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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Lords committee stage fifth day. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Clause 6 agreed. Part 2 of 3.

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789 cc1115-1170 

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2017-19

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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
Bills
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twelfth report.
Wednesday, 31 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Wednesday, 7 March 2018
Parliamentary proceedings
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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Wednesday, 7 March 2018
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Deposited Paper DEP2018-0255
Tuesday, 13 March 2018
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 789 c1115 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

57: Clause 6, page 3, line 38, leave out from...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 789 cc1115-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 57 in my name is to Clause 6(3) which says:

“Any question as to the val...


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Lord Krebs | 789 cc1117-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to speak to Amendment 58, in my name and those of the noble Baronesses, L...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 789 c1118 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, has explained why these recitals and preambles are so impor...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 cc1118-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is also added to Amendment 58 and I support the very compelling case made by th...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 789 c1119 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would have thought it was clear that when we are incorporating EU law into United Kin...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 789 c1119 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in that case, what is the point of not keeping them in?

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 789 c1119 (Link to this contribution)

There is no question of not leaving them in. They will be left in in any case. There is no questi...

Lord Whitty | 789 cc1119-1120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to challenge the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, on points of law, but ...

Baroness Featherstone | 789 c1120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 58 in the name of noble Lord, Lord Krebs. I was greatly relieved by...

Lord Goldsmith | 789 cc1120-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments fall into two, possibly three, groups. I shall start with the group th...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 789 cc1122-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what I am about to say is designed to help—although whether it achieves that may of cou...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 789 c1123 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 58. This comes down very simply to the fact that, as a result of th...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 cc1123-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first of all perhaps I may observe that, pursuant to Clause 3 of the Bill:

“Direc...

Lord Goldsmith | 789 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

I intervene on the Minister before he moves on to that topic. If the words that the noble Barones...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I am entirely following the noble and learned Lord’s point. To express it this...

Lord Goldsmith | 789 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the noble and learned Lord and the Committee will permit me to intervene, because it ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 cc1124-5 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, it could all be interpreted with reference to retained case law. Clause 6(6) says:<...

Lord Goldsmith | 789 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

That is why I did not stand up, because I think that it is better if we discuss it outside the Co...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

So be it. And there was me thinking that I was being clear.

I shall touch on Amendments 58 ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 789 c1126 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble and learned Lord for his response. I appreciate that some of what I was trying ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 cc1126-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

66: After Clause 6, insert the following new Cl...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 cc1127-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment stands in my name and those of the noble Lords, Lord Krebs and Lord Debe...

Lord Judd | 789 c1129 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judd

67: After Clause 6, after (4)(b) insert—

“( ) protecting, en...

Lord Judd | 789 cc1129-1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I endorse every word that my noble friend said. There is nothing more important, it see...

Lord Wigley | 789 cc1130-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 317 in this group. Before I do so, I warmly endorse the comme...

Lord Krebs | 789 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendments 112 and 113, which are in my name and those of the noble Baro...

Countess of Mar | 789 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hate to interrupt my noble friend but he is not moving his amendment now; he is speak...

Lord Krebs | 789 cc1131-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lady Mar for that correction. As well as speaking to my amendment, I shal...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 789 cc1134-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 66, to which I have added my name; Amendment 67 in the name of the ...

Countess of Mar | 789 c1135 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness, but these amendments are about environment,...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 789 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Countess for that intervention, but I believe I have the right speech and I hop...

Countess of Mar | 789 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness again, but this is an amendment about the en...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 789 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the noble Countess is frustrated with me trying to link the environment to archae...

Lord Wigley | 789 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, my phone will not switch off.

Baroness Goldie | 789 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the noble Baroness will realise that the interruption was not a personal allusion ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 789 cc1136-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure it was not.

These principles have been the fundamental base of environmental prot...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 789 cc1137-8 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, Henry VIII powers. They have caused such concern in the environment protection world and e...

Lord Deben | 789 cc1138-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to be helpful to the Minister because I think Amendment 66, to which I have adde...

Baroness Ludford | 789 c1139 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord, Lord Deben, finishes, does he agree that one essential EU measure is the u...

Lord Deben | 789 c1139 (Link to this contribution)

I am very glad to acknowledge the noble Baroness’s point, but I have tried hard not to stray into...

Viscount Ridley | 789 c1140 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend explain something to me? He has just said “passed into our law”, but there i...

Lord Deben | 789 c1140 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that my noble friend is not right on that, for two reasons. First, all environmental law i...

Lord Pannick | 789 c1140 (Link to this contribution)

I will to try to help the noble Lord out. It is not just what the Government say; it is what is i...

Lord Deben | 789 cc1140-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am so pleased to have been supported by the noble Lord. I was rather afraid that he was going t...

Lord Rooker | 789 cc1141-2 (Link to this contribution)

The last time I checked, the environmental directorate of the EU had taken 34 cases against the U...

Baroness Byford | 789 cc1142-3 (Link to this contribution)

I shall follow the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, because I put my name to Amendment 112, which calls o...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

I will just clarify that I did not mention the 25-year environment plan. I referred to a new nati...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 789 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the anxiety of the noble Baroness, Lady Byford, about the timescales, particula...

Viscount Ridley | 789 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

Let me give the noble Baroness the chance to get her voice back by intervening on what she knows ...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 789 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could continue our long-standing discussion with the noble Viscount outside the Chamber...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 789 cc1144-5 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to my Amendment 67A, which sets food production within the context of Amendment 66....

Earl of Caithness | 789 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to Amendments 112 and 113 and support what has been said by the noble Lord, Lord Ro...

Lord Deben | 789 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not also important that the funding should in some way be protected? One of the real ways t...

Earl of Caithness | 789 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very valid point. Whatever Government are in power have always found funding bodies an ...

Countess of Mar | 789 cc1145-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 66 and the words of my noble friend Lord Krebs. I put in a note of ...

Baroness Featherstone | 789 cc1146-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 108, to which I added my name. We have become used to rely...

Lord Renfrew of Kaimsthorn | 789 cc1147-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 66 and, in particular, to indicate my concern that these en...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 789 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a passionate environmental campaigner, I am distressed by the Government’s attempt t...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 789 cc1148-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 66, 108, 112, 113 and 317, but noble Lords will be glad to hear th...

Lord Cormack | 789 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to make two very brief points. First, I want to endorse entirely what my noble f...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc1149-1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issue of environmental protection was widely debated during the Bill’s passage thro...

Lord Krebs | 789 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is the Minister familiar with Einstein’s theory of relativity? The reason I ask is beca...

Lord Callanan | 789 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

I will take that as an observation rather than a question.

Amendments 66 and 67 would preju...

Lord Deben | 789 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has explained that some things are already there. Can he give me an undertaking t...

Lord Callanan | 789 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give an assurance that we would do that. This is about legal certainty—taking a snapshot...

Lord Deben | 789 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

I have not said “new powers” or talked about creating legal certainty. He keeps using that phrase...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc1152-3 (Link to this contribution)

If a new amendment is put forward, of course we will look at it and consider its legal implicatio...

Lord Adonis | 789 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that the Government are “considering”; does that mean that they might propose t...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc1153-5 (Link to this contribution)

This is a matter for the negotiations but it is certainly one of the factors we are considering. ...

Baroness Crawley | 789 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

We understand that consultation has yet to start on this new watchdog—that is, on the type of wat...

Lord Callanan | 789 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her interest in this. I am sure she will understand that I cannot ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 789 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has given us a trailer on the consultation for the new agricultural system. Will h...

Lord Callanan | 789 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord is aware, I said that the common agricultural policy is based on land-based pro...

Lord Wigley | 789 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

On that very point, if there is going to be a new, overarching agricultural Bill, will the Minist...

Lord Callanan | 789 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I believe Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will be able to pursue their own policies in ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everyone who has contributed to this debate, and I thank the Minister for tryin...

Lord Deben | 789 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask a single question. Would the noble Baroness be willing to sit down with the Min...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 cc1157-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, absolutely. In fact, I would go further than that. I am sure that we could provide the evide...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 789 c1158 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

70A: After Clause 6, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 789 cc1158-1161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 70A stands in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Low of Dalston, and th...

Lord Adonis | 789 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have four amendments in this group. They raise exactly the same issues as those raise...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 789 cc1160-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 70A, to which I have added my name. It has a forward-looking approa...

Lord Low of Dalston | 789 cc1162-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too rise to speak in support of Amendment 70A, which has just been moved by the noble...

Lord Cashman | 789 c1164 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to speak in favour of these amendments. I preface my remarks by saying t...

Baroness Whitaker | 789 c1164 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to this group of amendments for all the reasons so eloquently set out ...

Lord Judd | 789 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope we are not going to end up with a minimalist position whereby if there is anythi...

Baroness Crawley | 789 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support these amendments. The further embedding of equality principles in our le...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 789 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace of Tankerness: assuming the amendment pr...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 789 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard repeatedly and correctly in the Chamber, given the Government’s assurance...

Lord Low of Dalston | 789 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, does not want to respond to the question f...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 789 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry but that is not exactly the question, which was on the effect of the retaine...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 789 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I will wait before I respond.

Lord Callanan | 789 cc1166-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, will have the opportunity to respond to the question po...

Lord Cashman | 789 c1167 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I asked him a direct question about the sifting committee and whet...

Lord Callanan | 789 c1167 (Link to this contribution)

I think my noble friend the Leader will be setting out our proposals for the sifting committee in...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 789 cc1167-1170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who took part in this debate and I thank the Minister for his r...

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