European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

How would the noble Lord’s proposed new provision work in the event of there being no agreement a...

As I understand it, all that we include depends on there being an agreement. It is not just my am...

My Lords, I fully support my noble friend’s decision to raise these questions, which are very imp...

My Lords—

I will give way in a moment.

The question is whether we want the rights of EU citizens to b...

I am most grateful to the noble Lord, but he must not put words into my mouth. I simply asked a s...

The noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, is clearly saying that he thinks there is a real possibility we are...

The noble Lord said that we seem to be able to crash out and to have no deal as a bargaining chip...

The point I am focusing on is that this is our opportunity to guarantee the rights of EU citizens...

My Lords, I deeply regret and resent the fact that we are having to discuss this and waste the Ho...

My Lords, as someone who is a co-signatory of the amendment that was moved by the noble Lord, Lor...

Did the noble and learned Lord notice that in the Prime Minister’s Statement on Monday, she speci...

It is not only appropriate as a further role, but one we have already agreed to. As the noble Lor...

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Foulkes and I will speak to Amendment 54, which stands i...

My Lords, I have put my name to Amendment 52, which was spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes...

The noble Lord is making an extremely good speech with which I agree so I am sorry to break in. H...

I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dykes, for his helpful intervention. We are all Europe...

I want to present to the Committee an observation: according to the December agreement reached by...

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for introducing that point; I was going to move on to it a li...

Do we not have a particular responsibility for the smallest group of citizens for which this Gove...

I am sure we shall we come on to the position of Gibraltar in greater detail at another time. In ...

I am grateful to the noble Lord. Currently, a British lawyer, dentist or doctor can practise in a...

Of course, this amendment provides a mechanism to create a redress for people who feel that they ...

My Lords, of particular interest to me in this Bill is the way in which ordinary people would be ...

I will stay away from the law on this, but when it comes to travel and so on to the EU, is there ...

I am not sure that is the case at all. It is very likely that visas will be introduced.

It may well be that we benefit from a visa waiver but it is also likely that we will have to appl...

Absolutely. Whatever happens, we will be at a disadvantage to everyone else in Europe and that is...

My Lords, I support the amendment. When this whole matter originally came before the House, we ha...

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 211, which is in my name and deals with our rights but in a ...

I am most grateful to the noble Lord and I understand the point he is making about international ...

I do trust Britain to set its own standards, I just do not want to see them lowered. I am concern...

On that point, why does the noble Lord not think it possible that we might set higher standards, ...

I would very much welcome setting higher standards and am sure that all noble Lords would do so. ...

My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that in her speech last week, the Prime Minister said that sh...

The noble Lord is absolutely right and in a later amendment, I will call on the Government to set...

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 202, which is in the name of my noble friend Lady Smith of N...

Will the noble Baroness explain how we could possibly deal with several million people unless we ...

There could be a simple declaratory process. If any parliamentarians in this Chamber have ever ha...

I am very puzzled as to how any of this is relevant to the Bill we are discussing. Does the noble...

It is highly relevant to whether people are being guaranteed their existing rights to legally res...

My Lords, I want to make two short points. The first is that the precedent of giving rights in ot...

Just to clarify, my amendment does not suggest that—quite the reverse. It would be the British co...

I think that is meant to be an intervention, because I have not quite finished. The situation is ...

My Lords, I would like to intervene, following what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, has ...

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord. The point made by the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, in m...

I have listened with great care to what the noble and learned Lord has said but I cannot look int...

Before the noble and learned Lord sits down, in summary, was he saying that the amendment of the ...

With great respect, I would not put it in that way. It has given me an opportunity to bring forwa...

My Lords, I speak not as a lawyer—I find it difficult to follow some of these legal arguments—but...

My Lords, I support the amendments. I speak not as a grandmother, although I am one, but as someb...

My Lords, if there is to be a commitment to the highest standards of protection of citizens’ righ...

My Lords, Amendments 160 and 170 are in my name and they would prevent regulations being made und...

My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that the issue is important not only to those who might be th...

Perhaps I may respond to the noble Baroness and make one further brief point. The noble and learn...

My Lords, I want to concentrate on the last point made by my noble friend Lord Adonis and on the ...

My Lords, I am pleased to be able—I use that term advisedly—to respond to the issues raised in th...

It is not a treaty.

It is not yet a treaty, if I can anticipate the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, because the position of...

Can the noble and learned Lord explain to the House the difference between consensus and agreemen...

One has to be careful in the matter of language. We are at one with regard to the first part of w...

We all hope that this agreement, or whatever word it is, is fixed soon, but it could be quite lat...

With respect to the noble Baroness, businesses affect individuals, so it is not appropriate to tr...

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord and I hear what he is saying about the duality princi...

At the present time, no, but we are only now undertaking the detailed negotiation of the withdraw...

My noble and learned friend is being very honest with the Committee, but in a way that gives me s...

With respect, no, my Lords, because we are not in a position to guarantee that which has been arr...

My noble and learned friend is talking in the context of this being an international treaty that ...

My Lords—

With great respect to the noble Baroness, I think that I must respond to my noble friend Lady McI...

We have always understood that we cannot unilaterally guarantee in the context of what is now hap...

Ha!

Yes, I would say to the sedentary noble Lord.

With respect to the noble Baroness—who I think invited me to drop all the mire; I am not sure wha...

My Lords—

Perhaps I may make a little progress.

The noble Baroness, Lady Ludford, also raised the que...

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord and I am following what he is saying. Is he in fact c...

No, my Lords, there will not be two classes of citizens. Let us take a simple example. If I hold ...

Will the noble and learned Lord clarify a point raised earlier by the noble Lord, Lord Wigley? Wh...

Gibraltar is an overseas territory whose people hold UK citizenship. However, if they do not reta...

As I understand it, they can get a Spanish passport if they so wish, although I do not think that...

This seems to confuse a number of different issues because the parallels are the same as those in...

If, as I am sure we both do not want, the withdrawal agreement is not reached, what then happens ...

With respect, if there were no agreement, then it would be for this sovereign Parliament to decid...

I wonder if I could put one point to the noble and learned Lord before he sits down. As ever, wha...

I am most obliged to the noble Lord, if only for the compliment. As I sought to explain, we have ...

Does the noble and learned Lord envisage that Her Majesty’s Government might resile from any of t...

I do not even imagine that Her Majesty’s Government would wish to do anything of the sort.

My Lords, one of my comrades, if I may use that word in this place, commented that I was unduly b...

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. Could he add that European Union citizens will be allowed ...

Indeed, and as I understand it, if I read the Evening Standard right, they are going to send a ve...

Before my noble friend concludes, does he share my concern about what the Minister said about the...

It is unusual for me to intervene, but I feel that if the noble Lord is going to make statements,...

It is a very interesting point, and the noble Lord, Lord Patten, highlighted it in his interventi...

Does the noble Lord agree that although on the legalities we have heard an extremely lucid explan...

I am obliged to the noble Lord, Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, for pointing out that although the Minis...

It is worth pointing out that these citizens have existing rights by law in this country, and tha...

The noble and learned Lord is a distinguished lawyer and had great distinction as the Lord Chance...

That does not appear to be entirely relevant to the present debate and it is a bit late anyway. I...

I think now it would be appropriate for me to beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

Moved by

Lord Bassam of Brighton

51: Clause 6, page 3, line 33, at end insert “subjec...

My Lords, I rather hope that the modest amendments in my name do not take the House two hours to ...

My noble friend is absolutely right that this is not a small or insignificant matter. It is an im...

My Lords, this may have been a short debate but it concerns a significant issue, and I am gratefu...

I apologise for not having properly identified the noble Baroness, Lady Goldie, as the Minister r...

I thank the noble and learned Lord for his point, but I am afraid my response is going to be slig...

I am grateful to the Minister for her response. She partly satisfied my concern, but not wholly. ...

Moved by

Lord Pannick

55: Clause 6, page 3, line 34, leave out subsection (2) and ins...

My Lords, the two amendments in this group address the important question of the weight, if any, ...

My Lords, there is little to add to the excellent introduction made to these amendments by the no...

My Lords, Clause 6 is concerned with the issue of how the large body of retained EU law is to be ...

The noble and learned Lord has made a number of strong statements to the Committee about the impa...

I suspect that the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, whose amendment it is, is better placed to answer. M...

My Lords, I hesitate to follow the very careful analysis of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Neub...

Cherry-picking.

Not at all. It is curing the curate’s egg and producing an acceptable piece of guidance which has...

Having your cake and eating it.

No, this is analysis. Let me explain what I would like to do.

I quite like the words of Cla...

Would Amendment 55 tabled in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Adonis not deal with the no...

I am very grateful to the noble Lord and I apologise for not having paid due regard to that formu...

My Lords, perhaps I may add a few words, simply because of the devoted affection in the Bill for ...

My Lords, I rather agree that “appropriate” is not particularly desirable. I wonder whether putti...

Does the noble Lord have any reaction to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, about th...

I take that point from the noble and learned Lord. I wait to hear from the Minister why he consid...

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Foulkes and I are basking in the judicial praise we have received ...

There is no doubt that there has to be judicial discretion, the question is the extent to which g...

The word “relevant” does not, in any normal meaning of the word, mean legally relevant, any more ...

My Lords, can I make a confession before we go further? I cannot claim credit for the wording of ...

My Lords, if the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, is wondering why the word “appropriate” does not fit in...

My Lords, with respect to the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick said in ...

My Lords, given the time, it may be relevant, appropriate or even helpful to try to wind up this ...

Does my noble and learned friend agree that, in all fairness, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Ke...

I am grateful for that unexpected intervention from my own Front Bench, but I am happy to take th...

My Lords, I, too, am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for making that point. I would add...

I know I will not be popular by holding things up, but the Minister was specifically asked if he ...

I am not going to elaborate at this stage because, as I say, the Government are going to go away ...

I am very grateful to the Minister for that encouraging response, and I am grateful to the noble ...

Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, as I suspect he is going to do, can I ask him to c...

I entirely agree with the noble and learned Lord. I think I said in opening this debate that it i...