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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 1 November 2021, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. Schedules 3 to 5 agreed to, with schedule 3 agreed to as amended. Clauses 43 to 47 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

815 cc1004-1067 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2019-21 to 2021-22. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 6 July 2021
Bills
House of Lords
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill
Monday, 1 November 2021
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0872
Wednesday, 10 November 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0889
Monday, 15 November 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Moylan | 815 cc1004-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

106: After Clause 42, insert the following new Clause—

“Re...

Lord Moylan | 815 cc1005-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 106, 326 and 330 in my name. In doing so, I have been req...


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Lord Sandhurst | 815 cc1007-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow and support my noble friend Lord Moylan. If this speech is ...

Lord Pannick | 815 cc1008-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to these amendments. It is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lo...

Viscount Hailsham | 815 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the proposed new clause and I will give it all the support I can. Th...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 815 cc1009-1012 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I enthusiastically endorse these amendments and thank the noble Lords, Lord Moylan, Lor...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to speak on this, because there are much bigger issues coming up later,...

Lord Cashman | 815 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to speak to this amendment, but like the noble Baroness who spoke befor...

Baroness Noakes | 815 cc1012-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Moylan’s amendments in this group. Somehow, we have ende...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 815 c1013 (Link to this contribution)

Having listened with great interest to what the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, read out as to the curr...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 815 cc1013-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not participate in Second Reading on the Bill, but I did get some correspondence ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 815 cc1014-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I am probably quite woke, and proud to be so; none the less, I support the broa...

Lord Judge | 815 c1015 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issue is very simple. We surely have to decide whether hate crime and non-hate crim...

Lord Dobbs | 815 cc1015-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble and learned Lord, I shall attempt to be very brief indeed. My understand...

Baroness Meyer | 815 c1016 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make a point about something that is not directly related, but which I found ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 815 cc1016-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of these Benches, I too support these amendments, for all the reasons given b...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 cc1017-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Marks, said, it is unusual to have such unanimity across the Ho...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 cc1018-1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate, which has been very constructiv...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 815 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not a lawyer, but can the Minister explain why she thinks that this is a matter fo...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

I am simply pointing out that the Home Secretary has been in touch with the College of Policing t...

Baroness Noakes | 815 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend invited the House to wait and see. Can she give us some idea of how lon...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

I can certainly promise my noble friend and noble Lords who have been involved in the debate this...

Lord Moylan | 815 cc1020-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I tabled these amendments, I had no idea that they would find universal approbatio...

Lord Moylan | 815 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

Did I make a mistake there? Sorry. I am very grateful to everyone who has spoken.

I particu...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

108: Schedule 3, page 202, line 6, at end inse...

Bishop of Gloucester | 815 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Lord Bishop of Gloucester

110: After Clause 43, insert the following new...

Bishop of Gloucester | 815 cc1022-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to move this amendment, which has the support of the noble and learned Lor...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 cc1026-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure and a privilege to follow the right reverend Prelate. My name comes af...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 815 cc1027-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are about ensuring the best interests and welfare of the c...

Viscount Hailsham | 815 c1028 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a brief point to make. I find a great deal of attraction in the thinking behind ...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 815 c1028 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise very briefly to support the principle of these amendments. I warmly welcome what...

Viscount Hailsham | 815 c1028 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely accept what the noble and learned Lord is saying, but I am not sure I see the distinct...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 815 c1028 (Link to this contribution)

If I might attempt to answer the noble Viscount’s question, paramount importance is given to the ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 815 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree entirely with my noble and learned friend who has just spoken that there is a p...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 cc1030-1 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting. The right reverend Prelate’s Amendment 215 says:

“A court mus...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 815 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

I do not object to that burden on the courts, but I am surprised that it has to be placed upon th...

Lord Bradley | 815 cc1031-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to make a short contribution to fully and strongly support the amendments. I dec...

Lord Garnier | 815 cc1033-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my fellow trustee of the Prison Reform Trust, the nobl...

Baroness Jolly | 815 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for two minutes, I want to throw a pebble into what seems like calm water. I totally su...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 815 cc1035-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the right reverend Prelate for not just these amendments but...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1037-1040 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I should first begin by apologising to the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

The first report of the Joint Committee on Human Rights in 2021 details in section 2 the concern ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1039-1041 (Link to this contribution)

Work still has to be done, of course, but I hope that the noble and learned Lord will accept that...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

This is a separate point. Amendment 215 would require the court to

“make inquiries to estab...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I made that clear earlier; let me go back to my notes. I do not want to mislead the noble ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

I am not disputing what the Minister says, but I read him as saying that that position is not ref...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1041-3 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to come to the detail of pre-sentence reports a little later. Let me come to that and...

Bishop of Gloucester | 815 cc1043-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate this afternoon; it is now ge...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

110ZA: Schedule 4, page 205, line 42, at end insert—

“(1C...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1044-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 110ZA in my name I will speak to my Amendments 110ZB, 110ZC and 110...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 815 cc1045-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 110A is grouped with my noble friend’s amendments, as we have just heard, ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 cc1047-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the two noble Lords who have spoken have fully introduced their amendments. Amendment 1...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 815 cc1048-1050 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions. These amendments bring us to the issue of ...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1049-1051 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Harris of Richmond for her support and for so clearly and ...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 815 cc1051-2 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Baroness Harris of Richmond

110A: Schedule 4, page 213, line 39, at end ins...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 815 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am immensely grateful to my noble friend Lord Paddick, who has absolutely perfectly p...

Lord Beith | 815 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beith

111: Clause 45, page 37, line 39, after “sport” insert “, dance, ...

Lord Beith | 815 cc1052-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 111 I will speak to the related Amendment 112. Here, we are being a...

Baroness Brinton | 815 cc1053-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Beith is right to lay his Amendments 111 and 112 to the Bill, aski...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is slightly more complex than one might have thought. I thank the noble Lord, Lord...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my task in this debate is easy: all I have to do is to support the noble Lord, Lord Bei...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1055 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we strongly support my noble friend Lord Beith. He has clearly explained his amendment:...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 cc1055-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we too support these amendments, and I too found the introduction from the noble Lord, ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1056-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to have the opportunity to respond to this short but focused debate. I am...

Baroness Hamwee | 815 c1058 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend responds, I feel very uncomfortable at the proposition that we s...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1058 (Link to this contribution)

I will reply very briefly to that point. When I say “new evidence”, I am not saying that there mu...

Baroness Hamwee | 815 c1058 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I pursue that? What evidence are we talking about, then? We are all giving examples...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1058-9 (Link to this contribution)

The art lesson may be a good example. With respect, there is a huge gulf between the relationship...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for explaining the Government’s position but I do not understand th...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

With great respect, the point put to me by the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, shows that if we draw th...

Lord Beith | 815 cc1059-1060 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by answering one of the Minister’s questions: what would constitute evidence? T...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1060-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

113: Clause 46, page 38, leave out lines 33 to 39.

Member...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1061 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 113 in my name I shall speak also to the other amendments in this g...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 cc1061-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support these amendments. We are now getting into the stuff that I will fight...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 cc1062-3 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for not standing up promptly—I was expecting the noble Baroness to say more. I will d...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1063-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments focuses on criminal damage and the need for Clause 46 to stand...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

It is very helpful of the Minister to tell us what the law is—accurately, I am sure. I do not thi...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

It seems pretty obvious that if you get hauled before the courts for damaging life-saving equipme...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

We seem to be reaching a measure of agreement. I still say, with respect, that because we have th...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as usual, my noble friend has been very helpful, but what he has not convinced me about...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, is my noble friend now back on the memorials point?

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

The short answer to that is that I did not make my argument on the basis of deterrence. Sentencin...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for taking part in this short debate, particularly the noble Ba...

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