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Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 5 November 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (first day, part one). Clauses 1-3 and Schedule 1, agreed to. Schedule 2 under consideration.

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749 cc116-171 

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2013-14

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Proceeding contributions

Lord Hardie | 749 c117 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hardie

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out “carry on the business of...

Lord Hardie | 749 cc117-120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment I also wish to speak to Amendments 4, 6, 46, 53, 59 to 62, 66,...


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Lord Brougham and Vaux | 749 c120 (Link to this contribution)

I advise the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to I cannot call Amendment 2 due to pre-e...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 cc120-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to my amendments in this group which seek to achieve the same aim as Am...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 cc121-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 1, moved by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hardie—perhaps I shoul...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 cc122-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unfortunately I was unable to attend the Second Reading of the Bill due to the fact tha...

Lord Dubs | 749 cc124-5 (Link to this contribution)

I had to go abroad on the day of Second Reading and I very much regret that I was unable to make ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me start by stressing that lobbying is a normal, valuable, regular aspect of any he...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c125 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talks about the system he has to use. Did he listen to the contribution from the nob...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take that on board. The question of designing a system that is easily accessible to e...

Lord Tyler | 749 c125 (Link to this contribution)

If wonder if I can help my noble friend, and the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours. There is a sp...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c126 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are more persuaded from other countries that have the light-touch system we are prop...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 c126 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister goes on to the detail of those, I think he has not answered the poi...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc126-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there was considerable concern while the previous Government were in office that consul...

Lord Hardie | 749 c127 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not accept that charities would be exempt in terms of the schedule because what...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c127 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I do accept that. I am a member of the National Trust. Yesterday I received an...

Lord Wigley | 749 c127 (Link to this contribution)

A little earlier, the noble Lord mentioned that the Government favoured a light touch. In case th...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c128 (Link to this contribution)

That is, again, a fair point, which the Government will look at. We are extending regulation into...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 c128 (Link to this contribution)

I come back to my noble friend’s point about who would be included in the register. He gave the f...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc128-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that stretches my expertise very considerably. I will have to consult and write to the ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 749 c129 (Link to this contribution)

Is a consultant lobbyist somebody who has more than one client? Is that what constitutes a consul...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c129 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is a very fair intervention. That is one of the reasons why we hesitate to include...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 cc129-130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hardie, responds, my noble friend has really no...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c130 (Link to this contribution)

If I might add to that, particularly if there are only 350 registrations.

Lord Hardie | 749 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords for their contributions to this short debate and to the Minister for...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c130 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Campbell-Savours

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, after “lobbying” insert “...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 cc130-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment would inject the words “of government” after the words in Clause 1(1):

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Lord Hardie | 749 cc131-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 24, which is in this group. In doing so, I wish also to spea...

Lord Rooker | 749 cc133-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 23, some of whose content has been covered, and 26. Before ...

Lord Tyler | 749 cc134-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 25, which is in my name and that of my noble friend, and is a...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 749 c137 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that the noble Lord is quoting from a book, but I point out that recent figur...

Lord Tyler | 749 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am absolutely aware of what the noble Baroness has said, and I will come to that very point. Of...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c138 (Link to this contribution)

Did I mishear the noble Lord when he said that adding hundreds to the list would lead to delay? S...

Lord Tyler | 749 cc138-9 (Link to this contribution)

I referred specifically to the non-ministerial government departments, on which the noble Lord, L...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 c139 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have amendments in the grouping as well. My amendments have similar aims to those of ...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 749 cc139-141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, provided that “...

Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 749 c141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, I was a Permanent Secretary for some 10 years and, unli...

Lord Dubs | 749 c142 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was a very junior Minister in Northern Ireland and, of course, was being lobbied all ...

Lord Aberdare | 749 c143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to the whole debate thus far this afternoon and I confess that I, too, ...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 749 cc143-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I understood the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, correctly, he feels that more restraint sho...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 749 cc145-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise, with my very messy notes, to support Amendment 3 in the name of my noble friend...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc147-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will first answer some of the specific questions raised. I reassure the noble Lord, L...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 749 c148 (Link to this contribution)

I have never been criticised for being civil.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc148-9 (Link to this contribution)

Both of those services were as opposed to the military service—and I am not sure that I would thi...

Lord Rooker | 749 c149 (Link to this contribution)

There is an organisation in the Civil Service that they all want to belong to—the Top 200. It is ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c149 (Link to this contribution)

I take that. I was about to say that the issue of proportionality—how far we go—is a really diffi...

Lord Dubs | 749 c149 (Link to this contribution)

As I was one the noble Lords who mentioned that point, surely it is those civil servants who are ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c149 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps we need to discuss between Committee and Report which definition of senior civil servants...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 c149 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not understand my noble friend’s point about numbers. It is irrelevant in the sens...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c149 (Link to this contribution)

The register is of lobbyists. If we wish to include in the register every single Member of Parlia...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a very wide-ranging debate which has fully revealed the flaws and inadequac...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 c150 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

5: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, at end insert “...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 cc150-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 5, tabled in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Royall, I sha...

Lord Tyler | 749 cc151-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 78, tabled in my name and those of my noble friends, attacks—if that is the a...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc152-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Opposition’s proposed amendment would prohibit lobbying unless the person had signe...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 cc153-4 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that that reply was written before I made my speech. I made it very clear that I do not wa...

Lord Rooker | 749 c154 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rooker

10: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, leave out “and in return for paym...

Lord Rooker | 749 cc154-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a few probing amendments in this group: Amendments 10, 12, 15, 30 and 51. I am n...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c155 (Link to this contribution)

I have pondered this myself. I wonder what interest it really is anyhow of anybody what a lobbyis...

Lord Rooker | 749 cc155-6 (Link to this contribution)

The point behind this is that the Bill is addressing an issue that does not really arise. The vas...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c157 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend if I misunderstood slightly what he was driving at. But ...

Lord Tyler | 749 cc157-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I read with interest Amendment 12, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, because there...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 749 cc158-9 (Link to this contribution)

I support these probing amendments from my noble friends Lord Rooker and Lord Campbell-Savours, a...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc159-160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords, in particular, the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, for the detail of the ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 749 c160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is very welcome but would that include our officials who are working in Brussels?<...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c160 (Link to this contribution)

Let me take that back and be absolutely sure. We are all conscious that, as has been said, Brusse...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 749 c160 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for what the Minister says. The other point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Royall...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in answering these amendments I set out to avoid reading out any of the note prepared b...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 749 c161 (Link to this contribution)

The question is of how policy develops in response to a development in the negotiation. Policy is...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc161-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the political process flows through a whole series of meetings. Capturing every single ...

Lord Rooker | 749 c162 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister very much for his response. What the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, said i...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 c163 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

54: Schedule 2, page 54, line 31, at end ins...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 c163 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 54 and 74 are in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Royall. We support...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 c163 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the principle in Amendment 74 of the registrar reporting is important. In my view, thou...

Lord Tyler | 749 cc164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 63 comes within this group. It is an extremely important amendment and one...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 749 c165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what my noble friend just said. It seems rather silly to have done what is re...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 749 c166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay. M...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c166 (Link to this contribution)

It seems to me that there is a bridge between the contribution of the noble Lord, Lord Norton of ...

Lord Hardie | 749 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I support this amendment, and I hope that the Minister will see his way to coming forward with an...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 749 c167 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am slightly worried about the speed which is being talked about by the noble Lords, L...

Lord Tyler | 749 c167 (Link to this contribution)

I think I should make it clear that I suggested monthly. The present arrangement is three-monthly...

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 c167 (Link to this contribution)

I add my support to my noble friend’s amendment, but it does not go far enough. Partly for the re...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc167-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am fascinated to hear this great outbreak of revolution in transparency. We thought t...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c168 (Link to this contribution)

When the Minister responded to the amendment of my noble friend Lady Hayter of Kentish Town, I he...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 cc168-170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to give that commitment now because there are larger questions about how...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 cc170-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has turned into a more interesting and wide-ranging debate than we had anticipated...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 749 c171 (Link to this contribution)

From time to time Parliament does change the structure and the nomenclature of its committees. I ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 c171 (Link to this contribution)

The words “relevant select committee” could be used.

Lord Norton of Louth | 749 c171 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, legislation does write in the name of committees or the equivalent, so it is quite...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 749 c171 (Link to this contribution)

Not only does the noble Lord, Lord Norton, supply me with his wonderful Hull students to help me ...

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