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Housing and Planning Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Thursday, 10 March 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (fifth day, part one). Clause 67, amendments discussed and withdrawn.

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Session

2015-16

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Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Housing and Planning Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 13 January 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twentieth report.
Wednesday, 3 February 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0357
Wednesday, 13 April 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 769 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Kennedy of Southwark

61: Clause 67, page 29, line 33, at end insert “wh...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 769 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this morning we are discussing groups of amendments concerning the high-value vacant pr...


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Baroness D'Souza | 769 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should remind the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendm...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 769 cc1409-1411 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak in support of this group of amendments, and specifically to Amendment 6...

Lord Kerslake | 769 cc1411-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak in favour of Amendment 62A and the wider group in which my amendment sits...

Lord Horam | 769 c1412 (Link to this contribution)

I am with the noble Lord on manifesto fundamentalism: I, too, think that we should not go too far...

Lord Kerslake | 769 cc1412-4 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord raises a very relevant issue, but just to be clear, what was offered in the manife...

Lord Best | 769 cc1414-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Kerslake—although he does not need very much support—and...

Baroness Janke | 769 c1415 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this group of amendments. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Best, f...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene seeking clarification. I am a little perturbed about some of the new rent l...

Lord Horam | 769 cc1418-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are having a very productive debate on this issue, and many other aspects of the hou...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

Is there not also a danger that that £103,900 discount could rise? If the property for sale in ce...

Lord Horam | 769 cc1419-1420 (Link to this contribution)

That is the problem that produces the large discounts necessary to make the scheme work. The nobl...

Lord Beecham | 769 cc1420-1 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the noble Lord that I knew him before he changed his views and the first of his parties....

Lord Horam | 769 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

No, I would not, because, frankly, they have not done it and they would not. That is the dilemma ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 cc1421-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard some very powerful speeches. I certainly do not wish to repeat, to the bo...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 cc1422-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a very brief contribution to this debate as we enter another controversial ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

After 40% cuts more generally and 1% cuts on council rents in particular per year, coming up to 1...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

I would not be surprised at all if some local authorities use the discretion under the Bill not t...

Lord Foster of Bath | 769 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

When the noble Lord signed up to the Conservative manifesto, what understanding did he have of th...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

Not surplus but vacant—in other words, as a tenancy comes to an end, the property then becomes va...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 cc1423-4 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just finish this point? The noble Lord, Lord Best, made the point very effectively that in ...

Lord Beecham | 769 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the noble Lord’s argument predicated on the sale taking place when the property is vacant?...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

Consultation is going on at the moment to discover at what rate local authority properties become...

Lord Kerslake | 769 cc1424-5 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I just want to make a few points. The first is that of course th...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point that the noble Lord is making but he may recall an intervention that I mad...

Lord Tope | 769 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have very many reasons to be grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake, but I suspec...

Lord Young of Cookham | 769 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord think that the commitment on tuition fees may possibly fall into that definit...

Lord Tope | 769 cc1425-7 (Link to this contribution)

It may well do, my Lords, but I will resist the temptation to be distracted in that direction.

Earl of Lytton | 769 cc1426-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for being late on parade this morning due to my travel arr...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that while his figure of a 20% discount may make perfectly good sense i...

Earl of Lytton | 769 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is absolutely right. There is a great temptation to look at this in terms of L...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 769 cc1429-1430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak, I should refer to my previous declarations of interest. I am not sure w...

Earl of Lytton | 769 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may just explain that I was reiterating a piece of evidence that came before ...

Lord Shipley | 769 cc1430-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we should be grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Porter, for his contribution because he h...

Lord True | 769 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Shipley. He knows how greatly I ...

Lord Shipley | 769 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

I will clarify that matter. I agree entirely that it would have been much better had the Bill sta...

Lord True | 769 cc1432-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the answer is yes.

I have listened with intense interest to the debate. I...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord expand on his first point, which concerned the situation of stock transfer au...

Lord True | 769 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if you do not have a housing revenue account the levy does not apply. Even so, I do not...

Lord True | 769 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 67(4) says that a determination may not be made in respect of a local housing authority th...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

Yet some of us have been assured, as my noble friend says, that Clause 68(3) was drafted precisel...

Lord Kerslake | 769 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a fairly simple explanation for this. An authority that has already transferre...

Lord True | 769 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had noticed the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake. He will not b...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake, for that explanation. In that case, it means that there is...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 769 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope nobody thinks that this is about one type of council cross-subsidising another t...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

But councils with retained stock—and that stock is not coming forward as fast as government would...

Lord Best | 769 cc1436-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Porter, and the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, are in agreement on t...

Lord True | 769 c1437 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to delay the Committee on a specific point, but since the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c1437 (Link to this contribution)

Confusion has arisen over Clauses 67(4) and 68(3) regarding the ambiguity of the word “disposes”,...

Lord Carrington of Fulham | 769 cc1437-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intended to speak on the next group of amendments but, since my noble friend Lord Tru...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc1438-1441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I respond to the amendments, I will make, as I did last week, some introductory ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 769 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Baroness say whether this will take into account regional and area variations in ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister also tell us whether all this information—and as a result, the Government’s esti...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what is absolutely certain is that this is precisely what we will be consulting local a...

Lord Shipley | 769 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

We are here on day five in Committee on the Bill and the Government are still part-way through a ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can confirm that your Lordships’ frustration is equally felt by me.

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that this will all be in regulations, none of which we in this House wi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

The most important part of this is that discussions with your Lordships and local authorities wil...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

If the Government are placing crucial policy decisions beyond the possibility of amendment in thi...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

That will put some of us in a very difficult position. Some of us always refuse to vote on fatal ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

One thing I will commit to is to meet with noble Lords before the draft regulations come in, on a...

Lord Foster of Bath | 769 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s offer to have such meetings, but of course they will probably ta...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc1442-4 (Link to this contribution)

To answer the noble Lord’s point, I am well aware of what the DPRRC has said about this, and I th...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 769 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

How is this an efficient use of assets? It seems to me a most cumbersome, inefficient tax and rai...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord and I will disagree on this but it is incumbent on owners, whether private...

Lord Kerslake | 769 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

I am intensely aware of just how long we have gone on but I cannot let that point pass. It is ess...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is both but I take the noble Lord’s point. I am sure that, as time goes on, we will ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1446 (Link to this contribution)

If I could just conclude, the noble Baroness can then intervene.

We are making changes in t...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1446 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would be helpful if the Minister, when she made the statement about the reduction in...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc1446-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, regarding whether the Chancellor benefits, my point is that this will be of benefit to ...

Lord Shipley | 769 c1447 (Link to this contribution)

I just want the Minister to understand the importance of this policy. Our red line is the compuls...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1447 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the noble Lord says, and if there is particular need in an area for a specific ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 769 c1447 (Link to this contribution)

Am I right to say that those 165 local authorities will be cross-subsidising not only the right t...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is correct that the policy will apply only in those local authorities that ope...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 769 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure that I declared it at the opening of the debate, but I am an elected coun...

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