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Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 6 July 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Benyon.
Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

813 cc267-340GC 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

Hybrid proceedings

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill (HL) 2021-22
Thursday, 13 May 2021
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 813 c267GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hamilton of Epsom

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after “must” insert “by ...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 813 cc267-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am moving this amendment because my noble friend Lord Forsyth is putting the report o...


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Lord Trees | 813 cc268-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, my Lords. I should like to speak to Amendment 3 in my name and Amendment 16 in the nam...

Earl of Kinnoull | 813 cc269-270GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register of the House, particularly those in r...

Lord Moylan | 813 cc270-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled three amendments in this group. The first is Amendment 19, supported by t...

Lord Howard of Rising | 813 cc272-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a number of amendments in the group. Amendments 24 and 30 both probe why “all” i...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 813 cc273-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as chair of the Royal Veterinary College and speak to Amendment 4...

Baroness Meyer | 813 c274GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 24 and 30 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Howard of Risi...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 cc274-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I support many of the amendments in this group but will speak specifically to Amendment 3 in the ...

Baroness Mallalieu | 813 cc275-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I remind the Committee of my interests, as set out in the register. My name is down to Amendment ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 813 cc276-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 15, 39 and 45 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Hayma...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 813 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Mancroft, has withdrawn, so I call the next speaker, the noble Lor...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 813 cc277-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to raise a few points. I am a little confused by comments from my nobl...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 813 c278GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Gale, has withdrawn, so I call the next speaker, the noble and learned L...

Lord Etherton | 813 cc278-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am speaking to Amendment 31 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, to which I...

Earl of Caithness | 813 cc279-280GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope my noble friend the Minister will give us a full and detailed reply, because the...

Lord Sheikh | 813 cc280-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendments 19 and 31, beginning with Amendment 19. We must ensure...

Baroness Deech | 813 cc282-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall start by speaking to Amendment 19 in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Moylan ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 813 cc283-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am speaking to Amendments 15, 39 and 45 in my name and that of the noble Baroness, La...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc285-291GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their interest in the Bill. I feel as if I were sailing a path between Sc...

Baroness Barker | 813 c291GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have received requests to speak after the Minister from five noble Lords. First, I ca...

Lord Marland | 813 cc291-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Committee for allowing me to speak, and to the Minister. I at...

Baroness Barker | 813 c292GC (Link to this contribution)

On that point, I just point out to Members of the Committee that speeches after the Minister are ...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc292-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend. I will write to him about the committee’s make-up and remit and...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 813 c293GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest with various positions in the Countryside Alliance.

I would...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc293-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would never have the temerity to say that anything was perfect in this world, and leg...

Earl of Kinnoull | 813 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my thanks to the Minister for the very interesting speech he has just made; I can...

Lord Benyon | 813 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

I can assure the noble Earl that I am open to discussions on any area of the Bill where I feel we...

Earl of Caithness | 813 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with my noble friend Lord Marland that the Government are beginning to alienate...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc294-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend and absolutely defer to him as someone with long experience of l...

Lord Trees | 813 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

I will just comment on Amendment 19 and, I hope, give some assurance. Many noble Lords have comme...

Lord Benyon | 813 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for that clarity and entirely endorse what he says.

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 813 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend the Minister for responding to my remarks on Amendment 1, w...

Baroness Barker | 813 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we will have a five-minute adjournment of the Committee.

4.28 pm

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 c296GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, at end insert—

“...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 cc296-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first apologise for not being here for the earlier debate because I had to chair the ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 813 cc297-8GC (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth. I usually disagree very strongly with al...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 cc298-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow the noble Baroness, and I support my noble friend Lord Forsyth in his de...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 813 cc299-300GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very important group of amendments, which seeks in some cases to dictate whic...

Lord Mancroft | 813 cc300-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Forsyth’s Amendment 2 addresses the likely conflict between the pr...

Baroness Mallalieu | 813 cc301-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is to Amendment 40 and I support Amendments 2 and 11 in this group. I was a lit...

Lord Trees | 813 c302GC (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendments 2 and 11, both in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, although I...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 813 c302GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief. By and large, the Government have got this reasonably okay. I can und...

Baroness Fookes | 813 cc302-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Forsyth may be slightly surprised, given my interest in animal wel...

Lord Sheikh | 813 cc303-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like to comment on Amendments 11 and 14. I agree in principle with what has be...

Earl of Caithness | 813 cc304-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments put forward by my noble friend Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, which...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 813 cc305-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak first to Amendments 5 and 14, which are in my name and that of the noble Baroness, ...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc306-310GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their amendments and hope to provide some reassurance and clarity. I star...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c309GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received three requests to speak after the Minister, from the noble Lords, Lord Hannan of ...

Lord Hannan of Kingsclere | 813 cc309-311GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time that I have intervened in the Committee stage of a Bill so I hop...

Lord Benyon | 813 c311GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend for his sympathy, though I wish my noble friends would stop...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c311GC (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the next person, I gently remind noble Lords that the practice in Committee and on ...

Lord Bellingham | 813 c311GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a request for clarification from the Minister. I listened carefully to the Chanc...

Lord Benyon | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

I said, with what I thought was clear reasoning, which has been backed up by others, why these tw...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

I would call the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, but we have a problem with her—but a person put his ...

Earl of Caithness | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened with care to what my noble friend said, and I apologise to him if I did not ...

Lord Benyon | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl refers to the LSE report on decapods and cephalopods, I assume.

Earl of Caithness | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

I refer to the one that was commissioned from the LSE, to which the noble Lord, Lord Trees, refer...

Lord Benyon | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

I think we are coming to that in a later group of amendments. It has been completed but not peer ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

We will make one more attempt to call the noble Baroness, Lady Deech. No, it is not working. I ca...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 cc312-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend Lady Fookes, although slightly surprised that she...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 4. I advise the Committee that if Amendment 4 i...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out subsections ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, tempted as I am to make all the same arguments about why we need details of how the com...

Lord Moylan | 813 cc314-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two amendments in this group with my name on them. The first is Amendment 8, ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 cc315-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow my noble friend. There is some coalition of thought behind his Amendment...

Lord Sheikh | 813 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was going to speak in favour of Amendment 10, particularly relating to the appointmen...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Hamilton of Epsom, has withdrawn from this group, so I call the next speaker...

Earl of Caithness | 813 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 8. Very briefly, the reason for this, as has been said by my...

Baroness Mallalieu | 813 cc316-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief and wish to ask for further reassurance from the Minister. I totally u...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c317GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising.

Lord Howard of Rising | 813 c317GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but I thought I had withdrawn from this group of amendments.

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c317GC (Link to this contribution)

In that case I call the noble Lord, Lord Carrington.

Lord Carrington | 813 cc317-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as a farmer, as set out in the register. My remarks on the Bill ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 813 cc318-9GC (Link to this contribution)

The amendments in this small group look particularly at the make-up of the committee’s membership...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc319-321GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness very eloquently makes the point I was going to make. I have clearly had repres...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c321GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received one request to speak after the Minister. I call the noble Lord, Lord Robathan.

Lord Robathan | 813 cc321-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must declare an interest as a farmer, with a livestock farm in Leicestershire. I do n...

Lord Benyon | 813 c322GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend takes me down a rabbit hole. I do not think I can add to what I already said. The...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 cc322-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much agree with what the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, said about the need for ex...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 c323GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Con)

7: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at end ins...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 cc323-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I will move Amendment 7 briefly. I have listened carefully to what my noble friend has said in re...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Hamilton of Epsom, has withdrawn from this group, so I call the noble Lord, ...

Lord Howard of Rising | 813 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not declaring an interest, in that I have a farm. It is just that farmi...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc324-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lady McIntosh for her amendments concerning term-lengths for members of t...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received two requests to speak after the Minister: from the noble Lord, Lord Marland, and ...

Lord Marland | 813 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to noble Lords for letting me speak again, as I want to press the Minister fur...

Lord Benyon | 813 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

An overused phrase in corporate-speak and in government is that my door is always open, but in th...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the noble Baroness, Lady Mallalieu.

Baroness Mallalieu | 813 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think there are crossed wires. I certainly do not want to extend matters; the email t...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

I should remind the Committee of my declaration of interests in this area—sadly, none of which ar...

Lord Mancroft | 813 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mancroft

12: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, at end insert—

“(4) No per...

Lord Mancroft | 813 cc326-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of this Bill is to promote and advance animal welfare, which is something t...

Lord Howard of Rising | 813 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that I could improve on what my noble friend Lord Mancroft has said, but...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lords, Lord Hamilton, Lord Moylan and Lord Sheikh, have all withdrawn from this debate,...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, I was told you had withdrawn. I beg your pardon. Please go ahead.

Baroness Mallalieu | 813 cc328-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I should make clear that I emailed to withdraw from groups 7, 8 and 10. This is my last s...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 813 c329GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 12, which would ban anyone from the committee if they had involvement with animal right...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc329-330GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords and to my noble friend Lord Mancroft for his Amendments 12 and 43. T...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c330GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received one request to speak after the Minister, so I call the noble Lord, Lord Hannan of...

Lord Hannan of Kingsclere | 813 cc330-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the debate on this amendment shows the fundamental problem of what is involved when an ...

Lord Benyon | 813 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise if I did not answer that point; I am conscious that I did not. My noble friend Lady M...

Lord Mancroft | 813 cc331-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend the Minister for answering my Amendment 12. I am ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 cc332-3GC (Link to this contribution)

In view of the debates we have had all afternoon, I am not entirely convinced that Clause 1 shoul...

Lord Moylan | 813 cc333-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a few slightly disconnected remarks that fit in well here. It is a delight and a...

Lord Howard of Rising | 813 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

I support what my noble friends Lady McIntosh and Lord Moylan have said, especially on the role o...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 813 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

I join my noble friend Lady McIntosh in opposing this clause standing part, because any Conservat...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 813 cc334-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I would like to follow those last comments from the noble Lord. Earlier, we discussed the differe...

Lord Benyon | 813 cc336-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lady McIntosh of Pickering for the opportunity to explain the approach be...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c337GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received two requests to speak after the Minister, from the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, and ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 813 cc337-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was just reflecting as I listened to the Minister. He said how important it was to ha...

Lord Benyon | 813 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

It would be the height of arrogance to say that I was just going to walk into this Committee Room...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 813 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the Minister to completely disregard anything that the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, s...

Lord Benyon | 813 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness has made her point very clearly, and it is on the record.

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, it is not within my powers to strike anything from Hansard. I call the noble Ba...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 813 cc339-340GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all who have spoken in this debate, particularly those who have expressed their ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 813 c340GC (Link to this contribution)

The Committee stands adjourned. I remind Members to sanitise their desks and chairs before leavin...

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