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Russian Interference in UK Politics

Backbench debate on Thursday, 21 December 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Tom Brake. The answering members were Liam Byrne and Matt Hancock.
Motion that this House has considered Russian interference in UK politics and society. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

633 cc1323-1357 

Session

2017-19

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

John Bercow | 633 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

A considerable number of Members wish to speak in this debate. There will be three Front-Bench sp...

Tom Brake | 633 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered Russian interference in UK politics and socie...


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Lord Spellar | 633 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman referred to this interference as having taken place over the last decade...

Tom Brake | 633 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

As I said earlier, I only have 15 minutes in which to contribute to the debate. Although I agree ...

Julian Knight | 633 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on leading this debate. Does he agree that part of the re...

Tom Brake | 633 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman probably expects, I will discuss Facebook shortly, including some negative ...

Liam Byrne | 633 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is making a brilliant point, but has he noticed that the American nation...

Tom Brake | 633 cc1325-6 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good point, which I will come back to. The Minister now has advance notice that he...

Jo Swinson | 633 c1326 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my right hon. Friend on securing the debate. We are not talking just about a few T...

Tom Brake | 633 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. I do not know whether she has, but I have engaged in exchan...

Liam Byrne | 633 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Americans looked at 47 accounts, which were all provided to the Mueller inquiry by in...

Tom Brake | 633 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention. That is another aspect of this issue that...

Pat McFadden | 633 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the right hon. Gentleman, and I ask him to emphasise the point about the resources t...

Tom Brake | 633 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

My short answer is, no, I do not think it is. Clearly, that needs to be acted on. It is not just ...

Lord Spellar | 633 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

Until we get a change in mindset among these bodies, additional resources will not have the neces...

Tom Brake | 633 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that. Yes, this debate is partly about giving them the will ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 633 cc1328-9 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As Mr Speaker said, there are a number of colleagues wishing to contribute to this debate ...

Damian Collins | 633 cc1329-1330 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake), and I...

Damian Collins | 633 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is exactly right. It must be able to understand how to target users with informati...

Liam Byrne | 633 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Facebook’s last quarterly profits were nearly $4 billion. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it c...

Damian Collins | 633 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. I noticed on a recent investor call that Mark Zuckerberg warned Facebook inve...

Tom Tugendhat | 633 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Sadly, my hon. Friend was not at this week’s Joint Committee on the National Security Strategy, w...

Damian Collins | 633 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. It must be a major priority. We have to realise that Russia is engaged in a multi-lay...

Wera Hobhouse | 633 c1331 (Link to this contribution)

I grew up in cold war Germany. As I have said, these things have been going for decades. When our...

Damian Collins | 633 c1331 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. People must see it as a real threat.

It is not enough for the tech companies ju...

Ben Bradshaw | 633 cc1331-3 (Link to this contribution)

It gives me enormous pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Damian Collins)...

Edward Leigh | 633 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

We are coming up to Christmas, one of the great feasts of the Christian year that marks the birth...

Lord Spellar | 633 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Edward Leigh | 633 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

I am about to deal with the evidence, but of course I will give way.

Lord Spellar | 633 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

Did not the head of the Federal Security Service say only this week that it sees itself as the sp...

Edward Leigh | 633 cc1333-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am not seeking to defend the Putin regime. There is much in Russia that is not perfect. I was a...

Damian Collins | 633 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

I am familiar with the study that my hon. Friend is referring to, but I would just say that it is...

Edward Leigh | 633 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Chairman of the Select Committee, and of course we must keep a sense of prop...

Edward Leigh | 633 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way; I have got to finish now. The paranoid tendency to see a red under every bed...

Wera Hobhouse | 633 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Edward Leigh | 633 cc1334-5 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way to the hon. Lady. Russia is that excuse today. Perhaps the reality is tha...

Mike Gapes | 633 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

There has always been, on the left of British politics, a group of useful idiots for authoritaria...

Wera Hobhouse | 633 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being generous in giving way. I really believe it is important to be aware ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 633 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

Order. When the hon. Lady makes an intervention, she needs to be brief, because there is a lot of...

Mike Gapes | 633 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, absolutely. There is an idea that there was a fantastic, miraculous transformation in 1989-9...

Bernard Jenkin | 633 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake) on securing this d...

Lord Spellar | 633 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Bernard Jenkin | 633 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

I am very reluctant to take up extra time, but I will briefly give way.

Lord Spellar | 633 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman clearly does not understand that Russia, all the way through, has a full-spect...

Bernard Jenkin | 633 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the right hon. Gentleman, but the fact is that today’s Russia is a shadow...

Bob Seely | 633 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

There is one important difference: although Russia’s conventional weaponry has been somewhat holl...

Bernard Jenkin | 633 cc1337-8 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely concur what my hon. Friend says—I do not want to diminish it at all—but we need to k...

Phil Wilson | 633 cc1338-1340 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake) on securing this i...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 633 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Due to the large number of interventions that colleagues have taken, which always has impl...

Julian Lewis | 633 cc1340-1 (Link to this contribution)

In the light of what you have said, Madam Deputy Speaker, I will not take any interventions.

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Julian Lewis | 633 c1341 (Link to this contribution)

I said that I would not give way, and I am afraid that I will not out of consideration for others...

Chris Bryant | 633 cc1341-2 (Link to this contribution)

I admire the right hon. Member for New Forest East (Dr Lewis) and he said some good things, but u...

Julian Knight | 633 cc1342-3 (Link to this contribution)

I concur with many of the speeches we have heard today. I believe this is a major threat to our d...

Paul Flynn | 633 cc1343-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is unfortunate that the Chairman of the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Commi...

Bob Seely | 633 cc1344-5 (Link to this contribution)

I should put on record that I have been doing some academic research on Russian conventional and ...

Jim Shannon | 633 cc1345-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake) for raising this issue to...

Stephen Gethins | 633 cc1346-8 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a fascinating debate and this is an opportune time for it; I thank the right hon. M...

Mike Gapes | 633 c1348 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has referred to the Select Committee on Foreign Affairs inquiry. He will also ...

Stephen Gethins | 633 cc1348-9 (Link to this contribution)

As always, the hon. Gentleman has a fine recollection of the facts and makes an excellent point.<...

Liam Byrne | 633 cc1349-1350 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake) on securing this i...

Bob Seely | 633 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Liam Byrne | 633 cc1350-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, because of the lack of time.

That takes us to the heart of the reform ...

Liam Byrne | 633 cc1351-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way.

There is now a motive, a means and a method for Russia to intervene in...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1352 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for this opportunity to speak today, and I thank the right hon. Member for Carshalt...

Chris Bryant | 633 c1352 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, because there is an interesting divergence between ...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1352 (Link to this contribution)

We have seen no evidence of interference that has successfully affected democratic outcomes in th...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1352 (Link to this contribution)

In a political process, success would potentially involve changing the result of that political p...

Julian Knight | 633 c1352 (Link to this contribution)

Part of the reason we are finding it so difficult to establish the impact is the lack of informat...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, and I will come on to express that in some pretty firm terms later in my speech. The ...

Damian Collins | 633 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

Aside from the evidence that has been published out of the American inquiry, do the Government ha...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

As several Members pointed out in the debate, there is already evidence of activity in the public...

Bernard Jenkin | 633 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, question the criteria for success, because there is evidence of success in that it is pro...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that important point in relation to the cyber-attacks.

As the Prime Minis...

Liam Byrne | 633 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

If there was no evidence of successful intervention, was there evidence of unsuccessful intervent...

Matt Hancock | 633 cc1353-4 (Link to this contribution)

Some evidence has already been declared, such as Facebook’s declaration that there had been some ...

Stephen Gethins | 633 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his generosity in giving way. On that productive relationship and cultur...

Matt Hancock | 633 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we support the British Council. The hon. Gentleman made a good speech, but I felt sligh...

Stephen Gethins | 633 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

I did not want to intervene again, but I feel obliged to do so. The Minister refers to a former M...

Matt Hancock | 633 cc1354-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is wholly inappropriate to appear on RT, and I certainly would not do so myself, but the SNP n...

Tom Brake | 633 c1356 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his tough words about the social media companies, but we also need to en...

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