Wales Bill
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Wednesday, 24 February 2016
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Proceeding contributions
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
We are here today to debate the Wal...
On a point of clarity, will the Secretary of State make it absolutely clear to the House whether ...
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I am happy to give that clarification. Matters of elections, which I will come to in further deta...
Will the Secretary of State concede that a third possible point of principle would be proper subs...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his question, and I hope we can cover some of those point...
The Secretary of State just mentioned Welsh income tax rates. What guarantees is he going to give...
The right hon. Gentleman will recognise the funding floor introduced by my right hon. Friend the ...
I wish to draw the Secretary of State’s attention to the comments of his colleague the Secretary ...
I am somewhat disappointed by the tone the hon. Gentleman is taking. We have developed the Bill t...
In February, the Secretary of State’s predecessor said:
“A lot of the criticism of the draf...
It is right to say that part of the criticism was certainly ill informed and will have been wrong...
The Bill contains welcome new powers for the Assembly on energy projects, but they are limited to...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his long-standing interest in these matters. I would poin...
Further to that point, though, does my right hon. Friend agree that in respect of wind generation...
The powers in the Bill will be limited to a capacity of 350 MW, as I have stated.
There can...
The Secretary of State referred a moment ago to some of the new powers, but of course some powers...
I will talk about the devolution of powers relating to water a bit later on. The hon. Gentleman w...
My right hon. Friend mentioned what will effectively be the incorporation of the Sewel convention...
The basis of this clause has been drawn from the Scotland Act. It would be a matter for the court...
Will the working group be looking at the justice impact assessments mentioned in the Bill, and wi...
The terms of reference for the working group have been published, and I would expect it to report...
This is the key point in relation to these new impacts. Who is going to be making the assessments...
It is a matter for Assembly Members, and the requirement is that the Standing Orders include a re...
The Minister is talking about extra powers and what is transferring across. What is he doing to h...
The hon. Gentleman raises an extremely important point. The intention of this Bill is to provide ...
Does the Secretary of State agree that one of the other reasons why clarity is so important is so...
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right about that, and this is the function of many of the clause...
Will the grid connections be devolved as well? For the larger projects, many of the planning cons...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his question. The purpose of the Bill is to give that one...
What is the position where an overhead power line goes through England and Wales? I am talking no...
That relates to the discussions with the National Grid, which, quite obviously, has an interest i...
Further to the point raised by the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Albert Owen), is it the case that th...
My right hon. Friend has expert knowledge. Obviously, he has some detailed understanding of this ...
I wish to make a little more progress, then I will happily give way to a number of colleagues.
I have intervened on the Secretary of State twice, and this will be the last time. On transport m...
Discussions are ongoing between the Department for Transport, the Wales Office and the Welsh Gove...
The Secretary of State said that he would get to this point, but he has not answered my question,...
I am happy to clarify that matter. The Bill gives provision for who votes rather than for compuls...
Will the Secretary of State clarify—I should possibly know the answer to this—on what the tax is ...
It is residence in Wales. There will be further technical issues that we will want to clarify in ...
Personally, I am very disappointed that, in this clause, we have broken a manifesto commitment. I...
I have two points to make in response. First, it was the Wales Act 2014 that devolved tax-varying...
To develop the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Brecon and Radnorshire (Chris Davies),...
My right hon. Friend played a significant part in the development of legislation relating to Wale...
I am greatly enjoying the right hon. Gentleman’s speech, but has his enthusiasm for referendums b...
The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. It is fair to say that many of us might have refer...
It is said that devolution is a process, not an event, a journey rather than a destination, and t...
My hon. Friend will remember from the Welsh Grand Committee debate on 3 February that the right h...
Indeed, it was laughable at times when he noticed things to which we assumed he had already given...
What concerns me about the devolution of powers to the Assembly on elections is that 16-year-olds...
Indeed. As a long-time supporter of votes at 16, which is now Labour policy, I share my hon. Frie...
Does the shadow Secretary of State accept that the new electoral legislation might enable a Welsh...
The Secretary of State has told us that he will clarify that, so we will know whether that will b...
The shadow Secretary of State for Wales will be aware of the comments of the shadow Secretary of ...
It comes as no surprise that an intervention from the hon. Gentleman focuses on his party’s deter...
The hon. Lady mentions what she sees as the need for the Assembly to consent to the devolution of...
We have moved on since the last Wales Bill, but it is vital that there is a mechanism to establis...
I begin by thanking all the members of the Welsh Affairs Committee who took part in the pre-legis...
I am listening to the hon. Gentleman’s speech carefully. I commend to him the work of the all-par...
I had to think hard about this, but I think it was the hon. Gentleman himself who, during the dis...
As someone whom my hon. Friend cajoled into becoming a member of the Welsh Affairs Committee unde...
This certainly came through rather late in the day, and I think we made it clear in our report th...
Does the hon. Gentleman think that the evidence of the momentum of Welsh opinion is enough for us...
I have to admit that it is certainly evidence that the public have accepted the Welsh Assembly an...
I congratulate the hon. Member for Monmouth (David T. C. Davies) on his speech. I agree with him ...
Does my hon. Friend agree that at the conclusion of the passage of the Bill and after the EU refe...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes a very important point. There has to be a time limit i...
I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on the work that he has been doing on this matter in Ynys Môn, ...
In the past couple of years we have highlighted the importance of giving the energy regulator mor...
Does my hon. Friend agree that the result of a referendum that asked the question, “Do you want t...
I understand what my hon. Friend is saying, but he is a democrat, like me.
Up to a point.
Well, I am a total democrat by comparison with my hon. Friend. The tax-varying powers that the Sc...
Will the hon. Gentleman concede, however, that framing a proper and understandable question that ...
I have not thought of the wording, but I agree with the hon. Gentleman that democracy is difficul...
I give way to the Secretary of State. I realise that I have taken up more time than I wanted to.<...
The hon. Gentleman is making a considered speech. I have had further information since the earlie...
That is excellent news, and it is on the record. It is a victory for the three of us on the Labou...
I am sure the Secretary of State is going to reconsider his considered view.
I just want to underline the fact that it perhaps provides even more justification for the justic...
It is the Secretary of State’s job, with his extra responsibilities and wages, to decide on the d...
I congratulate the Secretary of State on introducing the Bill. I have to say, however, that that ...
I hesitate to accuse the right hon. Gentleman of scaremongering, but the pace of development of r...
That is not the point that I am addressing, which is about competence. Given that the upper limit...
The right hon. Gentleman is being generous with his time. I have two TAN 8—technical advice note ...
That may be the case, but I say with huge respect that I think the hon. Gentleman is missing the ...
Congratulations to the Government on the improvements to what was an ugly draft Bill. We have bef...
Would the hon. Gentleman therefore like to dissociate himself from suggestions that voting for in...
If the hon. Gentleman reads his local paper, he will find that I did precisely that the other day...
Order. While I am certainly enjoying the hon. Gentleman’s speech, the House would appreciate it i...
The point is, of course, that the Bill covers how we deal with income tax. I challenge anyone to ...
The hon. Gentleman is making a great speech,
as ever. It st...
I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman. In 1953 I took part in a march in Cardiff in which I ca...
The point the hon. Gentleman has just made illustrates the fact that when people are free from me...
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. As my hon. Friend the Member for Ynys Môn said, let us no...
Just to take the hon. Gentleman back a little and pick up one point, the Welsh language is being ...
At business questions last week that was emphatically turned down by the Leader of the House. I h...
The hon. Gentleman is making some very valid points. Does he agree that the huge investment by en...
Absolutely. It is the untapped resource. I know that there are objections to various other forms ...
The hon. Gentleman is making a very good point. Does he find it telling that in my constituency t...
It is a great shame. The Rheidol station is of that order, at 45 MW. The stations exist. They enh...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Newport West (Paul Flynn). I begin by thanking my ...
I hear what the hon. Gentleman says about scrutiny in both this House and the Assembly. I chaired...
That is a difficult question to answer. Should we increase the number of Assembly Members, partic...
Is it not right that we should be debating this? The whole point about devolving electoral arrang...
I agree with my hon. Friend, who makes a very good point.
This is what concerns me regardin...
It is a pleasure to have the opportunity to speak, Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Bill is the la...
The Chair of the Welsh Affairs Committee is no longer in the Chamber, but I should like to thank ...
How comfortable is my hon. Friend about being asked to break a manifesto commitment?
Well, the world moves on. I cannot say that I am ever terribly comfortable about breaking a manif...
My hon. Friend stated that his constituents are unhappy with what has already gone on under the W...
I thank my hon. Friend for making one of his classic interventions. I touched on this when I spok...
I was talking about the fact that we need certainty now in the constitutional settlement. I would...
I accept that point, but I hope the hon. Gentleman sees where I am coming from. Complacency sinks...
The short answer is that I am sure the head of the law department at Aberystwyth would enjoy teac...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. We debated this matter in the Select Committee ...
But surely the hon. Gentleman would acknowledge that the creation of the working group that the G...
I am going to touch on something that the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Albert Owen) said. I agree th...
In that case, does the hon. Gentleman agree that the findings of the working group will be extrem...
Being a new Member of Parliament, I am guessing that that will fit into the timetable of the Bill...
After the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, the Prime Minister promised the people of Wal...
There might be a reason for that, and I am sure that the Secretary of State will enlighten us.
On the list of reservations, simply measuring something according to the number of pages is not n...
I am grateful for that point, which we have discussed before, and I have said that the number of ...
Going back to the intervention by the Secretary of State, does not the fact that the number of pa...
No doubt that is something that we will debate. I relish the opportunity to discuss the reservati...
The hon. Gentleman is making a very good speech. He talks about the need to analyse each and ever...
I am not sure. I am in two minds about that. If we have full days of debate, that might indeed be...
The hon. Gentleman referred to the Silk commission. Does he not accept that the 350 MW was a reco...
We have moved on from the Silk commission, and we are now looking at this issue—[Interruption.] I...
It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Arfon (Hywel Williams). Even though I did n...
The hon. Gentleman is making some powerful points based on his principles as a politician. Does t...
I thank my parliamentary neighbour for his intervention. As far as I am aware, there will be no v...
The points that the hon. Gentleman raises are about Government decisions, as opposed to decisions...
I think the question to ask is how many will be above that level if we have Welsh devolution on t...
I am afraid I must insist that the hon. Gentleman says that it is the Government doing that, rath...
The hon. Gentleman is quite right, and I stated that earlier in my speech. However, there is coll...
I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on reading his party’s manifesto, which was a brave step. But s...
As much as it saddens me, I actually quite agree with the hon. Gentleman. The record so far sugge...
To follow on from the point that the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Albert Owen) made, devolution to l...
My hon. Friend makes an absolutely valid point. My theme is the centralisation of government in C...
I will just say in relation to the intervention by the hon. Member for Montgomeryshire (Glyn Davi...
The hon. Gentleman said the important thing, which was not said by the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (...
I am grateful for the opportunity to say a few words, not least after that tour de force by my ne...
It always amazes me that the Liberal Democrats—I have the greatest respect for the hon. Gentleman...
The hon. Gentleman makes a historical interpretation. I use the phrase “home rule” in the context...
Will the hon. Gentleman spill the beans today and tell us who the biggest culprits were in raisin...
The hon. Gentleman, who is my parliamentary neighbour, will not expect me to answer that question...
I am sure that the Secretary of the State and the Minister will be overjoyed to hear that the Lib...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Reference is made to it in the Bill, which shou...
It is a pleasure to follow my friend and neighbour the hon. Member for Ceredigion (Mr Williams), ...
Had the hon. Gentleman been here during last night’s debate, he would know that I support the dev...
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Are you intervening on me or on the hon. Gentleman? Go on!
I thought it might be helpful, before my hon. Friend replied to the Plaid Cymru intervention, to ...
I thank my hon. Friend; that is exactly what I was going to say.
I also want to touch on th...
Diolch yn fawr iawn, Madam Dirprwy Lefarydd. Am fod yn bowld, fe gymeraf y cyfle i ddweud rhyw fr...
Does the hon. Lady accept that a justice impact assessment is a sensible thing for any mature leg...
I note first of all that the impact assessments are compulsory in that they would be compulsory i...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Dwyfor Meirionnydd (Liz Saville Roberts) as anothe...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Torfaen (Nick Thomas-Symonds). I do not always agr...
Which of the three ends of the Severn bridges that are in England does the hon. Gentleman feel ar...
I am grateful for that point, which is always used by the hon. Member for Monmouth (David T. C. D...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I will refer to the Secretary of State’s earlier points and let him intervene following that.
...Let me politely reassure the hon. Gentleman that the justice impact assessments are in absolutely...
I am extremely grateful for that intervention by the Secretary of State. His point about the Wrex...
The hon. Gentleman has drawn up a long wish list of things that he wants to be properly devolved....
I am extremely surprised by that intervention, because the hon. Gentleman voted for those powers ...
The hon. Gentleman and I are good friends. He is a fine cricketer, but he is also a naughty boy. ...
I will take that intervention in the spirit in which it was intended. Those powers now reside in ...
Earlier the hon. Gentleman referred to something similar to what I believe in, which is a confede...
As I said when I made those remarks, I always try to be helpful in my politics. My party’s positi...
I have made that clear in my contribution. However, if I was a Unionist such as the hon. Gentlema...
It is a pleasure to follow my constituency neighbour, the hon. Member for Carmarthen East and Din...
It is a pleasure to speak in this important debate on the next stage of Welsh devolution. We have...
I think Owain Glyndwr lived a significant part of his life in my constituency of Montgomeryshire—...
Boundary changes are upon us, so who knows what might happen.
Yes, I am sure he did.
Since the establishment of devolution, the Assembly has gained full ...
It is a pleasure to close today’s debate and to follow the hon. Member for Clwyd South (Susan Ela...
The Minister referred to the first edition of the “Encyclopaedia Britannica”, which said, “For Wa...
As some Members have said, successive Secretaries of State have highlighted the fact that the lat...
On air passenger duty, Bristol airport lies just outside my constituency of Bristol South, in whi...
Air passenger duty has been raised during the debate, and the fact that we are not proposing to d...
Does the Minister not therefore agree that it would be far easier to achieve those aims of accoun...
Once again the hon. Gentleman is putting ideology ahead of practicality. There is a significant d...
Does the Minister accept that it was in our 2010 manifesto? It was actually our Secretary of Stat...
A number of Members have asked about the timing in relation to the Justice in Wales working group...
In my view, it is unlikely that the report will be produced before the Committee stage, but it is...