say that an enormous amount of work could and should be done on the curric...

Lord Lucas | 822 c1207 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my Lords, and I imagine that we will have it as a part of the process of deciding how to tur...

Baroness Brinton | 822 c1207 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Brinton

8: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, after “health” insert “(inclu...

Baroness Brinton | 822 cc1207-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying that my noble friend Lord Storey is unable to be in his place today, ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 cc1208-1210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak chiefly to Amendment 21A in my name. We are again addressing Clause 1; I w...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1210-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I lend my support to the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, on Amendment 8 and to my noble f...

Lord Addington | 822 cc1211-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the two amendments in this group that have my name on them, Amendments ...

Lord Aberdare | 822 c1212 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall say just a few words in support of Amendment 22, in the names of the noble Baro...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 822 cc1212-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 8, proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, and talked a...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is interesting to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, because I do not entirely agr...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 cc1214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 22 and 37 in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Chapma...

Baroness Penn | 822 cc1215-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, has said, we have exchanged our telescopes for mic...

Lord Addington | 822 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to get an assurance that there is a way to make sure that, if a new regulation is put...

Baroness Penn | 822 cc1217-8 (Link to this contribution)

I hope to assure the noble Lord that those requirements will be written into the academy trust st...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister address the point I made about democracy within schools and pupils having a sa...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I think that would be something that would not be set out in the academy standards but wou...

Baroness Brinton | 822 cc1218-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to noble Lords for their very helpful interventions in this short debate. Rath...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 822 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

By way of clarification, I certainly do not think it is a consequence of Covid or lockdown. I was...

Baroness Brinton | 822 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for that explanation. One of the reasons we need this is...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

23: Clause 1, page 2, line 18, at end insert—

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1220-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving my first amendment in this group, I must say that I agreed with the analysis ...

Lord Shipley | 822 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree very strongly with the case made by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, f...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1223-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak briefly to Amendments 23, 24, 25 and 27, to which I have added my name,...

Lord Nash | 822 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will comment on the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, about the benefits fo...

Baroness Blower | 822 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I had the experience of being a teacher from...

Lord Nash | 822 cc1224-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do not doubt that, but it is unlikely that in a local authority you would have a person working...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to intervene, but is that right? I thought that the Questions that Clauses 5...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that is currently group 9, which we would reach on a future day. Of course, future days...

Lord Nash | 822 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps my noble friend can help me with the fact that Amendments 39A, 39B and 39C are not on thi...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that may be because they have been submitted later in the process. They will go through...

Lord Nash | 822 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

Then I will defer to the noble Lord, Lord Knight.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1225-7 (Link to this contribution)

Only if the noble Lord has finished; I do not mean to interrupt.

This is a really important...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 822 c1227 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments. I have just one narrow point I wish to add. One thing that ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 c1228 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Brixton—indeed, he pick...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1229-1230 (Link to this contribution)

This set of amendments is quite close to my heart. I think most of us here will have served as pa...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1230-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their amendments relating to trust governance structures, parental re...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1231-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very useful debate. Clearly, I agree with my noble friend that, with pa...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1232 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that it is unusual to intervene this way round, but just to clarify for the nobl...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1232 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know, but I worry about the “exceptional circumstances” because I do not see why an i...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1233 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wilcox of Newport

28: Clause 1, page 3, line 10, at end insert—

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Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1233 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group is another trying to put safeguards around the Secretary of State’s powers t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1233-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly welcome my noble friend’s amendment. I, along with my noble friend Lady Blow...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 c1234 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly to Amendment 28 in the name of the noble Baronesses, Lady Chapm...

Lord Addington | 822 c1234 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly. This amendment is in the spirit of many of the amendments that...

Baroness Blower | 822 c1234 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the lateness of the hour, I will comment but briefly. Notwithstanding that some o...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1235-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments seeks to apply additional procedural requirements to the use o...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1236 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister noted that the Government want a more transparent and accountable way forward, but t...

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