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Energy Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 23 July 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage seventh day. clauses 6 to 14, 23 to 37 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

747 cc423-480GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Energy Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 5 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1382
Wednesday, 24 July 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c423GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Jenkin of Roding

53BA: Clause 23, page 15, line 25, at end insert—

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Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc423-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the themes running through our debates on the Bill has been the need to ensure t...


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Baroness Worthington | 747 cc425-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Roding, for tabling his amend...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc426-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am at a wee bit of a loss here. My understanding was that markets operate on the basi...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c427GC (Link to this contribution)

I remind the noble Lord of some of the figures that I gave at Second Reading. I have been provide...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c427GC (Link to this contribution)

If this plant were to become necessary, the price would rise—but the “if” involved in the “were” ...

Viscount Ridley | 747 c427GC (Link to this contribution)

I had not intended to intervene on this point, but I would like to make a similar point to the no...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc428-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for this short debate, and I thank my noble friend Lord Jenkin ...

Earl of Caithness | 747 c429GC (Link to this contribution)

Should the situation be even more dire than my noble friend Lord Jenkin suggested, presumably the...

Baroness Verma | 747 c429GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I referred to that in my speaking notes. We are keen not to cause an imbalance in compe...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc429-430GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try to get the passion back into my voice. I was responding to my noble friend L...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c430GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I began my speech a few minutes ago by saying that I found the Minister’s response very...

Baroness Verma | 747 c430GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me assure my noble friend that mothballed plant will be able to participate in the ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c430GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but it will not be able to get any money until 2018-19. That is the point of this amendment....

Baroness Verma | 747 c431GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me again assure my noble friend that those who are successful in the capacity aucti...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c431GC (Link to this contribution)

That is completely new. Does the Minister mean in advance of 2018-19? No, she is being advised fr...

Lord Deben | 747 c431GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I underline what my noble friend has just said? It is extremely difficult to discuss these is...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c431GC (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend want to respond to that?

Baroness Verma | 747 c431GC (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords. I have pointed out that we intend to consult from October on the detail of implemen...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c431GC (Link to this contribution)

What my noble friend Lord Deben has said merely reinforces the condition that we will have every ...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c432GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

53BB: Clause 23, page 15, line 35, at end insert—

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc432-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is very much a probing amendment, designed to enable us to discuss again the detai...

Lord Deben | 747 cc435-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an occasion when the Committee in the House of Lords is particularly valuable t...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c436GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. I want to clarify that I am not in any way saying th...

Earl of Caithness | 747 cc436-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I could not help but smile when I heard my noble friend Lord Deben start his peroration...

Lord Berkeley | 747 c437GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend. The amendment only says “prioritise”: it does not say only l...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc437-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for bringing some sanity to this debate. I b...

Lord Deben | 747 c439GC (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, I return to the question that I asked. This is not my amendment...

Baroness Verma | 747 c439GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said in my speaking notes, I and my officials will be happy to meet noble Lords. T...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c439GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very disappointed. If the noble Baroness cares to read Hansard, she will find that...

Baroness Verma | 747 c440GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very aware that the noble Baroness is very passionate about this. I am also very aware that ...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c440GC (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, we speak to different people. Can you please answer me on whether we can see the Redpoin...

Baroness Verma | 747 c440GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am listening very carefully. I am able to listen and also try to get some responses t...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c440GC (Link to this contribution)

It would be helpful if they could come from you, would it not? But there we are. I am sorry this ...

Baroness Verma | 747 c440GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the noble Baroness has completely misunderstood the point I was trying to make....

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc440-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for my lack of respect in referring to the noble Baroness, but, as you can see, this ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc441-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not for a moment suggest that Clause 26 should not be in the Bill. I have adopted ...

Lord Grantchester | 747 cc443-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we endorse the anxieties highlighted by the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, regarding the use ...

Lord Crickhowell | 747 cc444-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not intervened before now, on hearing this afternoon’s proceedings, but the refe...

Lord Roper | 747 c445GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not intend to delay the Committee unduly on this point, but I echo what has been s...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc445-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to my noble friend Lord Jenkin and the noble Lord, Lord Grantch...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c447GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying that what my noble friend has said in response to the amendments abou...

Baroness Parminter | 747 c448GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Parminter

55ZB: After Clause 37, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Parminter | 747 cc448-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to the group of amendments on the value to the United Kingdom of a European inter...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc449-450GC (Link to this contribution)

I would like to ask those who tabled this amendment about the sources of energy that we will be i...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 747 c450GC (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend tell the Committee what is wrong with France? We have an interconnector alre...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c451GC (Link to this contribution)

We have been told that the dome is now on the power station at Flamanville, so in the not-too-dis...

Lord Berkeley | 747 c451GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the technology at Flamanville, which my noble friend said is five years late, not the same tec...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c451GC (Link to this contribution)

It is. Not only is it slow to build, but it is more expensive than some of the other kit that cou...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 cc451-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps we can get back to the amendment. I support it because connectivity is like an internatio...

Bishop of Chester | 747 cc452-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I am in a really tedious meeting I sometimes flick to my iPhone if I succumb to th...

Earl of Caithness | 747 c453GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support in principle what my noble friend Lady Parminter is proposing in this amendme...

Lord Teverson | 747 cc453-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to my Amendments 55AA and 55AD, as part of this group, but perhaps I can come to ...

Lord Deben | 747 cc454-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that my noble friend the Minister will look at these amendments as probing amend...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to make this point to the noble Lord. We have a department that at the moment cannot provi...

Lord Deben | 747 c455GC (Link to this contribution)

I knew that I should not have raised the noble Lord’s name, because it gave him the opportunity t...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc456-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is also on this amendment and I sat on the same committee, as the noble Earl, L...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc457-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friends Lady Parminter and Lord Teverson, and the noble Lord,...

Bishop of Chester | 747 c459GC (Link to this contribution)

I raised a specific point about the extent to which existing capacity, which may get as high as 1...

Baroness Verma | 747 c459GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I had a note for the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Chester, but I forgot to a...

Bishop of Chester | 747 c459GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness may want to write to me rather than answer now, but if supply gets tight under...

Baroness Verma | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it might be wise for me to write in detail to the right reverend Prelate and the Commit...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

Given that the Minister is not opposed to the amendment in principle, if the words “12 months” we...

Baroness Verma | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

I see that the debate has changed the mind of the noble Lord, Lord O’Neill, but, as with all deba...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

I am just an old hand at this game. Ministers who do not have very much to offer Committees somet...

Baroness Verma | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have said, I read Hansard with great care to see what responses I can give to nobl...

Lord Teverson | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may thank the noble Lord, Lord O’Neill, for the consideration he has given to this side...

Baroness Parminter | 747 c460GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all colleagues on both sides of the Committee for their contributions, some of whom have ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c461GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn during pleasure until 6.18 p...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c461GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

55ZC: Clause 6, page 5, line 30, at end insert—

“...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc461-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment would add a new subsection to Clause 6. We now come to the meat of the Bi...

Viscount Hanworth | 747 c463GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we know that strike prices will differ across various technologies but I query whether ...

Lord Teverson | 747 c463GC (Link to this contribution)

While I am sympathetic towards this, I have the impression that if the Government do not want thi...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc463-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for her amendment and for prompting the d...

Viscount Hanworth | 747 c464GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister answer my question?

Baroness Verma | 747 c464GC (Link to this contribution)

I am having an amnesia moment. Will the noble Viscount remind me?

Baroness Worthington | 747 c465GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. I am glad we have restored our equilibrium. We have had a ...

Lord Whitty | 747 c465GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

55ZF: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—

“Ex...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc465-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would provide for the setting up of an expert committee or advisory grou...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc467-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I express my support for the amendment. A number of the utilities are doing something on their ow...

Viscount Ridley | 747 c468GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I sympathise with a great deal of what the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, said, but I worry t...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 cc468-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the general thinking behind the amendment, which is different from the amendm...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc469-470GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my mind goes back to the group set up last year under the chairmanship of the noble Lor...

Earl of Caithness | 747 c470GC (Link to this contribution)

Given that the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, wants to formalise this proposal and put it in the Bill, ...

Lord Berkeley | 747 cc470-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to speak briefly in support of the amendment. I see it as a way of advisin...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 747 c471GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have great sympathy with what my noble friend has said. The noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh,...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc471-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, for his amendments. Amendments 55ZF and 55ZG would...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc473-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that detailed reply, and I thank my noble friends Lord O’Neill and Lady ...

Lord Berkeley | 747 c474GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

55A: Clause 9, page 7, line 29, at end insert—

“(4) Regu...

Lord Berkeley | 747 c475GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I tabled the amendment as a result of a lot of communication from the renewables sector...

Viscount Ridley | 747 c475GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that particularly in the case of offshore wind a Royal Academy of Engineering re...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 747 cc475-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I should remind your Lordships of my registered interest as a director of the Offshore Renewable ...

Earl of Caithness | 747 cc476-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my noble friend will not be lured by the special pleading of the noble Lord, Lord Ber...

Viscount Ridley | 747 c477GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I quickly intervene because I failed to declare an interest. The noble Baroness, Lady L...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 747 c477GC (Link to this contribution)

I should reassure the noble Viscount that the wind farm that I inaugurated was offshore, so he is...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c477GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Berkeley for tabling this amendment for no other ...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc477-8GC (Link to this contribution)

The amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, seeks to ensure that renewable technologies...

Lord Berkeley | 747 c478GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply and am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken o...

Earl of Caithness | 747 c478GC (Link to this contribution)

You commented that you did not like people who said that they did not like windmills; I just fall...

Lord Berkeley | 747 c478GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may suggest that if the cap fits, wear it. More seriously, as regards whether the speci...

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