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Armed Forces Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 3 March 2016, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 15 to 22 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

769 cc147-206GC 

Session

2015-16

Department

Ministry of Defence

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Armed Forces Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 12 January 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0458
Wednesday, 11 May 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Henig | 769 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn ...

Lord Craig of Radley | 769 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Craig of Radley

10: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—


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Lord Craig of Radley | 769 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is clearly a probing amendment. It flies in the face of the norm that there is, in...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

I just want to make one or two short points. It is interesting that while the noble and gallant L...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 769 cc148-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I indicated at Second Reading, I, too, am entirely sympathetic to the general feelin...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 769 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not able to speak at Second Reading, and I would like to briefly reassure the nob...

Earl Attlee | 769 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the concerns of the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig. I am particularly conce...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 cc149-150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we recognise that there is an issue in this area, but, according to my understanding of...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 cc150-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is no limitation on serious criminal cases, and that is part of the criminal law....

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 769 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to be tiresome but combat immunity, as I understand it, has never applied in the co...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps it could be used as a criminal law concept. Perhaps the lawyers would like to think about...

Earl Howe | 769 cc151-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would introduce a time bar on bringing prosecutions against members of t...

Lord Empey | 769 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl referred there to hoping that investigations would be brought to a speedy conclusi...

Earl Howe | 769 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can confirm to the noble Lord, Lord Empey, that IHAT—as it is known—will be in place ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl seemed to say something fairly profound there about support for service personnel ...

Earl Howe | 769 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall be happy to write to the noble Lord with further and better particulars on that issue. I ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

Following the precedent of other Bills, when the Minister writes to me could he copy in any the n...

Lord Craig of Radley | 769 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank all those who have spoken in this short debate. I made it very clear tha...

Earl Attlee | 769 cc153-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

12: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Ope...

Earl Attlee | 769 c154GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the past, servicepeople living in barracks or the equivalent were charged for their ...

Baroness Jolly | 769 cc154-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have had some experience recently in several officers’ messes of the Royal Navy, whic...

Earl Attlee | 769 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister and the Opposition Front Bench reply, the noble Baroness made a ver...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not intend to speak on this, but I will say a couple of words—not that I try to e...

Lord Touhig | 769 cc155-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we all agree that having a healthy meal and good food inside us is important for increa...

Earl Howe | 769 cc156-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the initiative of my noble friend in reminding us that the health and well-be...

Earl Attlee | 769 c157GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. The thing t...

Earl Howe | 769 c157GC (Link to this contribution)

I will gladly look at what is available. On the face of it, I see no problem in releasing the con...

Earl Attlee | 769 c157GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that undertaking. The noble Lord, Lord Touhig, tempted me to table a sui...

Lord Judd | 769 cc157-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judd

13: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Enlis...

Lord Judd | 769 cc158-161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment, I should first say that the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, conta...

Earl of Dundee | 769 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Judd, and the noble Baroness, Lad...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 cc161-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment from my noble friend Lord Judd is clearly designed to cover the general i...

Earl Howe | 769 cc162-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much welcome the interest of the noble Lord, Lord Judd, in this issue, and his r...

Lord Judd | 769 cc165-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his characteristically full and sensitive reply....

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Gresford

17: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 cc166-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in 2006 I moved an amendment in these terms to the 2006 Bill with the support of my nob...

Earl Attlee | 769 cc167-170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for raising the issue of inqu...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 769 cc170-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak to this amendment; I ought to be better prepared. Down the ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is one aspect of this amendment to which I think I should draw attention. It aris...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there were specific provisions in the Coroners Act 2009 relating to investigations in S...

Earl Attlee | 769 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, talked about training fatalities. My view is tha...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a certain sympathy with what the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, has said. Indeed, I th...

Earl Attlee | 769 cc172-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the partial support from the noble Lord. I have read the Army’s casualty proced...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

In the Navy, the rules are not quite so direct, but you are given guidance to be sure that you do...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Touhig, who drew my attention to a Scottish television repo...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

We have gone down the route of the coronial system. As Plato said, only the dead see the end of w...

Viscount Slim | 769 cc173-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to give noble Lords an example of an incident that might have involved an inquest and lesson...

Lord Touhig | 769 cc174-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. This debate is very important and shows that there has been a degree o...

Earl Howe | 769 cc175-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I found this an extremely interesting debate and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, f...

Earl Attlee | 769 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response to my amendment. I have a wicked question to ...

Earl Howe | 769 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is right that that is a question from left field because I do not think I can ans...

Earl Attlee | 769 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not really expect the Minister to give me a precise figure, but I am very grateful to him fo...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, those of us who were around in 2009 will recall the great controversy in the Coroners a...

Earl Attlee | 769 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

18: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Gui...

Earl Attlee | 769 cc177-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 19 and 20. This group of amendments explores when a re...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 cc178-180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on Amendment 18, which seeks clarity, we have nothing to add and look forward to the Mi...

Earl Howe | 769 cc180-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for setting out the rationale for his Amendment 18. Ho...

Earl Attlee | 769 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who contributed. The Minister gave me exactly the answ...

Earl Attlee | 769 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

20A: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Ca...

Earl Attlee | 769 cc181-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a short probing amendment to explore where the Government are on the issue of a...

Baroness Jolly | 769 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure the noble Earl, Lord Howe, will correct me if I have this wrong when he sums ...

Earl Attlee | 769 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did touch on subsection (3), the purpose of which is to ensure that we do not prohibi...

Baroness Jolly | 769 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Earl for that clarification. I rather suspected that that was what he was going...

Earl Attlee | 769 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my worry is that, if the Government decide that, yes, we can have females serve in the ...

Baroness Jolly | 769 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the noble Earl is trying to get at. Conversations I have had about this suggest...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we know very well that women can be amazingly brave. We have always been willing in war...

Lord Touhig | 769 cc185-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, more than 20 years ago, as a parliamentary candidate in Richmond in west London, I addr...

Earl Howe | 769 cc186-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment proposed by my noble friend would have the effect of excluding women from...

Earl Attlee | 769 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate. I am not surprised...

Earl Howe | 769 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I endeavour to give my noble friend that absolute assurance. We are clear that physical...

Earl Attlee | 769 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my position is that the solution outlined in my amendment is the right one. In other wo...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord West of Spithead

21: After Clause 15, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord West of Spithead | 769 cc188-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, mesothelioma is a most dreadful disease, as we all know—and very difficult to pronounce...

Earl Howe | 769 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, without wishing to preclude further debate on this amendment, it may be for the benefit...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 769 cc189-192GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble and gallant Lord today in Committee. I apolo...

Lord Empey | 769 cc192-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments and welcome the statement from the Minister. It was sobering w...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 769 cc193-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, welcome the Government’s announcement proposing compensation for service person...

Baroness Jolly | 769 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my congratulation to those of other noble Lords to everyone who campaigned for th...

Lord Touhig | 769 cc194-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not intend to repeat the very important questions put by other noble Lords. I just...

Earl Attlee | 769 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the progress that has been made by the Government in expanding the sc...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 769 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help the noble Earl because his noble friend Lord Prior of Brampton has been extrao...

Earl Howe | 769 cc195-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord West of Spithead, for raising this critical issue. Mesothe...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned necessary legislative changes. Is it the Government’s intention to use the...

Earl Howe | 769 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my understanding is that this can be done by secondary legislation.

Lord West of Spithead | 769 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have spoken. It shows the concern that we all have about this dre...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 769 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

22A: After Clause 17, insert the following ne...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 769 cc197-201GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I sense that the horse is heading for the stable, and at an increasing rate, so I will ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 769 cc200-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the probing amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson. He is absolutely rig...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 769 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will recall that I asked a Question on this topic two or three weeks ago. I support ...

Lord Touhig | 769 cc202-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, living as we do in a time when news reporting is constant, continuous and around the cl...

Earl Howe | 769 cc203-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Hodgson for introducing his amendment, which woul...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 769 cc204-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all who have participated in this short debate—the noble Baroness and ...

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