My Lords, I began my speech a few minutes ago by saying that I found the Minister’s response very disappointing, and I do not think that anything she has added since then alters my reaction. I am grateful to all those who took part in the debate, and particularly the points made by the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, that it is very difficult to know how this will work until we have details of the statutory instrument that will implement it. I entirely endorse her demand that this must be available before Report so that we can make sense of it. She also agreed that we may be seeing more mothballed plants by 2020. That is an estimate that I am not in a position to either endorse or deny. She is also absolutely right that we have to get the demand side response appropriate, and I know that the Government are working on that.
The Minister said something with which I entirely agree: there must be no payments in advance. We cannot ask customers to pay for something before it actually happens. I never suggested that. If she looks at Hansard eventually she will see that I indicated, “provided the market payments can be made as soon as plant is available and commissioned”. That disposes of that argument entirely. I am not for a moment asking that payments should be made in advance. That is not how the system is supposed to work as I understand it. My noble friend also seemed to imply that we could not have different auctions for different years. For the life of me I cannot understand why it should not be possible to have an auction for people who would be able to bring back mothballed plant within, say, 18 months. If that were the conditions of the auction, the firms that have mothballed plant and could bring it back within 18 months would be able to bid for it. That does not mean that there would not be another auction, even perhaps operating in parallel. There will not be many takers in the early years. We were told the other day that contracts for CFD might be over a period—was it 60? That is the sort of numbers we are talking about. It should be perfectly possible to have different auctions for different periods with the payments made appropriate to the date of the auction. This needs to be examined more carefully and we should not just accept my noble friend’s assertion that it would simply muddle up the whole auction process. I do not believe that for a moment. We can be a great deal more subtle than that.
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